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ChrisVJ 17th Aug 2019 06:25

Nutloose
That's what I thought. I understand the principle of the Back Stop but I don't understand why a hard border in NI is considered such a threat by UK government. Even if the EU wanted to build one, would the RI allow it to be built? If their ultimate goal in Ireland is (eventual) reunification the last thing they want is a wall!

If the UK Brexits what will be there tomorrow and once nothing is there, why would that change?

ORAC 17th Aug 2019 06:31


Pontius Navigator 17th Aug 2019 07:37


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10547144)
HM could then appoint someone else and nowt BJ could do.

Not a chance.

Remember what happened in Australia in 1975.

NoelEvans 17th Aug 2019 08:00


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10547159)
By MPs walking into voting lobby.

racedo, in theory yes. But let's try to stick to talking about the real world!!

wiggy 17th Aug 2019 08:18


Originally Posted by G0ULI (Post 10547229)
It is the EU that is stirring the pot in order to provoke trouble. Let the EU sort it out, because it is their problem now.


Yes of course, prior to the ballot not a single UK politician hinted on the UK staying in the CU did they? And of course those "red lines" are all the EU's fault.

Sallyann1234 17th Aug 2019 08:44

And none of them said it would be the easiest trade deal ever. We must have imagined that as well.

NoelEvans 17th Aug 2019 08:46


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10547212)
... so how would that work as no one on our side would be carrying out immigration and customs duties and the EU wouldn't be doing it for us.

Immigration and customs are entirely different matters here.

Ireland is not in the Schengen Agreement. Ireland is in the Common Travel Area agreement with the UK (which predates Schengen by many, many decades). So immigration across the Channel will continue to be controlled by both the UK and Irish governments along the same rules that have been in place for nearly a century, regardless of the EU.

Customs is a different matter. If the UK is happy with goods coming from the EU, then the only remaining 'problem' is if the EU is going to be fussy about goods coming from the UK. So that is primarily the EU's problem. So if any 'hard' border is going to be created, it will be for goods going into the EU and the EU will be creating that border (Nancy Pelosi please note!).

MOSTAFA 17th Aug 2019 10:24

How very true Noel but sadly that’s the banner most now try to hide under, it’s a bit like the way the word bigot is bandied nowadays. But you make a very good point.

yellowtriumph 17th Aug 2019 11:01


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10547390)
And none of them said it would be the easiest trade deal ever. We must have imagined that as well.

We haven’t started to negotiate a trade deal with the EU. The EU won’t contemplate negotiations until we actually leave, it’s one of their red lines.

Sallyann1234 17th Aug 2019 11:28


Originally Posted by yellowtriumph (Post 10547498)


We haven’t started to negotiate a trade deal with the EU. The EU won’t contemplate negotiations until we actually leave, it’s one of their red lines.

Er yes, I think we knew that.
It will be interesting to see how 'easy' it will be, when we're simultaneously negotiating trade deals with certain other countries whose conditions will be incompatible with an EU deal.

racedo 17th Aug 2019 13:01


Originally Posted by Jack D (Post 10547188)
Ignore the Irish pm who attends pride rallies in N I
not in the republic ? ffs



Right so he wasn't photgraphed at Dublin then :ugh::ugh:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-38265593.html

racedo 17th Aug 2019 13:07


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10547350)
Not a chance.

Remember what happened in Australia in 1975.

IF majority of MPs nominate someone else as PM then Boris cannot claim to be PM as he will have lost confidence of the house and be holding onto power without the support of Parliment, he can make claims and demands but he has no constitutional power.

But hey all those Brexiteers want Democracy to work don't they.

Even SF MPs may just turn up to really add to it in creating a constitutional crisis.

racedo 17th Aug 2019 13:08


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10547359)
racedo, in theory yes. But let's try to stick to talking about the real world!!

Why ?

Brexiteers havem't so why would anybody else.

Pontius Navigator 17th Aug 2019 13:46


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10547578)
he can make claims and demands but he has no constitutional power.

.

Actually that is exactly the power he has. Only HMQ can remove that power, and although that power was exercised by proxy in 1975 I think it inconceivable that she would do it herself.

NutLoose 17th Aug 2019 19:41

I do find it rather amusing that for the last few years we have been bombarded with the fears of a hard Brexit and that the U.K. Will.... Collapse...Go bust.... Food will cease to grow..... Hospitals will cease to function...... The U.K. Will become a wasteland.... Power will cease over night plunging us into darkness.......Companies will desert our shores.....Cars will cease to be imported..... Cows will die in the fields..... Armageddon will reign........

But through all this doom and gloom and worry, one thing appears to be uniting the Country and all parties of the Government, and that is that no matter how bad it can get, nothing could be worse than having Corbyn leading us away from the abyss...

:E

keith williams 17th Aug 2019 20:20

And people keep repeating the same thing over again.

The world really must be coming to an end.

Phantom Driver 17th Aug 2019 21:31


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10547823)
I do find it rather amusing that for the last few years we have been bombarded with the fears of a hard Brexit and that the U.K. Will.... Collapse...Go bust.... Food will cease to grow..... Hospitals will cease to function...... The U.K. Will become a wasteland.... Power will cease over night plunging us into darkness.......Companies will desert our shores.....Cars will cease to be imported..... Cows will die in the fields..... Armageddon will reign........

But through all this doom and gloom and worry, one thing appears to be uniting the Country and all parties of the Government, and that is that no matter how bad it can get, nothing could be worse than having Corbyn leading us away from the abyss...

:E

Now that one is funny https://www.pprune.org/images/infopop/icons/icon7.gif

ORAC 17th Aug 2019 21:43

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...boris-johnson/

Was I wrong about Boris Johnson?

The Conservative commentariat does not march in step. Myself, along with Matthew Parris, Max Hastings and Simon Heffer are proud, stiff-necked characters who would never make concessions to secure consensus and who certainly do not write to be wrong. Yet in recent months, there has been agreement, at least on one crucial point: we have vied with each other to pour boiling oil on Boris. We all insisted that a Johnson administration would quickly disintegrate into risibility and chaos, exposing the country to manifold perils. Well, that has not happened. It may be that we were all wrong.

I had assumed that although Boris wanted the self-aggrandisement of power, he would not move beyond ‘to be’, because he would have no idea what to do. That turned out to be nonsense. He had prepared for office. From the first moment, he displayed Montgomery’s favourite attribute: grip (which the Field Marshal pronounced ‘gwip’). When Churchill became prime minister, one observer said that the new regime was definitely having an impact: a permanent secretary had been seen running down a corridor. Although senior civil servants may not be bringing trainers and tracksuit bottoms to the office, Whitehall has been galvanised and many officials are cautiously enjoying the process. Good civil servants enjoy a sense of purpose and after the drift and hopelessness of the May years, that has returned.......

Apropos Remainers, I detect a subtle shift in Boris’s favour. More and more Tory MPs now realise that there is no turning back. We are going to leave the EU. Although there is still unhappiness at the thought of no deal, there is even more unhappiness at the thought of a Corbyn government.

Dominic Grieve is an exception, but he is not just a Remainer; he is a Remaniac. He is as favourably disposed to the Government as Samson, eyeless in Gaza at the mill with slaves, was to the Philistines.

There remain plenty of uncertainties. Yet Boris seems determined to maintain his momentum. A few weeks ago, some commentator – it may even have been me, or perhaps someone else of the same name – likened him to a circus clown. He has now changed roles and become a tight-rope artist, or funambulist, as they are also known. That seems appropriate for Boris.

As he inches his way across, there is no safety-net below him: only a pool of piranhas. But he might make it. With Boris, there were always going to be surprises and shocks. This could be the biggest shock of all. He succeeds.



Steepclimb 17th Aug 2019 22:20

Orac, I have massive respect for you. You are old school from my time in the early days of Pprune.

Indeed I wish that BJ has a plan. I'm thinking he must have a plan. Indeed I do believe there is a plan. There has to be plan.
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But I think he's bluffing. I think he does not want a no deal Brexit. Actually no one in their right mind would ever countenance a no deal Brexit. It is insane.

But he recruited Dominic Cummins who is demonstratly insane.

Imagine that people like are controlling your future.
​​​​​​. Did you vote for that?






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Jack D 17th Aug 2019 22:45


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10547573)
Right so he wasn't photgraphed at Dublin then :ugh::ugh:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-38265593.html

My apologies you’re absolutely right .. 2 pride events !


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