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Cornish Jack 4th Jul 2022 18:17


Originally Posted by kghjfg (Post 11256226)
Itís not a laughing matter, I agree with you, I donít think there are/will be any benefits.

In a post above mine it said we should have another referendum in 3 years.

I donít even believe weíll be out in 3 years, let alone start begging to be let back in.

all the old people that voted to come out will be dead in 3 years.

Theyíve shafted them rest of us, and theyíre proud of it
.

It really is not helpful to add to the lies, which propelled Brexit into being, by adding to them with generalisations of that sort. Quite possibly there was a preponderance of the elderly - because they use their votes. It is also the case that they dislike change, and EU membership had been established for more than a generation. Finally, I have seen pro-Brexiteers, claiming its non-existent virtues, who were in their 20s and 30s. I write as an 86 year old unreconstructable remainer !!

Una Due Tfc 4th Jul 2022 21:47

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/...d-ni-protocol/

The Chinese pointing out some the UK Government’s hypocrisy. Unfortunately they have a point. Of all the current political leaders currently in office, few are as ill suited as Bojo to be crowing about dishonesty and breaking agreements.

kghjfg 4th Jul 2022 23:55


Originally Posted by Cornish Jack (Post 11256239)
It really is not helpful to add to the lies, which propelled Brexit into being, by adding to them with generalisations of that sort. Quite possibly there was a preponderance of the elderly - because they use their votes. It is also the case that they dislike change, and EU membership had been established for more than a generation. Finally, I have seen pro-Brexiteers, claiming its non-existent virtues, who were in their 20s and 30s. I write as an 86 year old unreconstructable remainer !!

Sadly the only Brexiteers I personally know are in their 80s.

One is my my own mother, who now complains that she cannot get a carer, as they’ve gone back to Poland.

Her and her Brexiteer friends are reaping their reward.

Don’t even get me started on my Mother in Law and her friends.


Effluent Man 5th Jul 2022 04:44

My 79 y/o brother and his wife are similarly Brexitards. I took them a parcel of French cheeses yesterday ( they were tucking in before I left) and they are unrepentant. According to them Brexit would have been a runaway success had it not been for French chicanery. They won't hear a word against Tubs. SiL insists that the current brouhaha is all the making of the left wing media, Mail, Express etc. All these things are made up to discredit our wonderful PM! To be fair I think she is losing a few marbles, he just kept on scoffing the Camembert.

Torquetalk 5th Jul 2022 07:10


Originally Posted by B Fraser (Post 11256235)
Au contraire, British banks have out-performed both France and Germany for the first time since 2015.

"For the first time since 2015, the UK banks in The Bankerís Top 1000 World Banks ranking have generated more profits than their French counterparts. The UK recorded $55.1 billion in aggregate pre-tax profits in 2021, compared to $54.8 billion for France and $13.9 billion for Germany.

UK lenders also posted a higher aggregate return-on-assets (ROA) ratio (0.50%) than French banks (0.37%), German banks (0.23%) and the European average (0.44%).

In addition, the UK was one of only seven of the 22 western European countries in the ranking that logged an improvement in its aggregate Tier 1 capital position, albeit by 0.94%. Overall, western Europe was the only region to record a drop in Tier 1 capital (3.6%), a key measure of banking strength, as the sector continues to struggle after the global financial crisis in 2008/9.

HSBC remains the only European bank in the top 10 for the 11th year running and is now the only lender that is not Chinese or American, following Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Groupís drop to 12th position. HSBC fell one position to ninth, resulting from a 2.4% contraction in its Tier 1 capital, to $156.29 billion."

UK banks generate more profits than French rivals - (thebanker.com)

Ah yes, the banks. Those well-known UK wealth generators. Where would we be without them? Perhaps in a world of building societies, less speculative and greedy property hogging, much less personal debt...

I don't think the performance of the banks has any tanglible bearing on the lives of most UK citizens. And the indirect benefits can be counted on the fingers of one foot. They are not British institutions that enjoy an appreciative collective national pride.

Grayfly 5th Jul 2022 07:17


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 11256415)
My 79 y/o brother and his wife are similarly Brexitards. I took them a parcel of French cheeses yesterday ( they were tucking in before I left) and they are unrepentant. According to them Brexit would have been a runaway success had it not been for French chicanery. They won't hear a word against Tubs. SiL insists that the current brouhaha is all the making of the left wing media, Mail, Express etc. All these things are made up to discredit our wonderful PM! To be fair I think she is losing a few marbles, he just kept on scoffing the Camembert.

Incredibly similar to a few of my close friends and it has been a struggle to keep the friendship. If only people like me and all the media would let BJ get on with his job all would be great. BJ can do no wrong and the ever present 'can't stand Starmer'.

Torquetalk 5th Jul 2022 07:30


Originally Posted by Grayfly (Post 11256457)
Incredibly similar to a few of my close friends and it has been a struggle to keep the friendship. If only people like me and all the media would let BJ get on with his job all would be great. BJ can do no wrong and the ever present 'can't stand Starmer'.

Similar phenomena to Trump. Brain switched off; filter in place: Lies and bad charachter don't matter. It's what he represents that matters - plucky bulldog, womanising, blagging, Oxbridge, man's man, woman's man, common touch, flawed, proper Brit, naysayer-quashing Boris. Who cares if he is a liar and has no integrity?

Right20deg 5th Jul 2022 07:44


Originally Posted by Torquetalk (Post 11256466)
Similar phenomena to Trump. Brain switched off; filter in place: Lies and bad charachter don't matter. It's what he represents that matters - plucky bulldog, womanising, blagging, Oxbridge, man's man, woman's man, common touch, flawed, proper Brit, naysayer-quashing Boris. Who cares if he is a liar and has no integrity?

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You know fine well that politics is all about representation and presentation. So many different ways to do that, are there not?
Are you happy to meet with the PM and call him a liar to his face ? Or, in the court room?

B Fraser 5th Jul 2022 07:47


Originally Posted by Torquetalk (Post 11256454)
Ah yes, the banks. Those well-known UK wealth generators. Where would we be without them? Perhaps in a world of building societies, less speculative and greedy property hogging, much less personal debt...

I don't think the performance of the banks has any tanglible bearing on the lives of most UK citizens. And the indirect benefits can be counted on the fingers of one foot. They are not British institutions that enjoy an appreciative collective national pride.

Yes, the finance sector which was predicted to implode the moment we voted leave. Where would we be without banks, well I suggest you try it. How would you or your offspring get a mortgage, a car or a credit card ? Are you proposing walking around with a coat stuffed full of cash or bartering with twigs ? Leaving aside the 1.1 million people directly employed by the banking sector, I presume you have some form of pension. Who invests those funds ? How do those companies in which your funds invest, trade ? Are they totally reliant on the banks ? I think they probably are. Had the UK banking sector fallen behind, we would never hear the end of it. Instead, we're doing rather well.

Are there any other sectors that you wish to deride ?

Torquetalk 5th Jul 2022 07:52


Originally Posted by Right20deg (Post 11256474)
____________________________________
You know fine well that politics is all about representation and presentation. So many different ways to do that, are there not?
Are you happy to meet with the PM and call him a liar to his face ? Or, in the court room?

Well no surprise that you dismiss the concerns about the PM's charachter. As I said, filter off, let Bojo/Trump press my buttons/yank my chain.

I didn't add to the list that he is also a crap and inconsistent policy maker, who is making a slow train crash out of the UK.

He's no good; wake tfu

Krystal n chips 5th Jul 2022 08:08

Given there has been a long established and credible list of those who have had the misfortune to know Boris, and subsequently profiled him perfectly, the words amoral, lying narcissus feature regularly in this respect, then it's perfectly acceptable for residents of the real world to reiterate these terms.

Finance and "success " gets a mention.

Feel free to define "success " and correlate with an expanding trade deficit.....see also the internal link re how HMRC have changed their collection methods ....and the unfortunate discrepancy ...

Balance of payments, UK - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

Mr Mac 5th Jul 2022 08:17


Originally Posted by B Fraser (Post 11256476)
Yes, the finance sector which was predicted to implode the moment we voted leave. Where would we be without banks, well I suggest you try it. How would you or your offspring get a mortgage, a car or a credit card ? Are you proposing walking around with a coat stuffed full of cash or bartering with twigs ? Leaving aside the 1.1 million people directly employed by the banking sector, I presume you have some form of pension. Who invests those funds ? How do those companies in which your funds invest, trade ? Are they totally reliant on the banks ? I think they probably are. Had the UK banking sector fallen behind, we would never hear the end of it. Instead, we're doing rather well.

Are there any other sectors that you wish to deride ?

B Fraser
I am not sure British Banks are that good for British industry in my experience with them over the last 20 years, and especially in 2008 debacle. Tellingly when we decamped from the UK British banks were not our first choice, and we moved to a Swedish bank who have done very well by us, and we do not feel we have been taken for a ride, unlike the ride we were taken on by HSBC and Barclays. So as far as I am concerned you can keep your banking sector, as I am not sure in a UK sense it is good for UK industry but on a foreign currency earner it is lucrative.

Cheers
Mr Mac

Torquetalk 5th Jul 2022 08:26


Originally Posted by B Fraser (Post 11256476)
Yes, the finance sector which was predicted to implode the moment we voted leave. Where would we be without banks, well I suggest you try it. How would you or your offspring get a mortgage, a car or a credit card ? Are you proposing walking around with a coat stuffed full of cash or bartering with twigs ? Leaving aside the 1.1 million people directly employed by the banking sector, I presume you have some form of pension. Who invests those funds ? How do those companies in which your funds invest, trade ? Are they totally reliant on the banks ? I think they probably are. Had the UK banking sector fallen behind, we would never hear the end of it. Instead, we're doing rather well.

Are there any other sectors that you wish to deride ?

Banking is in itself a vital resource. How it is organised and executed varies. UK banks are greedy and exploitative and were a destabilising fator in the run up to 2008. They had to be rescued with public money because they had extremely poor risk gatekeeping. Lisitng the useful functions that they provide does not replace that public knowledge.

I might add that I have been legally robbed of pension contributions by a poorly regulated UK financial sector. As have many other Britons. And it still goes on! Ah the green pastures of greed.

[email protected] 5th Jul 2022 08:29

Deregulation of the banking sector caused the 2008 crash and further deregulation of that sector in UK will make money for the richest and eventually leave the poorest to bail them out again when another of their 'gambles' falls flat on its face.

There is no 'trickle-down' from the banking sector to the masses, just big salaries and bigger bonuses for a select few (much like Rees-Mogg with his hedge funds).

Look at the rest of the UKs industry and show who has benefitted from Brexit.

Who voted for Brexit and got shafted? Farmers and fishermen to name but 2 groups...

redsnail 5th Jul 2022 08:40

Brexit has cost me about £1000 in getting my UK licence back. Thanks Shapp for taking us out of EASA.
Also countless times of frustration explaining to Border Force of various countries that I don't need my passport stamped as I am aircrew on duty.
Argh

Effluent Man 5th Jul 2022 08:43


Originally Posted by Right20deg (Post 11256474)
____________________________________
You know fine well that politics is all about representation and presentation. So many different ways to do that, are there not?
Are you happy to meet with the PM and call him a liar to his face ? Or, in the court room?

There is a legal defence called " Fair Comment". That would do nicely.

Grayfly 5th Jul 2022 08:51


Originally Posted by Right20deg (Post 11256474)
____________________________________
You know fine well that politics is all about representation and presentation. So many different ways to do that, are there not?
Are you happy to meet with the PM and call him a liar to his face ? Or, in the court room?

I don't know him, however, I get the impression he would be great to have on a night out on the town. Laughs all round, charming, interesting conversations etc. Great chap.

Totally unfit for office.

Cornish Jack 5th Jul 2022 09:31

Supporters, or, more properly, defenders, of the Lying Buffoon can be congratulated on their dogged persistence as can similar enthusiasts for the banking 'system'. Even a non-forensic examination of the LB's social history would justify the complaints made against him, never mind the plethora of instances of ignorance and incompetence in office. Were the acceptability of his policies and behaviour ever brought to judicial examination, it would not require the services of Mansfield or similar to expose the 'fault lines'. His abysmal records (plural !!) in office are such as to make it impossible to traduce him - the thought that even he would be stupid enough to test his character in a libel court, is beyond laughable ! :ugh:

Krystal n chips 5th Jul 2022 16:43

Don't tell me, let me guess....how about

" EU holds top British scientists to ransom ! " ...thankfully, the UK has, ostensibly, it's very own programme....albeit there's the tiny matter of funding of course...

EU scraps 115 grants for UK scientists and academics amid Brexit row | Brexit | The Guardian

LowNSlow 6th Jul 2022 10:53

KnC, that actually reads like an EU unilateral action rather than something the UK has initiated.

Project Horizon never stipulated that the research had to be done in an EU country so this sounds a bit off compared to the original, signed and agreed, package.



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