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back to Boeing 15th Jan 2022 16:38

preferably a war fought by other people on their behalf against other people somewhere far away.

PDR1 16th Jan 2022 09:31


Originally Posted by B Fraser (Post 11170295)
That suggests that you support the concept of one global court. The supreme world judge would probably rotate every few years so would you be comfortable with the concept of a dispute between say, Mexico and the USA being decided by a chap in Beijing, Istanbul or New Delhi ? Regardless of what you may think of an individual nation, they have the right of self-determination.

The funny thing about this view, commonly expressed amongst the Brexiters is that their core proposal is that we leave the EU and trade with the wold on WTO terms. And the WTO is an organisation which has a court to arbitrate in disputes. It's a rule of that court that the sitting judges cannot be from any of the parties in the dispute. So to avoid an apparently unacceptable situation where only one of the judges in an arbitration might be British they want to sign up to one where it is guaranteed that NONE of the judges would be british, which just goes to show that brexiters suffer delusions of sentience.

We (the UK) are members of many institutions and organisations which have supra-national tribunal mechanisms to interpret and resolve disputes over the underlying treaties. Brexiters are so fixated with their deeply-ingrained anglo-supremacist campaign to assert the subservient position of johnie foreigner that they don't even look at what they are proposing. Perhaps they were up too late at a working meeting at No10 and haven't yet sobered up.

Pathetic.

PDR

Sallyann1234 16th Jan 2022 09:56


Originally Posted by PDR1 (Post 11170677)
We (the UK) are members of many institutions and organisations which have supra-national tribunal mechanisms to interpret and resolve disputes over the underlying treaties. Brexiters are so fixated with their deeply-ingrained anglo-supremacist campaign to assert the subservient position of johnie foreigner that they don't even look at what they are proposing. Perhaps they were up too late at a working meeting at No10 and haven't yet sobered up.

Pathetic.

PDR

+ 1
And their leader, the man who "Got Brexit Done", is now seen by the world as the lying self-serving charlatan that he is. A laughing-stock who is hanging on by his fingertips. The sooner he creeps away, the better.


SWBKCB 16th Jan 2022 10:00


Originally Posted by PDR1 (Post 11170677)

We (the UK) are members of many institutions and organisations which have supra-national tribunal mechanisms to interpret and resolve disputes over the underlying treaties.

PDR

But the scope of these bodies isn't as wide as the ECJ's

Ninthace 16th Jan 2022 10:58


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11170692)
But the scope of these bodies isn't as wide as the ECJ's

Not sure that us really relevant as an argument. If there is a body to rule on a particular dispute between parties, how does it matter if that same body is empowered to rule on other disputes on different matters?

Just a spotter 21st Jan 2022 07:15

Tomorrow, 22nd January 2022, marks the 50th anniversary of the accession of Ireland, UK and Denmark to membership of the then EEC.

UK PM Ted Heath made a hopeful speech

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2019/083...joins-the-eec/

JAS

Cornish Jack 21st Jan 2022 10:09

Thank you, JAS - a timely reminder that there have been Tories who were capable of political vision NOT based on personal advancement, and aware of the need for greater universality rather than "Little Englishness". A prickly character and not one to forgive or forget but with a 'tee-shirt' earning involvement in the world beyond Whitehall, both military and, for relaxation, sailing and music. The more one makes comparisons, the shallower, meaner and less relevant the Buffoon's pretensions to high office become.

Effluent Man 22nd Jan 2022 05:54

Daily Excess: Remoaners celebrate fifteen mile lorry queues that can be seen from space! The latest Brexit Bonus.

Just a spotter 2nd Feb 2022 19:05

Poots orders halt to post-Brexit checks on goods from Britain to North
 
From The Irish Times, 2nd Feb 2022

The North’s Minister for Agriculture has ordered that post-Brexit checks at Northern Ireland’s ports are to be halted from midnight tonight.

Edwin Poots said he took the decision after he received legal advice on Wednesday which stated that “at present there is presently no Executive approval for SPS [sanitary and phyto-sanitary] checks.

The Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney said that such a move by Mr Poots would be “a breach of international law”.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...orth-1.4792047

Be interesting to see HMGov's reaction.

JAS

ATNotts 2nd Feb 2022 19:09

The reaction from Dublin and Brussels will be more interesting. Border controls at Dundalk is the least that the idiots in the DUP should expect.

Economics101 2nd Feb 2022 21:53

Well, HMG seems to be prepared top do nothing: https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022...443-ni-checks/
Has someone failed to tell them that they don't depend on the DUP for a Commons majority anymore?

Effluent Man 2nd Feb 2022 22:02

Dead Cat...Rather talk about that than gatherings.

Cornish Jack 2nd Feb 2022 22:19

Sort of dead cat, but on the basis of using Poots as a 'stooge' for taking the blame (well compensated, no doubt) for doing what the Brexiteers (who caused the mess) have been threatening to do , ever since they realised that the agreement they signed up to was rubbish ! :ugh:

Curious Pax 3rd Feb 2022 07:11


Originally Posted by Economics101 (Post 11178986)
Well, HMG seems to be prepared top do nothing: https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022...443-ni-checks/
Has someone failed to tell them that they don't depend on the DUP for a Commons majority anymore?

Word is that Truss quietly gave them ok to do it. As Mr Effluent says, another dead cat….

Assume they won’t object when Sturgeon starts doing Brexit things because it’s a matter for Scotland!

artee 3rd Feb 2022 07:53


Originally Posted by Curious Pax (Post 11179109)
Word is that Truss quietly gave them ok to do it. As Mr Effluent says, another dead cat….

Assume they won’t object when Sturgeon starts doing Brexit things because it’s a matter for Scotland!

It's probably the work of The Wizard of Oz (Lynton Crosby):

Wizard of Oz’: Tory MPs cheered by hopes of Lynton Crosby’s return

"...They also said the stream of coordinated announcements over the last few days bore the hallmarks of Crosby and his allies, particularly Johnson’s attempts to bind himself to his rivals for the leadership, Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss, with a joint op ed and planned trip to Ukraine respectively.

As Sue Gray’s report into the partygate scandal dropped on Monday, Johnson had already lined up competing policy statements with his commitment to continuing with the national insurance rise on Sunday, a visit to Ukraine to showcase his international credentials on Tuesday and his long-awaited levelling up white paper on Wednesday. Downing Street sources claimed these were all in the offing for some time and any timing alongside the Gray report was coincidental.

Crosby is also renowned for the “dead cat” strategy, where politicians try to change the national conversation from one scandal to another eye-catching talking point, however negative.

Although the strategist is not expected to begin his work with No 10 for some weeks, Johnson appeared to have adopted such a distraction tactic in the Commons on Monday, as he made a false claim that Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, failed to prosecute paedophile Jimmy Savile while director of public prosecutions. This then took up air time on Tuesday, even though the prime minister was being heavily criticised from some on his own side over the comments..."

Economics101 3rd Feb 2022 10:42

Poots said he has legal advice about ordering checks to cease. I wonder who his lawyer is - Rudy Giuliani?

Just a spotter 4th Feb 2022 12:43


Originally Posted by Economics101 (Post 11179205)
Poots said he has legal advice about ordering checks to cease. I wonder who his lawyer is - Rudy Giuliani?

From rte.ie, 4th Feb 2022

Belfast High Court orders NI agri-food checks must continue
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2022/...thern-ireland/

JAS

Ninthace 4th Feb 2022 14:15

You mean, even in NI, it is the judiciary that decide the law rather than politicians. Who knew?

Avionker 4th Feb 2022 17:26


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11179780)
You mean, even in NI, it is the judiciary that decide the law rather than politicians. Who knew?

The judiciary enforce the law that’s decided upon by politicians. When one politician decides that the law ,as it is, doesn’t suit them then we better pray that the judiciary has the power and the moral fortitude to say no.

Bergerie1 8th Feb 2022 15:41

Watch this excellent lecture by Professor Anand Menon on Brexit and its effect on the British political landscape:-



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