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4468 23rd Jun 2021 21:55


The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.


”other unit”?

sounds like a pretty accurate description of the European Union?

More power, and more prestige for the “other unit” into which they have chosen to sink their own individuality.

A pretty accurate description of the EU, constantly seeking to extend their powers in the grand project.

Krystal n chips 24th Jun 2021 04:04

A celebratory birthday card.

Martin Rowson the 5th anniversary of the Brexit – cartoon | Opinion | The Guardian

Avionker 24th Jun 2021 07:55


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11067176)
”other unit”?

sounds like a pretty accurate description of the European Union?

More power, and more prestige for the “other unit” into which they have chosen to sink their own individuality.

A pretty accurate description of the EU, constantly seeking to extend their powers in the grand project.

Sounds like an even more accurate description of a Boris Johnson worshipping Brexit supporter….

“The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power”

= Take back control

“and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.”


= "Our mission is to deliver Brexit on the 31st of October for the purpose of uniting and re-energizing our great United Kingdom and making this country the greatest place on earth," - Boris Johnson 25 Jul 2019

ATNotts 24th Jun 2021 12:57

EE to reintroduce roaming charges in Europe

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57595913

This is a move that really isn't going to go down well with Brexiteers (he writes splitting his sides laughing!!!).

Where EE goes there is little doubt that the other big players, O2 and Vodaphone will surely follow. A thumping great upfront negative of Brexit for thousands, possibly millions of UK travellers next year; following on from increased delays at borders for passport checks, loss of cross border shopping and the reintroduction of duty free shopping, although many people have been blissfully unaware that duty free ever went away for EU travel!!

Never mind, we have taken back control, royally shat on the fishing industry, our exporters, the Northern Irish and pretty soon our farmers - all within less than 6 months of leaving EU transition. It is difficult to see how much worse things could get for our businesses, industry and the public at large. A total shambles really doesn't begin to describe Brexit.

Fareastdriver 24th Jun 2021 13:28

It must be hell living in the UK. So why are all those people risking their lives crossing the English Channel to get away from the European utopia.

Ninthace 24th Jun 2021 13:31


Originally Posted by Fareastdriver (Post 11067535)
It must be hell living in the UK. So why are all those people risking their lives crossing the English Channel to get away from the European utopia.

So they won't have to pay roaming charges I presume.

B Fraser 24th Jun 2021 14:33


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11067515)
EE to reintroduce roaming charges in Europe..... This is a move that really isn't going to go down well with Brexiteers (he writes splitting his sides laughing!!!).

The facts are that this has nothing to do with Brexit. For example, the charge from O2 is a fair usage policy on data consumption over and above 25GB.

Clarifying O2 UK's Tougher Excess Data Charges for EU Roaming - ISPreview UK

If you really want to split your sides laughing, enjoy this one. Bacon omelettes in an egg ?

EU to lift its ban on feeding animal remains to domestic livestock | European Commission | The Guardian

ATNotts 24th Jun 2021 15:18

B Fraser

EE on the other hand is not!

B Fraser 24th Jun 2021 15:57

That's their choice and not a consequence of Brexit. What are the other two UK network operators doing ?

Vodafone claim more free roaming destinations than anyone else and have a fair use policy.... Roaming | Vodafone

Three have a fair use policy.... Roaming Abroad (three.co.uk)




Avionker 24th Jun 2021 16:14


Originally Posted by B Fraser (Post 11067606)
That's their choice and not a consequence of Brexit. What are the other two UK network operators doing ?

Vodafone claim more free roaming destinations than anyone else and have a fair use policy.... Roaming | Vodafone

Three have a fair use policy.... Roaming Abroad (three.co.uk)

It is a consequence of Brexit. Had Brexit not occurred these charges would have been illegal. Only because of the UK leaving the EU can EE legally apply these charges.

Cornish Jack 24th Jun 2021 16:44

M'lady is just back from shopping at Waitrose. Quite quiet and then a sudden burst of excitement and activity. "What's happening ?" - to manager chap. " New consignment just arrived, been waiting ages - we've just about run out of the Brexit emergency store and we can't get much new stuff - the Continental drivers won't deliver over here - Sainsbury's just the same "
Well, well, who'd a thought it ?

Krystal n chips 24th Jun 2021 17:16


Originally Posted by Cornish Jack (Post 11067630)
M'lady is just back from shopping at Waitrose. Quite quiet and then a sudden burst of excitement and activity. "What's happening ?" - to manager chap. " New consignment just arrived, been waiting ages - we've just about run out of the Brexit emergency store and we can't get much new stuff - the Continental drivers won't deliver over here - Sainsbury's just the same "
Well, well, who'd a thought it ?

At a rough guess 16,141,241 of the UK electorate.

But don't worry. Now the news is out, fleets of vehicles will be heading across the Channel to emulate Dunkirk and replenish the empty shelves.

And besides which, as a result of the sooopah trade "deal" with Australia, very soon the shops will be overflowing with beef / lamb / kangaroo / wallaby / camel / duck billed platypus and koala bears !.


B Fraser 24th Jun 2021 17:20


Originally Posted by Avionker (Post 11067615)
It is a consequence of Brexit. Had Brexit not occurred these charges would have been illegal. Only because of the UK leaving the EU can EE legally apply these charges.

Had that avenue not been available then there are plenty of other ways to increase costs to the consumer. Inflation is like a balloon, if one part is constricted then another part takes up the extra pressure. Across that industry, there are costs that are exceeding the rate of inflation, particularly power and accommodation. The footprint required to run 5G is greater than that for 4G so the current level of borrowing and investment is at a high. Do you expect MNOs to do nothing and run at a loss ?


ATNotts 24th Jun 2021 17:42


Originally Posted by B Fraser (Post 11067642)
Had that avenue not been available then there are plenty of other ways to increase costs to the consumer. Inflation is like a balloon, if one part is constricted then another part takes up the extra pressure. Across that industry, there are costs that are exceeding the rate of inflation, particularly power and accommodation. The footprint required to run 5G is greater than that for 4G so the current level of borrowing and investment is at a high. Do you expect MNOs to do nothing and run at a loss ?

I am sorry, you are clutching at straws. EE have used the UK's departure from the EU to end free roaming charges. End of!

One day ardent Brexiteers will accept the consequences of their pet project and accept some responsibility.

M.Mouse 24th Jun 2021 18:04


One day ardent Brexiteers will accept the consequences of their pet project and accept some responsibility.
Once again missing the main reason many voted to leave.

alicopter 24th Jun 2021 18:48


Originally Posted by M.Mouse (Post 11067664)
Once again missing the main reason many voted to leave.

An interesting summary.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...it-calamity-uk
Idealisticaly that was quite predictable but considering the quality of these liars, corrupted and frankly quite ignorants in charge, what did you expect???

B Fraser 24th Jun 2021 19:25


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11067659)
I am sorry, you are clutching at straws. EE have used the UK's departure from the EU to end free roaming charges. End of!

Clutching at straws is to cling to one example while ignoring three other contradictions.

Carry on tilting at windmills. Most people have got over it but clearly not all.

charliegolf 24th Jun 2021 19:57


Originally Posted by Avionker (Post 11067615)
It is a consequence of Brexit. Had Brexit not occurred these charges would have been illegal. Only because of the UK leaving the EU can EE legally apply these charges.

The three people it affects are going to be absolutely furious, I can tell you!

CG

Torquetalk 24th Jun 2021 21:12


Originally Posted by B Fraser (Post 11067642)
Had that avenue not been available then there are plenty of other ways to increase costs to the consumer. Inflation is like a balloon, if one part is constricted then another part takes up the extra pressure. Across that industry, there are costs that are exceeding the rate of inflation, particularly power and accommodation. The footprint required to run 5G is greater than that for 4G so the current level of borrowing and investment is at a high. Do you expect MNOs to do nothing and run at a loss ?

wow, you’ve convinced me. Where can I donate to these hard-pressed telecommunication providers? Every little bit helps and I’m sure the government will be grateful that it can extort yet more money from a licence bidding process, the cost of which will then be passed on to UK consumers.

How can you post such twoddle? Any fool know that it was EU consumer protection legislation that stopped the greedy providers from screwing their customers royally. And without it, our glorious leaders will revert back to form with “industry self-regulation” and other such ineffectual bolleaux to keep the party going.

4468 24th Jun 2021 22:51


It must be hell living in the UK. So why are all those people risking their lives crossing the English Channel to get away from the European utopia.
Fareastdriver is absolutely correct. These terrified refugees are clearly fleeing the oppressive regime in the European Union in the desperate hope of finding a place of safety and hope in the UK. What other explanation can there possibly be? :rolleyes: Certainly there are non who attempt the dangerous crossing of the Channel in an Easterly direction! 🙄 It’s not even as though there’s a shortage of empty boats on the beaches around Dover! 😀


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