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ORAC 28th Jun 2021 19:51

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...t-for-business

EU rules UK data protection is ‘adequate’ in boost for business

British data protection standards are “adequate”, the EU has ruled in a long-awaited decision that lets digital information continue to flow between the UK and the bloc. But Brussels warned Boris Johnson’s governmentthe decision could be revoked “immediately”if it sees weakening UK standards.

Failure to get a positive decision would have risked plunging British businesses into disarray, leaving industries from banking to logistics scrambling to set up more costly, bureaucratic alternatives to share data.

The UK will retain “adequate” status for four years, but the commission warned that could be withdrawn at any time if UK law was no longer deemed to offer EU citizens protection over how their data was used…..

Under pressure from the European parliament, the commission put a four-year sunset clause on the adequacy decision, a safeguard applied to no other country, which reflects mistrust of the British government’s ability to protect EU citizens’ data.

Didier Reynders, the European commissioner in charge of data protection, said the adequacy decision could be withdrawn….

Only 12 countries, including Canada, Switzerland and New Zealand, have positive adequacy decisions from the EU. The US was deemed partially adequate, but these decisions have been thrown out twice by the European court of justice…..

Say again s l o w l y 28th Jun 2021 22:42


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11069799)
WTF I am now being called a racist because I am pointng out these people should have claimed asylum at the first country they arrived in free from persecution or as we are no longer part of it, the EU.
I have nothing against immigration, it's a good thing, but you need to have the right sort of imigrants such as those qualified with trades and jobs, otherwise you end up with a state crippled by the burden of supporting the unskilled. What I do have a problem with is illegal immigrants who should have claimed asylum in the countries where they were not under the threat of persecution.

I for one could never understand pre Brexit the haste to rush here, all they simply had to do was claim asylum in the likes of Germany etc and when accepted and given citizenship legally move here as part of the open borders.

No-one is calling you a racist. What I am doing is suggesting you have an opinion that may be described as "uninformed."

For a start, this idea that an asylum seeker has to stop at the first place is complete rubbish and goes against the treaties we are signed up to.

Immigrants tend to fulfil the roles that people don't want to do, where we have a labour shortage now is at all levels. We cannot attract Dr's etc anymore, but neither can we find people to pick fruit or do a host of other tasks that need to be done.

Your position is one of ignorance on the reality of he benefits of immigration. Don't feel too bad though, most people in the UK believe the same and that is perpetuated by large swathes of the press and political class who like to use it to wind up the terminally gullible.

Krystal n chips 29th Jun 2021 05:41

As predicted, and with the Mail to the forefront. The Mirror comes a close second.

Newspaper headlines: Javid's 'freedom fight' and PM 'rewrites history' - BBC News

Far more pertinent, thanks to "getting Brexit done ! " is this shortage. Getting rid of, and actively discouraging EU foreigners from blighting our shores appeals to many, until reality arrives that is. Reality may be coming very soon chaps, in case you were wondering.

However, as previously mentioned, the RHA and hauliers / distributors are far from blameless here, something they quietly ignore mentioning in their alarmist outpourings, having been more than happy to ignore drivers T's and C's along with overall working conditions and lack of training for many years

Lorry driver shortage: UK government and retailers in emergency talks | Food & drink industry | The Guardian

SWBKCB 29th Jun 2021 06:10


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips (Post 11070128)
As predicted, and with the Mail to the forefront. The Mirror comes a close second.

Newspaper headlines: Javid's 'freedom fight' and PM 'rewrites history' - BBC News

Far more pertinent, thanks to "getting Brexit done ! " is this shortage. Getting rid of, and actively discouraging EU foreigners from blighting our shores appeals to many, until reality arrives that is. Reality may be coming very soon chaps, in case you were wondering.

However, as previously mentioned, the RHA and hauliers / distributors are far from blameless here, something they quietly ignore mentioning in their alarmist outpourings, having been more than happy to ignore drivers T's and C's along with overall working conditions and lack of training for many years

Lorry driver shortage: UK government and retailers in emergency talks | Food & drink industry | The Guardian

Yes - freedom of movement has suppressed wages and T&C's for many over the years.

ATNotts 29th Jun 2021 06:23


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11070140)
Yes - freedom of movement has suppressed wages and T&C's for many over the years.

T&Cs are what they are in UK due to government policy.

Talk to people in the logistics sector and you will find that pay for LGV1 drivers aren't low, problem is that young British people don't want the unsocial hours and nights out that are part and parcel of the industry. How many artic drivers of British trucks do you see in their 20s?

SWBKCB 29th Jun 2021 06:42


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11070150)
T&Cs are what they are in UK due to government policy.

Talk to people in the logistics sector and you will find that pay for LGV1 drivers aren't low, problem is that young British people don't want the unsocial hours and nights out that are part and parcel of the industry. How many artic drivers of British trucks do you see in their 20s?

"Young British people won't do it" is shorthand for saying "young British people won't do it for the money we can get people to do it under FoM" - so like I said, FoM suppresses wages and T&C's.

ATNotts 29th Jun 2021 07:06


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11070163)
"Young British people won't do it" is shorthand for saying "young British people won't do it for the money we can get people to do it under FoM" - so like I said, FoM suppresses wages and T&C's.

Yes and no. LGV1 drivers are not badly paid by any stretch of the imagination. However another trait of Britain and British employers is that they believe that training is someone else's job. Many businesses that want qualified staff (and driving a LGV and a fork truck both require qualifications) are often reluctant to pay the substantial cost of putting people through the training courses, instead preferring to take on people that are already qualified. So to get into, for example a Class 1 truck would be drivers have to put themselves through not only the driving course, but the Certificate of Professional Competence (CPC) that is required these days, not just for transport managers, but for all drivers, and has to be renewed on a regular basis.

If you can get paid £30k plus to drive a truck, and the same rate for another job that doesn't require the level of (vocational / professional) qualification many people will simply look towards the easier option. This is being played out at the moment in other low / unqualified sectors such as hospitality where employees in the sector have discovered that for the same (minimum or living wage) remuneration they can drive a home delivery van for Tesco (other supermarkets are available) and not suffer the abuse from drunken @rses, unsocial hours and sweeping up piles of vomit from the toilets, bar room floors and door steps of their employers establishments.

Yes, of course money can be thrown at the problem, but that impacts directly on the consumer who pays higher prices, and through the impact of inflation caused by the higher wages higher interest rates will follow that will impact directly on those mortgaged to the hilt, and up to their eyes in credit card debt - which are the foundations of sand upon which the UK economy (and the economy of some other western countries) is are built.

The pre-covid levels of unemployment in UK were so low (and actually the current rates are still very low considering what we have been through / what we are going through) that we had what economists would call "full employment" so basically the people aren't available to fill the positions vacated by EU citizens who have had enough of post Brexit UK and returned home, or just as likely moved elsewhere in the EU using their multilingual skills.

It is a lot more complicated that the mantra of "put the wages up".



Economics101 29th Jun 2021 08:34

This from a piece in yesterday's Torygraph:

The majority of people in the United Kingdom - and the majority of Unionists in Northern Ireland - voted for Brexit because ....
Hr also refers to a "pan-Nationalist front" of Fine Gael, Fianna Fail, Sinn Fein, the SDLP and the Alliance party.
Clearly he doesn't regard non-Unionists in Northern Ireland as real people. Then there is the little matter of the fact that all the other parties he mentions hold Sinn Fein in contempt (they may not always do so publicly out of fear of on-line abuse)

Economics101 29th Jun 2021 13:41

I should have mentioned that the quote I gave from yesterday's Torygraph was from a piece by David Burnside. Probably best known for a prominent position at BA. He has also had a career in Ulster Unionist politics, which to say the least is quite interesting.

Flyingbadge 29th Jun 2021 14:12

I read an article a few days ago in The Times Ireland section. Apparently the staff shortage seems to be Europe wide and not solely the fault of Brexit.



“Adrian Cummins, chief executive of the Restaurants Association of Ireland, agreed, describing the issue as monumental. “I have always been of the view that we should have enough staff coming in from outside the European Union because right across the European Union they’re in the same predicament with no staff,” he said.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3458bd52-d50f-11eb-b50d-ece47261907f?shareToken=cba23497005419f45443485a481d7932]

B Fraser 29th Jun 2021 15:08

I can understand labour shortages in lower unemployment economies however here's what's happening in France. I have often suspected that the supply was from prison warders who had failed the interpersonal skills test so perhaps those exams have been relaxed, reducing the trickle down availability of staff ;)

French restaurants struggle to fill jobs lost in lockdown - France 24

ORAC 30th Jun 2021 07:31

Politico:

The judgment in the Judicial Review of the Northern Ireland protocol is to be announced at 10 a.m. by the High Court in Belfast.

The review was instigated by unionists Ben Habib, Arlene Foster, Kate Hoey and others, requesting the court ascertain whether the protocol is legal.

If the court finds in favor of the unionist group, then the protocol will be seen to be unconstitutional, which would certainly be something.

Krystal n chips 30th Jun 2021 09:59

You can see the attraction for a desperate UK Gov't along with its own gradual reduction in human rights for the UK population. A meeting of minds really.

UK making trade deals with countries abusing human rights, says TUC | International trade | The Guardian

ORAC 30th Jun 2021 10:08

As opposed to the EU doing a trade deal with genocidal China? :hmm:

And, of course, Merkel and Macron urging renewed and reinforced engagement with Russia - thankfully successfully rebuffed by the Eastern European nations…

ORAC 30th Jun 2021 10:33


The judgment in the Judicial Review of the Northern Ireland protocol is to be announced at 10 a.m. by the High Court in Belfast.
The High Court has ruled that the NI Protocol is legal - and that the EU Withdrawal Act takes precedence over the 1800 Act of Union….

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/po...eaders-3291294

ATNotts 30th Jun 2021 11:37

The Brexit chickens are now really coming home to roost, probably with the ending of Covid-19 restrictions coming in next month come what may, at the wrong time for the UK government:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57663112

When people can't find a plumber, can't find a brickie or can't get served in a pub or restaurant they are going to look for someone to blame, and if they don't blame their Brexiteer neighbour it'll be the government that takes the rap.

It's all very well saying "British people should take the jobs" but there aren't actually that many British people to take the jobs if you add up all the sectors in which there now appear to be staff shortages developing. It seems as though there will need to be some pretty serious back-pedalling from the government to resolve the issues if out nation is going to continue to function, and that may well put the xenophobic element of Brexit voters (and note I haven't said Brexit voters as a whole, not all Brexit voters had immigration at the top of their reasons to vote leave) noses well and truly out of joint.

B Fraser 30th Jun 2021 12:58

It's not just France but Germany too. The underlying cause is the volume of employers seeking staff at the same time.

‘We need people’: Berlin’s grand reopening hit by labour shortages | Financial Times (ft.com)

4468 30th Jun 2021 21:52


Originally Posted by B Fraser (Post 11070992)
It's not just France but Germany too. The underlying cause is the volume of employers seeking staff at the same time.

‘We need people’: Berlin’s grand reopening hit by labour shortages | Financial Times (ft.com)


Did Germany leave the EU as well?

And yet:

More EU ‘residents’ than previously thought!

How ‘problematic’ for the rabid Brexit slaggers!


The Brexit chickens are now really coming home to roost
Not nearly as much as when the EU’s future budget is next ‘agreed’!

nomilk 30th Jun 2021 22:40


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11071166)
Did Germany leave the EU as well?

And yet:

More EU ‘residents’ than previously thought!

How ‘problematic’ for the rabid Brexit slaggers!

It is a problem all over the western world, same in the US, because people found alternative jobs (remember, Whetherspoon staff was told to work for Tesco) and they like it and don't want to return to drunk customers etc.
What you miss: IF even Germany has this problem, it will be even harder to solve for Brexit Britain. The EU citizens living in the UK now, no matter how many, hold a job already, so they are not interested in part-time or seasonal work. We can only hope for foreign students to return, but they will only fill very few vacancies.


Krystal n chips 1st Jul 2021 05:41


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11070893)
As opposed to the EU doing a trade deal with genocidal China? :hmm:

And, of course, Merkel and Macron urging renewed and reinforced engagement with Russia - thankfully successfully rebuffed by the Eastern European nations…

Missed this yesterday ORAC, erm, not quite the same is it. China's version of human rights is well known and documented. Unfortunately, China trades with the whole world, and the whole world trades with China hence whilst genocide is repulsive, no country is in a position to influence China into abandoning this abhorrent practice.

The UK however, is desperate for all and any form of trade "deals" we can cobble together from anywhere across the globe so any "unfortunate "abuses of human rights can, and will, be conveniently ignored.

And so to one of the most revered mantra's, one that always produces an outpouring of "patriotic fervour", Enter...sovereignty .

True to form, the EU were the default scapegoats here, but now, huzzah ! the UK can forge ahead with its own version. In theory that is.

The last two paragraphs explain why, yet again, mis / disinformation was used in such an extensive and emotive manner to disguise where the real problems lie.

The Guardian view on state subsidy: Brussels was not the problem | Editorial | The Guardian


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