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Arch Stanton 7th Mar 2021 14:42

I’m still waiting to hear one benefit of Brexit, yet alone the Brexit dividends we were promised. Admit it, either you Brexiteers were too thick to see through the lies, or you voted leave because of your little englander, racist philosophy of keeping foreigners out. If it is the latter, I would have far more respect for your vote if you just admitted it, rather than trying to justify what is so obviously an irrational decision otherwise

antheads 7th Mar 2021 15:07


Originally Posted by Arch Stanton (Post 11003901)
I’m still waiting to hear one benefit of Brexit, yet alone the Brexit dividends we were promised.

Scratch your head and have a think... it's staring you right in the face.. Britain has vaccinated 30 percent of it's population with the first jab. Germany a pitiful 6 percent, other EU countries far less. This will literally save thousands of lives and as we reach full vaccination the European Union will lag behind for months with more deaths. . If that isn't a benefit that can be seen as point of difference between how GB and EU work then i don't know what is. But it's so much easier to bleat about racism and muh Britain Bad

pug 7th Mar 2021 15:48


Originally Posted by antheads (Post 11003912)
Scratch your head and have a think... it's staring you right in the face.. Britain has vaccinated 30 percent of it's population with the first jab. Germany a pitiful 6 percent, other EU countries far less. This will literally save thousands of lives and as we reach full vaccination the European Union will lag behind for months with more deaths. . If that isn't a benefit that can be seen as point of difference between how GB and EU work then i don't know what is. But it's so much easier to bleat about racism and muh Britain Bad

How is that any relation to the EU short of Germany being an EU member state? All you can do is obfuscate, much like the people you presumably voted for do. The U.K. would have pursued its vaccination program had it been inside or outside of the EU regardless. Indeed, it started the mechanisms for the widespread vaccination program prior to leaving the EU, and would most certainly have opted out of the EU wide rollout had we voted remain in 2016. Itís also looking likely that many of the EU member states will be pursuing their own vaccination programs to suit their own national interests. Your post also conveniently ignores the poor initial reaponse of this Government and itís failure to implement procedures which would have saved a lot more lives. With one of the worst death rates in the World, itís hardly something to be proud of.

ATNotts 7th Mar 2021 16:06

That's the first 'bogus benefit' debunked!!

Anyone got one that actually holds water?

Effluent Man 7th Mar 2021 16:15

Well he is in Oz. Maybe he thinks that some benefit will accrue to his own country. Who said the benefit had to be to the UK? Arguably the EU are better off too, having got shot of us.

ThorMos 7th Mar 2021 16:18


Originally Posted by antheads (Post 11003912)
Scratch your head and have a think... it's staring you right in the face.. Britain has vaccinated 30 percent of it's population with the first jab. Germany a pitiful 6 percent, other EU countries far less. This will literally save thousands of lives and as we reach full vaccination the European Union will lag behind for months with more deaths. . If that isn't a benefit that can be seen as point of difference between how GB and EU work then i don't know what is. But it's so much easier to bleat about racism and muh Britain Bad

Did 'being in the EU' stop Czech republic from sourcing the 'Sputnik' vaccine from russia?
Was it the EU or was it italy who decided to stop the shipment of vaccine to australia?

Dannyboy39 7th Mar 2021 16:20

I suspect the real reason why LTNMan voted for Brexit was because it would stop the influx of Eastern Europeans and stifle the progress of WZZ.

And yet, Polish people (as an example) still have access to 26 other countries as a freedom whereas our own population have to follow the 90/180 day rule. Aviation workers massively disadvantaged in comparison to our European cousins.

alicopter 7th Mar 2021 16:32


Originally Posted by antheads (Post 11003912)
Scratch your head and have a think... it's staring you right in the face.. Britain has vaccinated 30 percent of it's population with the first jab. Germany a pitiful 6 percent, other EU countries far less. This will literally save thousands of lives and as we reach full vaccination the European Union will lag behind for months with more deaths. . If that isn't a benefit that can be seen as point of difference between how GB and EU work then i don't know what is. But it's so much easier to bleat about racism and muh Britain Bad

I am reading correctly???? So you are telling me it is better to be in the UK with a pandemic that has seen one of the worst death toll in the world but ahead of the "vaccin race" by a few weeks than in any other EU country that has had so far a lot less casualties??? Ok, you were disavantaged right from the beginning with a useless government who started late and with many less hospital beds than most civilized nations next door but ... really? My father in law died of Covid after being admitted to hospital with a broken hip to be replaced, got contaminated, gifting his own daughter with a few viruses to take home and by the same occasion giving me a few of them... Nurses with just a flimsy mask shouting Corona Virus while patients caughing like hell were being pushed through A&E... None of my relatives, or friends, or neighbours in France has had Covid19 so far, let alone died of it so may be a sign? I think you are a joke.

wiggy 7th Mar 2021 16:39


Originally Posted by ThorMos (Post 11003946)
Did 'being in the EU' stop Czech republic from sourcing the 'Sputnik' vaccine from russia?
Was it the EU or was it italy who decided to stop the shipment of vaccine to australia?

I suspect you're wasting your time asking those sorts of questions..

Answering it honestly means admitting that the UK never lost sovereignty when it was a member of the EU.

ThorMos 7th Mar 2021 16:49


Originally Posted by wiggy (Post 11003957)
I suspect you're wasting your time asking those sorts of questions..

Answering it honestly means admitting that the UK never lost sovereignty when it was a member of the EU.

Yeah, i was asking myself why i even bother...

Krystal n chips 7th Mar 2021 16:59

Public Health Warning : Scoured news ! ...and you wouldn't believe how deep I had to delve here...

Anyway, lets say it isn't good news....it appears that well known combination of Gov't planning and communication has continued in the time honoured tradition.....along with a few budget cuts.....thankfully, Dido's paltry £37bn escaped these ......Boris will doubtless class this state of affairs as being "oven ready " .

British ports say they are not ready for Brexit customs checks | Business | The Guardian

Denti 7th Mar 2021 17:58


Originally Posted by antheads (Post 11003912)
Scratch your head and have a think... it's staring you right in the face.. Britain has vaccinated 30 percent of it's population with the first jab. Germany a pitiful 6 percent, other EU countries far less. This will literally save thousands of lives and as we reach full vaccination the European Union will lag behind for months with more deaths. . If that isn't a benefit that can be seen as point of difference between how GB and EU work then i don't know what is. But it's so much easier to bleat about racism and muh Britain Bad

I wonder why so many brexiters confuse brexit with the exceptional vaccination rollout in the UK. And yes, as an EU citizen i have absolutely no problem admitting that the UK is quite a bit better at that than my own home country which is not hampered by the EU, but rather by its own complete ineptitude. But the UK vaccination program and emergency certification was done under EU rules, so has basically nothing to do with Brexit.

One thing to keep in mind however, while germany has only vaccinated around 6%, and around 3% with both doses (UK 1,6%), it also has managed to kill 70.000 fewer of its own citizens while having 20 million more inhabitants and suffering a far less economic decline. And of course, it has been able to offer free hospital capacity to its neighbors on all sides as it has a very high number of both ICU beds and staff for it.

Of course, as others here have pointed out, it is not the EU per se doing the vaccination program, in fact, until late summer 2020 the EU had absolutely no authority in anything health related except common standards. It was, and largely still is, in the authority of each member country. And each of those has its own and very unique health system with a very different setup compared to other EU countries.

handysnaks 7th Mar 2021 20:02


I wonder why so many brexiters confuse brexit with the exceptional vaccination rollout in the UK
It’s all they’ve got, and it keeps alive their hope that the EU collapses.

Arch Stanton 7th Mar 2021 20:15

‘Just give me one benefit of Brexit’
Well, one simpleton stuck his head above the parapet and claimed leaving the EU allowed us to vaccinate more people than if we had remained inside. That was debunked immediately.
So, can any brexiteer give us one example of a Brexit dividend. Please, please try, an extra 350 million quid a week for the NHS, or how well the fishing industry would succeed outside the EU?....anybody?

OilCan 7th Mar 2021 20:24

Well Trump, Putin, Xi Jinping and kim jong un all thought it was a good idea, what could go wrong? :uhoh:

highflyer40 7th Mar 2021 22:06


Originally Posted by antheads (Post 11003912)
Scratch your head and have a think... it's staring you right in the face.. Britain has vaccinated 30 percent of it's population with the first jab. Germany a pitiful 6 percent, other EU countries far less. This will literally save thousands of lives and as we reach full vaccination the European Union will lag behind for months with more deaths. . If that isn't a benefit that can be seen as point of difference between how GB and EU work then i don't know what is. But it's so much easier to bleat about racism and muh Britain Bad

This is the reason so many people voted leave. They donít have a clue! Being I the EU doesnít stop you from having your own vaccination program. You can go with theirs or go your own way. It is not such a dictatorial relationship as many believe. The better way to have gone as opposed to leaving would have been the German or french way. Do what they say when it benefits and disregard when it doesnít.

The biggest problem we ever had being in the EU was instead of looking at regulations and abiding to the letter, we had to abide by the whole bloody alphabet!!

highflyer40 7th Mar 2021 22:14


Originally Posted by handysnaks (Post 11004065)
Itís all theyíve got, and it keeps alive their hope that the EU collapses.

The EU will never collapse. Just like the US will never break apart. All through history areas/countries become more homogeneous. We may take a few steps back every now and then but in the main it is always the same. More integration. It may be 100 or even 300 years from now (if we make it that far. One of the reasons I think they have never found intelligent life in the universe yet. They destroy themselves) but there will be one world government, as it should be. If you really believe everyone is equal then everyone should have the same rights, benefits, opportunities as each other.

antheads 8th Mar 2021 08:35

Delusional Utopianism. The Ottoman Empire and the Soviet Union disagrees with you. Don't see a reintegration there after a 'step back.' For Greater Yugoslavia comrade! The European monetary experiment is nearly over thank god. It won't survive the next financial shock.

ATNotts 8th Mar 2021 08:44


Originally Posted by highflyer40 (Post 11004136)
The biggest problem we ever had being in the EU was instead of looking at regulations and abiding to the letter, we had to abide by the whole bloody alphabet!!

Nail hit firmly on the head; plus of course the usual suspects trying to blame the EU for red tape put in place domestically in the UK, whether by government, insurance companies, judges or whoever else.

ThorMos 8th Mar 2021 08:47


Originally Posted by antheads (Post 11004315)
Delusional Utopianism. The Ottoman Empire and the Soviet Union disagrees with you. Don't see a reintegration there after a 'step back.' For Greater Yugoslavia comrade! The European monetary experiment is nearly over thank god. It won't survive the next financial shock.

you forgot to mention the british empire...


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