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Cornish Jack 1st Jul 2022 13:47

The full story gives the context which is a combination of fuel costs (bad but worldwide), greater inward investment (good), consumer demand (good) and a change in measurement techniques (neutral).
There you are, you see - you doubters and non-believers. ! How could you be so stupid as to believe the ramblings of such low grade rags as the Financial Times and the ignoramuses who waste their time on academic studies. All tosh and nonsense and you heard it here, first, courtesy of our resident expert on these (and sundry other) matters. So just sit up, sharpen up and pay attention - the uplands are just around the corner (and, of course, up the hill !) They never said it would be easy ... oh wait, sorry -- they actually did ! - but anyone can make a mistake and it's all over bar the crying - and there may be a lot of that to come ! :ugh:

[email protected] 1st Jul 2022 14:52


About as relevant as your point that us leaving the EU possibly contributed to Putin's decision to invade the Ukraine.
So you don't do geopolitics then, just EU-bashing.

There is no doubt that all countries are suffering from the present economic climate due to the war in Ukraine but we had already started the downward slide when we left the EU.

The argument - but they are as bad over there - is simply a deflection from the fact the Brexit has been, and will continue to be, a disaster for the UK.

The vote was carried on a wave of xenophobia and lies, stoked by the chief liar himself.

Ninthace 1st Jul 2022 15:10


Originally Posted by B Fraser (Post 11254634)
About as relevant as your point that us leaving the EU possibly contributed to Putin's decision to invade the Ukraine.

As far as economic suicide is concerned, you may wish to compare the rates of unemployment across the UK / EU region....... or perhaps not.

The apples would have to compared with oranges. Different countries account in different ways and there are quite a lot of economically inactive folk in the UK that are unemployed but are not seeking work so do not feature in the numbers.

You might also like to compare current and projected rates of inflation between France, Germany and the UK

Una Due Tfc 1st Jul 2022 15:25

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sk...eland-12642726

Reading in various sources the yanks are going stir crazy over Britain's behaviour regarding the protocol. It goes far deeper than Biden being fond of his Irish roots, as right leaning press like to imply in the UK.

The GFA and resulting peace on these islands is regarded as one of the United States' greatest international achievements in recent decades. I really think there's an underestimation of how seriously they're taking all this. Congress may actively block future agreements beyond just trade, why would they sign a deal with a country that might just tear it up a year after signing it?

Mr Mac 2nd Jul 2022 14:46


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11254670)
So you don't do geopolitics then, just EU-bashing.

There is no doubt that all countries are suffering from the present economic climate due to the war in Ukraine but we had already started the downward slide when we left the EU.

The argument - but they are as bad over there - is simply a deflection from the fact the Brexit has been, and will continue to be, a disaster for the UK.

The vote was carried on a wave of xenophobia and lies, stoked by the chief liar himself.

Also it appears that in their eagerness to get Brexit deal signed they UK govt forgot to get an exemption on currency fluctuation on the divorce bill which is going to add £9 billion to said bill. As I said in another thread this Govt could not run a corner shop.
Cheers
Mrr. Mac

Bergerie1 2nd Jul 2022 15:17

Una Due Tfc, Good question - why indeed?

Right20deg 4th Jul 2022 08:28

Help at last.... from ansar.org
"Andrew Neil....claimed the former prime minister is “already on manoeuvres” as he highlighted the Future of Britain event organised by the Tony Blair Institute earlier this week. Mr Neil said that the aim of the “convocation of Remainers” was to “begin the process of drawing up a new agenda for the centre and centre-Left” which would likely reopen the question of Brexit “somewhere down the road” despite Sir Tony’s insistence that it would not.
The journalist added that while the ex-Labour leader is “realistic enough” to know he can never return as prime minister, that “doesn’t mean he can’t once again play a pivotal role in British politics”.
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I was once told that the UK political pendulum swings very very slowly left - right - left right..etc, never pausing at the extremes of the swing and seldom hanging around in the middle.
Is that a fair description, I am not sure ?

B Fraser 4th Jul 2022 08:37

A fairly accurate description. There is the occasional hint of a cuckoo clock in the shape of the Corbynista, Lib Dem, SNP or Green contingents.

Anyhow, Starmer is ruling out any chance of rejoining under Labour. I guess that's the topic dead and buried unless anyone wants to carry on tilting at windmills. The utterances of the former middle east peace envoy (how did that go ?) are irrelevant.

Starmer to set out Labour’s Brexit policy, saying rejoining single market would ‘be recipe for more division’ – live (theguardian.com)

Krystal n chips 4th Jul 2022 09:07


Originally Posted by B Fraser (Post 11255885)
A fairly accurate description. There is the occasional hint of a cuckoo clock in the shape of the Corbynista, Lib Dem, SNP or Green contingents.

Anyhow, Starmer is ruling out any chance of rejoining under Labour. I guess that's the topic dead and buried unless anyone wants to carry on tilting at windmills. The utterances of the former middle east peace envoy (how did that go ?) are irrelevant.

Starmer to set out Labour’s Brexit policy, saying rejoining single market would ‘be recipe for more division’ – live (theguardian.com)

For the moment at least...how long this will last however as the damage to the UK continues to escalate remains to be seen. "Making Brexit work " is a logical approach...however, Boris and the vacuous Ms Truss seem to "think " otherwise so why not show the true Blighty spirit and continue to attack the EU for not complying with their own failings in the negotiations (euphemism)

The chances of Blair, other than in his own mind, having any sort of future political influence are limited to the extent of being non existent.

He did very well for his first term, and part of the second, and the UK should be grateful for the benefits his Gov't provided after the regime of the unlamented deceased....it was only when he decided to get involved with a war that was non of the UK's business....and yes, I did join the protests....that his standing declined.

Cornish Jack 4th Jul 2022 10:04

I was once told that the UK political pendulum swings very very slowly left - right - left right..etc, never pausing at the extremes of the swing and seldom handing around in the middle.
Is that a fair description, I am not sure ?
A fairly accurate description. There is the occasional hint of a cuckoo clock in the shape of the Corbynista, Lib Dem, SNP or Green contingents.


Blessed, as we undoubtedly are, by such deeply thought-through assessments, the British electorate would seem to be well and truly screwed !
Use your fought-for right to choose the Nation's governance, and you will be offered a limited choice of local representative. The value of that choice is decided by an unelected body, the deliberations of which can affect the result to the tune of 20 or more seats/MPs. As indicated by our analysts above, (now there's an interesting etymological example), much like the famous Henry Ford's dictum, you can have any Government you want as long as it is Tory or Labour !! This process, as we are constantly informed, is Democracy ... or put another way, Buggins turn next.
Should you not wish to worship at the altar of such as the Lying Buffoon or Starmer and Co, geography may offer you a choice of further candidates, but the machinations of the electoral 'system' will ensure that any such representatives will require anything up to 20 times more votes than their Tory or Labour equivalents. It is possible, of course that this imbalance is representative of the relative value of such candidates. We are truly blessed :ugh:

Avionker 4th Jul 2022 11:01


Originally Posted by Right20deg (Post 11255876)
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I was once told that the UK political pendulum swings very very slowly left - right - left right..etc, never pausing at the extremes of the swing and seldom hanging around in the middle.
Is that a fair description, I am not sure ?

It would be fairer to say that the English political pendulum swings left to right. Scotland has returned a majority of left wing MP’s for the last 70 or so years, Wales is hardly a Tory stronghold and NI is a rule into itself.

The divergence in Scottish and English politics has enabled the rise of the SNP, as opposed to the SNP causing the divergence. Something that many in Westminster ignore at their peril.

Sallyann1234 4th Jul 2022 11:19


Originally Posted by B Fraser (Post 11255885)
A fairly accurate description. There is the occasional hint of a cuckoo clock in the shape of the Corbynista, Lib Dem, SNP or Green contingents.

Anyhow, Starmer is ruling out any chance of rejoining under Labour. I guess that's the topic dead and buried unless anyone wants to carry on tilting at windmills. The utterances of the former middle east peace envoy (how did that go ?) are irrelevant.

Starmer to set out Labour’s Brexit policy, saying rejoining single market would ‘be recipe for more division’ – live (theguardian.com)

To undo the foolish mistake of Johnson's Brexit is about as unlikely as undoing the foolish mistake of Blair's war. We are stuck with the consequences of both, and have to live with both.

History will chart the break-up and decline of the no longer United Kingdom that started in 2016.

Gargleblaster 4th Jul 2022 11:47

In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU?
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...-leave-the-eu/

50% are saying wrong, 36% saying right, and the gap seems to be widening...

Perhaps another referendum might be held in 3 - 5 years time, join the EEA (like Norway, Iceland, etc.), yes or no ? Would naturally be preceded by months of nonsensical discussions about bananas.

Ninthace 4th Jul 2022 13:05

Pointless having another referendum. Given HMG's track record, the EU would have to be stark staring mad to let the UK, or what is left of it, back in,

kghjfg 4th Jul 2022 13:32

We’re not even properly out yet.
It’s going to take another 3 to 5 years to get out.

This is a pilots forum, anyone noticed the need to replace your EASA license with a UK license to fly a G reg light aircraft in the UK?

Clock is ticking till our EASA licenses don’t work!

What a mess.

[email protected] 4th Jul 2022 13:35

I think a complete change of UK Govt, away from the lying b'stards who took us out and keep trying to renege on agreements they made, might considerably soften how the EU view us.

Mr Mac 4th Jul 2022 16:11


Originally Posted by Gargleblaster (Post 11256010)
In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU?
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...-leave-the-eu/

50% are saying wrong, 36% saying right, and the gap seems to be widening...

Perhaps another referendum might be held in 3 - 5 years time, join the EEA (like Norway, Iceland, etc.), yes or no ? Would naturally be preceded by months of nonsensical discussions about bananas.

Gargelblaster
From those stats it would appear the remain number has remained steady but the Brexit vote has dropped very markedly or to be more precise jumped of a cliff. Obviously some people have woken up to the lies they were told on the bus, and indeed the oven ready deal which was anything but. I would suggest that % for Remain / Rejoin will get bigger as an older generation, which foisted this deal on the younger members of society, to be blunt die off. I am not sure it will be that long before we are negotiating for a Norway deal at the very least, given the elusive benefits we are all seeing in reality, rather than sun lit uplands out of the arse of JRM !

Cheers
Mr Mac

Mr Mac 4th Jul 2022 16:21


Originally Posted by kghjfg (Post 11256079)
We’re not even properly out yet.
It’s going to take another 3 to 5 years to get out.

This is a pilots forum, anyone noticed the need to replace your EASA license with a UK license to fly a G reg light aircraft in the UK?

Clock is ticking till our EASA licenses don’t work!

What a mess.

kghjfg
5 years until you see a benefit, are you having a laugh. I am not convinced there are any benefits yet, as none have been forthcoming, and nobody who voted for it on on here seems willing to say what they are despite being asked by many to name them, or even one (apart from the Black French made passport). Actually on that there will be a benefit to passport office as all this stamping of entry and exit will have the result of certain members of society having to buy passports with more pages. There you go a Brexit bonus, more money for the passport office and treasury I bet that will go down well with some.

Cheers
Mr Mac

kghjfg 4th Jul 2022 17:58


Originally Posted by Mr Mac (Post 11256164)
kghjfg
5 years until you see a benefit, are you having a laugh. I am not convinced there are any benefits yet, as none have been forthcoming, and nobody who voted for it on on here seems willing to say what they are despite being asked by many to name them, or even one (apart from the Black French made passport). Actually on that there will be a benefit to passport office as all this stamping of entry and exit will have the result of certain members of society having to buy passports with more pages. There you go a Brexit bonus, more money for the passport office and treasury I bet that will go down well with some.

Cheers
Mr Mac

It’s not a laughing matter, I agree with you, I don’t think there are/will be any benefits.

In a post above mine it said we should have another referendum in 3 years.

I don’t even believe we’ll be out in 3 years, let alone start begging to be let back in.

all the old people that voted to come out will be dead in 3 years.

They’ve shafted them rest of us, and they’re proud of it.

B Fraser 4th Jul 2022 18:10


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 11255987)
History will chart the break-up and decline of the no longer United Kingdom that started in 2016.

Au contraire, British banks have out-performed both France and Germany for the first time since 2015.

"For the first time since 2015, the UK banks in The Banker’s Top 1000 World Banks ranking have generated more profits than their French counterparts. The UK recorded $55.1 billion in aggregate pre-tax profits in 2021, compared to $54.8 billion for France and $13.9 billion for Germany.

UK lenders also posted a higher aggregate return-on-assets (ROA) ratio (0.50%) than French banks (0.37%), German banks (0.23%) and the European average (0.44%).

In addition, the UK was one of only seven of the 22 western European countries in the ranking that logged an improvement in its aggregate Tier 1 capital position, albeit by 0.94%. Overall, western Europe was the only region to record a drop in Tier 1 capital (3.6%), a key measure of banking strength, as the sector continues to struggle after the global financial crisis in 2008/9.

HSBC remains the only European bank in the top 10 for the 11th year running and is now the only lender that is not Chinese or American, following Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group’s drop to 12th position. HSBC fell one position to ninth, resulting from a 2.4% contraction in its Tier 1 capital, to $156.29 billion."

UK banks generate more profits than French rivals - (thebanker.com)


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