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ATNotts 1st Apr 2021 13:40

Things are going swimmingly in the brave new world that is Brexit.

Further evidence in the BBC piece about businesses opening facilities in EU countries to facilitate business that is now too difficult, but more importantly time consuming and expensive to facilitate from UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56592411

To their credit BBC does flag up issues relating to Brexit, but it is ploughing a lonely furrow with most of the UK media much more interested in fighting a phony war with the EU over vaccines, and wrapping themselves in the Union Flag, or worrying themselves over Harry and Megan. The sooner the covid story subsides and the media gives some attention to the Brexit debacle the better.

dead_pan 1st Apr 2021 15:55


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11020545)
Things are going swimmingly in the brave new world that is Brexit.

Further evidence in the BBC piece about businesses opening facilities in EU countries to facilitate business that is now too difficult, but more importantly time consuming and expensive to facilitate from UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56592411

Ouch:

Much-vaunted trade deals with countries including the US, Australia, New Zealand and others have not yet arrived and the government's own analysis said deals with all of them would add less than 1% to UK GDP in 15 years' time and fail to offset the hit to trade with the EU.

Those shit-lit lowlands eh?

Krystal n chips 1st Apr 2021 17:01

Thus giving a whole new meaning to that well known expression " do you want to phone a friend ? "......well given how much he's plonked into the (non ) Tory trough coffers it would have been a shame to have missed out on some generous tax payer funded returns......

Tory donor lobbied minister to speed up his 65m PPE deal | Coronavirus | The Guardian

Mr Mac 1st Apr 2021 17:37

Lies about none existent trade deals post Brexit and indeed other things, and sleazy deals with some what shady characters, not difficult to realize which party is in power is it. Does seem a little like the end of the Thatcher / Major period sometimes.
Cheers
Mr Mac

Effluent Man 1st Apr 2021 18:37


Originally Posted by Mr Mac (Post 11020638)
Lies about none existent trade deals post Brexit and indeed other things, and sleazy deals with some what shady characters, not difficult to realize which party is in power is it. Does seem a little like the end of the Thatcher / Major period sometimes.
Cheers
Mr Mac

I see that is being reported in financial circles that the Deliveroo share launch failure is being blamed on Brexit. The implications are that future launches will not favour London. Is this the beginning of the end fir The City as a world trading centre?

512 1st Apr 2021 19:03


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11020545)
Things are going swimmingly in the brave new world that is Brexit.

Further evidence in the BBC piece about businesses opening facilities in EU countries to facilitate business that is now too difficult, but more importantly time consuming and expensive to facilitate from UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56592411

To their credit BBC does flag up issues relating to Brexit, but it is ploughing a lonely furrow with most of the UK media much more interested in fighting a phony war with the EU over vaccines, and wrapping themselves in the Union Flag, or worrying themselves over Harry and Megan. The sooner the covid story subsides and the media gives some attention to the Brexit debacle the better.

If this BBC's prime example about Brexit and British businesses, then there was never going to be much hope for the future of British businesses whether inside the EU or not. The local BBC news round here pushed stories like this for years during the Brexit negotiations. These companies import goods from China then export then into Europe, run by youngsters ( i.e. people who have not lived in Britain outside the EU ). So to them it is just like buying and selling in UK.

They are all at sea as far as exporting for real, with all the complexities that entails, but companies that have traded to the world outside of the EU, JCB as an example do not seem to be as complaining.

Also, they are just selling at a price that is from there warehouse in UK, with no regard to the price to their customer. Their customers are getting charged two sets of taxes, UK and EU, so no wonder they are having problems. Why can they not sell without paying UK taxes, shops do for tourists.

This also seems to apply to sites like Amazon, where the seller is in the EU. UK customers are getting charged taxes/duties twice, and without knowing what the UK charge will be at the point of sale. They only get to know when the delivery company tells them. What a brilliant business model!

SWBKCB 1st Apr 2021 19:15


Originally Posted by 512 (Post 11020677)
If this BBC's prime example about Brexit and British businesses, then there was never going to be much hope for the future of British businesses whether inside the EU or not. The local BBC news round here pushed stories like this for years during the Brexit negotiations. These companies import goods from China then export then into Europe, run by youngsters ( i.e. people who have not lived in Britain outside the EU ). So to them it is just like buying and selling in UK.

They are all at sea as far as exporting for real, with all the complexities that entails, but companies that have traded to the world outside of the EU, JCB as an example do not seem to be as complaining.

That's what really stands out from the BBC article, just how unprepared these firms where.

Mr Mac 1st Apr 2021 19:26

512
I would like to point out that as a very large contributor to the Tory party for generations (JCB / Bamforths), I would be a little bit surprised given that companies support for the Tory party, and indeed Brexit, if there was any complaints. However let’s us see how long the honeymoon lasts, as some recent products from JCB are not that good (a users opinion by the way).
Cheers
Mr Mac

Effluent Man 2nd Apr 2021 21:06

All kicking off in Belfast.

Sallyann1234 3rd Apr 2021 08:58


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11020684)
That's what really stands out from the BBC article, just how unprepared these firms where.

And why were they unprepared?

Could that just possibly be because they had been promised for three years a wonderful deal with the EU, and only found out at the last minute that there was no such thing?

Effluent Man 3rd Apr 2021 09:06

June Mummery ex MEP is kicking off big style in The Excess about being conned by Tubs on fish. She Swans around Lowestoft in a black Mercedes reg JUN78 plastered with Brexit stickers. I'm told that from a personal perspective her short spell in Brussels was, shall we say rewarding as well as lucrative? Now she complains of Remainers stopping her in the street and asking if she didn't know that Tubs would have her over. All very sad really. Never mind June, plenty of fish to sell..oh wait.
( she has a fish auctioneers)

Sallyann1234 3rd Apr 2021 10:10


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 11021544)
June Mummery ex MEP is kicking off big style in The Excess about being conned by Tubs on fish. She Swans around Lowestoft in a black Mercedes reg JUN78 plastered with Brexit stickers. I'm told that from a personal perspective her short spell in Brussels was, shall we say rewarding as well as lucrative? Now she complains of Remainers stopping her in the street and asking if she didn't know that Tubs would have her over. All very sad really. Never mind June, plenty of fish to sell..oh wait.
( she has a fish auctioneers)

Be (very) careful what you wish for!

SWBKCB 3rd Apr 2021 10:24


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 11021540)
And why were they unprepared?

Could that just possibly be because they had been promised for three years a wonderful deal with the EU, and only found out at the last minute that there was no such thing?

Yes - but also for many years the Govt. was saying they would be happy to walk away on WTO terms.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

alfaman 3rd Apr 2021 10:28


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11020684)
That's what really stands out from the BBC article, just how unprepared these firms where.

Of course they "weren't prepared" - right up to Christmas Eve the government were telling everyone how great their deal was going to be, with no detail as to what that entailed. Parliament only get three days to work through the paperwork before signing it off. Changing the narrative now to imply they should have known what to expect won't wash.

Dannyboy39 3rd Apr 2021 10:57


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11021589)
Yes - but also for many years the Govt. was saying they would be happy to walk away on WTO terms.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Seriously? This is an aviation forum. The worst for this industry would've been to have a complete no deal with absolutely no airline having landing permissions in the EU and going back to the old bilateral agreements.

How would you expect an aviation company to prepare for that doomsday scenario?

ATNotts 3rd Apr 2021 11:20


Originally Posted by alfaman (Post 11021593)
Of course they "weren't prepared" - right up to Christmas Eve the government were telling everyone how great their deal was going to be, with no detail as to what that entailed. Parliament only get three days to work through the paperwork before signing it off. Changing the narrative now to imply they should have known what to expect won't wash.

That's the point, having been flogged the easiest trade deal in history, then assured the EU needed the UK more than they needed us (both total garbage) the UK chose to make 'free trade deal' so thin as to be virtually useless.

Business and the public have been taken for a monstrous ride and conned stupid. Frankly for many businesses the was no contingency they could make short of leaving the UK, and reluctantly that is what many are now doing.

Sallyann1234 3rd Apr 2021 16:26

According to a Survation study reported today in the Times, three in ten British businesses have stopped trading with the EU since the end of last year.
One quote: "The government... must redouble its efforts to fix our trading relationship with the EU."

ATNotts 3rd Apr 2021 16:45


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 11021747)
According to a Survation study reported today in the Times, three in ten British businesses have stopped trading with the EU since the end of last year.
One quote: "The government... must redouble its efforts to fix our trading relationship with the EU."

Given the rules of origin that apply to allow manufactured products to qualify for free trade with the EU that may prove difficult.

Fact is our trading relationship with the EU wasn't broken until June 2016. The only sensible repair that might get the 3 in 10 back trading with the EU is reentry to the customs union and single market, this 'f*ck business' government isn't about to do that.

SWBKCB 3rd Apr 2021 20:34


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11021611)
Seriously? This is an aviation forum. The worst for this industry would've been to have a complete no deal with absolutely no airline having landing permissions in the EU and going back to the old bilateral agreements.

How would you expect an aviation company to prepare for that doomsday scenario?

But the article being commented upon had nothing to do with aviation and this is JetBlast - and for all the talk of the "easiest deal ever", there was also plenty of talk about we'll just walk away and take WTO terms. There was endless talk af Australian deals, Canadian deals, etc etc.


ATNotts 4th Apr 2021 10:29


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11021821)
But the article being commented upon had nothing to do with aviation and this is JetBlast - and for all the talk of the "easiest deal ever", there was also plenty of talk about we'll just walk away and take WTO terms. There was endless talk af Australian deals, Canadian deals, etc etc.

For UK industries trading with the EU, whether importing or exporting, planning for the worst possible outcome would have involved leasing or purchasing warehousing and opening offices in the EU in anticipation of the UK doing what was unthinkable - walking away and trading under WTO terms. They expected a Conservative government, that is a government by the political party that was always seen to be the friend, supporter and facilitator of industry to make a sensible far ranging deal with the EU that would have minimised disruption to business and supply chains.

What they got was a half baked face saving exercise which is unravelling quickly, pushing businesses to do now what they never imagined they might have to do (move out of the UK) to serve EU markets. I cannot imagine many captains of industry who are donors to Tory party funds being overly keen to continue to donate to them, aside of course of the likes of Bamford and Tim Martin. They have been royally shat on.

Commercial aviation, if not the people working within it, had easier choices, since it was evident months ago that the UK as going it alone so the carriers had time to set up new AOCs and operating bases within the EU. Even then to save their business models doing that probably cost them dearly.



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