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Effluent Man 19th Mar 2021 01:27


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11011317)
Oh indeed.

I feel sure both brexiteers and remoaners can join in the wailing that they will no longer be stuck in traffic caused by lorries travelling through the UK from EU country to EU country with highly dubious benefits to UK citizens! Whilst simultaneously paying no UK road tax and ‘tanking’ fuel in their oversized diesel tanks to avoid buying fuel here. All contributing to the reduction in UK’s air quality.

From the link:


It should indeed!

24 hours on board? You could treat it as a mini cruise! 😂😂😂

On the bright side, maybe it will contribute greatly to reducing the vastly overplayed predictions of congestion at channel ports.

on another tack...

I wonder how long it will be before the likes of Spain, Greece, Portugal et al are clamouring for those ‘thick’ vaccinated brits to swarm into their tourist resorts?

ASAP I’d guess.

personally not bothered as long as I can get into France.

andrewn 19th Mar 2021 08:18


Originally Posted by old,not bold (Post 11011586)
Another point about the start of the Rosslare- Dunkirk service is that it's not only diverting existing HGV traffic that used to go via the UK, but that buyers in the EU are beginning to buying in Ireland instead of the UK, thus avoiding all the Customs hassle. This applies especially, we are told, to foodstuffs similar to those made in the UK, for which there is high demand in the EU. Indeed, it turns out that the Irish versions are sometimes better than the UK version. The new ferry route responds to that demand.

Our motorways operate way beyond capacity and A and B roads are in a shocking state, in dangerously poor repair in many areas. The amount of HGV traffic on the roads is a significant contributory factor to both, so I for one have no issues with the reduction in numbers of foreign trucks on our roads.

If the offset for me is my local supermarket doesn't always stock some random Dutch flowers or French cheese or whatever, then that's a price I'm perfectly happy to pay.

Alsacienne 19th Mar 2021 08:58


as long as I can get into France.
Unlikely for at least a month ! Sorry (but it works both ways!)

wowzz 19th Mar 2021 09:03


Originally Posted by andrewn (Post 11011875)
Our motorways operate way beyond capacity and A and B roads are in a shocking state, in dangerously poor repair in many areas. The amount of HGV traffic on the roads is a significant contributory factor to both, so I for one have no issues with the reduction in numbers of foreign trucks on our roads.

If the offset for me is my local supermarket doesn't always stock some random Dutch flowers or French cheese or whatever, then that's a price I'm perfectly happy to pay.

Or spare parts for your car, motor bike, cycle, white goods, etc?

Effluent Man 19th Mar 2021 09:06


Originally Posted by Alsacienne (Post 11011905)
Unlikely for at least a month ! Sorry (but it works both ways!)

Other half is teaching until June29 but is then retiring. So just hoping things are sorted by then. She has a week off towards the end of May, so I'm setting that as the earliest possible date.

ORAC 19th Mar 2021 09:53

SHJ


If you or I buy or send anything, including second hand goods (!) to or from the EU and UK we will be charged VAT/Duty/Excise and so on depending on the monetary worth of the goods. UK exporters are suffering under these restrictions as well, as are their EU counterparts. The motor manufacturers seem to be carrying on as normal, well as normal as one can in these strange times. Are there special arrangements for huge corporations and industries ?
You only pay VAT once, if items are being exported then VAT can be reclaimed. similarly many other charges are demanded by the transporters so if you do your own they don’t apply.

Sky Business interviewed the CEO of a large multinational and the owner of a small business. The small owner was experiencing major problems with the paperwork and bureaucracy. The CEO shrugged it off explaining that they already had large departments experienced in dealing with such import/export of parts and products worldwide and all they’d had to do was add a few lines of code into their systems and add the appropriate forms.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...u-member-state

alfaman 19th Mar 2021 10:02


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11011719)
But if “they were delivering and collecting from UK providers”

Then why do they now travel at all? If you were correct, wouldn’t that mean their mini cruise from Rosslare to Dunkirk was now pointless?

Mmmmmmm... 🤔🙄🙄🙄

One can only suppose it used to be called the UK ‘land bridge’ for a reason. 🤔

Ever heard the term "split load"? Truck A collects goods a point of departure for multiple destinations, delivering & collecting enroute, finally arriving at ultimate destination with some of the original load, & some collected on the way. If there's nothing to collect or deliver in the UK, go straight to ultimate destination, particularly if it means not having to bother with excessive bureaucracy entering & leaving. It's also quicker if you want to route direct, carrying perishable goods for example, providing there are no barriers in the way. It really isn't that tricky a concept.

WB627 19th Mar 2021 11:44


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 11011765)
Our local florist has just posted a message apologising for the large increase in prices.

The pandemic is certainly responsible for some of the shortages however, the increased admin of border paperwork, the doubling of shipping costs, and the 41% increase in wholesale prices at auction primarly due to brexit does make one wonder where this will all end.

And as I remarked to Mrs WB627 yesterday, the cost of plants for the garden :uhoh:


4468 19th Mar 2021 22:06

alfaman

If there's nothing to collect or deliver in the UK, go straight to ultimate destination
That seems to be what they are now doing with their ‘mini cruises’.

Now, who’s going to pick up any slack of UK import/export transportation?

Mmmmmm... 🤔

As you said; “It really isn't that tricky a concept.”

Either way, the proportion of trucks simply passing through the UK ‘land bridge’, with no benefit to us, (and some detriment!) has now been reduced, That’s positive! Long may it continue.

OilCan 19th Mar 2021 22:22


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11012386)
Either way, the proportion of trucks simply passing through the UK ‘land bridge’, with no benefit to us, (and some detriment!) has now been reduced, That’s positive! Long may it continue.

...so is that a main reason why you voted to leave?

andrewn 19th Mar 2021 22:46


Originally Posted by wowzz (Post 11011908)
Or spare parts for your car, motor bike, cycle, white goods, etc?

Yeah, basically, if it comes to that I'll live with it. Globalisation has gone too far in my opinion, time to rein it in a bit.

4468 19th Mar 2021 22:58


Originally Posted by OilCan (Post 11012394)
...so is that a main reason why you voted to leave?

Was the retention of useless traffic a main reason you voted to remain?

OilCan 19th Mar 2021 23:11


Originally Posted by andrewn (Post 11012414)
Globalisation has gone too far in my opinion, time to rein it in a bit.

Is that not what Donald Trump said?

OilCan 19th Mar 2021 23:12


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11012420)
Was the retention of useless traffic a main reason you voted to remain?

No. :rolleyes:

Mr Mac 19th Mar 2021 23:39


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11011935)
SHJ

You only pay VAT once, if items are being exported then VAT can be reclaimed. similarly many other charges are demanded by the transporters so if you do your own they don’t apply.

Sky Business interviewed the CEO of a large multinational and the owner of a small business. The small owner was experiencing major problems with the paperwork and bureaucracy. The CEO shrugged it off explaining that they already had large departments experienced in dealing with such import/export of parts and products worldwide and all they’d had to do was add a few lines of code into their systems and add the appropriate forms.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...u-member-state

Orac
Not what Saint Gobain told me recently. Would they be of significant size, if not I will advise them otherwise.
Evening
Mr Mac

wowzz 20th Mar 2021 00:17


Originally Posted by andrewn (Post 11012414)
Yeah, basically, if it comes to that I'll live with it. Globalisation has gone too far in my opinion, time to rein it in a bit.

You are King Canute and I claim my £5.

Mr Mac 20th Mar 2021 07:06


Originally Posted by andrewn (Post 11012414)
Yeah, basically, if it comes to that I'll live with it. Globalisation has gone too far in my opinion, time to rein it in a bit.

andrewn
I think you will find those trucks you mention some what glibly, are not just bringing in flowers and cheese. There is a lot of manufactured goods and or parts for things like cars. These products if not freely available will cause issues for any UK based manufacturer, and it is not a case of then finding a UK source for these components, as there may not even be one. If you suddenly then decide to make it in the UK how long will you wait until you find a company to make your component or even set up a plant ? Globalization is a result partially of consumers driving down the cost of items as they are unwilling, or unable to pay higher prices, and as the US and UK are prime examples of this best of luck with your anti globalization message.

Cheers
Mr Mac

Crosswind Limits 20th Mar 2021 08:24

I think globalisation has gone too far and I voted remain. It has many benefits but has its limits like most things in life.

N707ZS 20th Mar 2021 08:26

Pork pie please
 
I used to visit my father who was a resident in Spain and on a few occasions we used to visit his favourite UK butcher for some pies and other supplies. I presume more now than before doing this will be classed as illegal.

ATNotts 20th Mar 2021 08:34


Originally Posted by Crosswind Limits (Post 11012543)
I think globalisation has gone too far and I voted remain. It has many benefits but has its limits like most things in life.

I agree with you, and @andrewn on that, there is more to things than price and profit, there is a balance to be struck, and the balance has tipped too far towards profit and wealth creation. That's not a parochial EU issue though, and being in or out of the EU has no bearing. Europe is our back yard.

The issue is offshoring manufacturing and jobs to China, India, Vietnam, Korea, etc. etc.


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