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LTNman 7th Mar 2021 00:55

Worth having a look at this lot. These are the unelected EU commissioners that most people have never heard of. All of them are failed politicians voted out of office from the 27 member states backed up by a staff of 32,000. Remember Neil Kinnock.

It is worth scrolling down to read their individual biographies.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/comm...s/2019-2024_en

Imagegear 7th Mar 2021 03:17


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11003522)
Worth having a look at this lot. These are the unelected EU commissioners that most people have never heard of. All of them are failed politicians voted out of office from the 27 member states backed up by a staff of 32,000. Remember Neil Kinnock.

It is worth scrolling down to read their individual biographies.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/comm...s/2019-2024_en

It must be nice and comfortable on that gravy train, how would European countries ever manage without them.

Please Sir, can I have some more.

PS: "gasky" has it right, if we are to be regulated then lets regulate ourselves, we certainly don't need the EU's bloated bureaucracy to mess it up, vaccine strategy for example.

IG



Krystal n chips 7th Mar 2021 06:38

When you've managed to elevate yourself from being, as reported previously, a mediocre non-entity to a Lord whilst ostensibly "getting Brexit done ! " it's not surprising that you may feel you have to justify this ascendancy from time to time ...and who, and in what better way such as reverting to the tried and tested excuse of blaming those jolly unsporting types in the EU for example, than a certain Lord as the Torygraph kindly prints today.....

Newspaper headlines: Queen 'won't watch' interview, and EU 'ill will' - BBC News

A bit more about said Lord can be found here.....also mentioned are potential shortages and that long standing leave favourite " taking back control of our borders "....which is clearly going swimmingly well.....as planned.

Food scarcity fears prompt plan to ease post-Brexit checks on EU imports | Brexit | The Guardian

Data.....there are those, as we know, whose obsession with producing complex data is principally intended to be a reflection of themselves rather than to inform...data was much adored by a certain unlamented "D.C " for example.

Not such concerns however about that nice Mr Gove, and who would have thought he, of all people, with his long standing reputation for integrity and honesty, could make such an error......


UK Statistics Authority rebukes Gove over Brexit figures | Brexit | The Guardian

Dannyboy39 7th Mar 2021 07:37

On the talk of unelected bureaucrats, how are Dominic Cummings, Dido Harding, Allegra Stratton, Nicky Morgan et al coming along?

Dannyboy39 7th Mar 2021 07:47


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 11002454)
The very week of the referendum, BBC Question Time. farage, pulling his 'blue' passport from his jacket pocket and waving it around, claiming that this is what its all about. The woman in the audience claiming she didn't really understand the whole proces but, but bananas!!
It was enough to make you weep.

As for this photographic nonsense above, Last time I looked neither the UK civil service or the House of 'Lords' is elected. There is no difference.

The passport is bloody black I tell you!!

LTNman 7th Mar 2021 08:26


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11003589)
On the talk of unelected bureaucrats, how are Dominic Cummings, Dido Harding, Allegra Stratton, Nicky Morgan et al coming along?

Yes but their boss is accountable as is the Tory party so they can be voted out of office if people don’t like the above.

SWBKCB 7th Mar 2021 08:41


Oh it gets better. That nasty contaminated soil that is found in Great Britain and is a new massive danger to the EU but was just fine in December is banned from Northern Ireland with no extension allowed. This is just like EU fish that is caught in U.K. waters being fine while British fish caught in the very same waters being banned. Just shows how pathetic and petty the EU has become.
No - it's just the logical consequence of becoming a third country that our negotiators weren't aware of (unlikely) or didn't understand the consequences (possible). Long standing rules - has been previously posted, try taking this sort of stuff into most countries in the world without proper documentation and see what happens

SWBKCB 7th Mar 2021 08:45


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11003613)
Yes but their boss is accountable as is the Tory party so they can be voted out of office if people don’t like the above.

You can extend this principle to many of the European bureaucrats you moan about. The bulk of the Commission are employees like our own Civil Service and for those not appointments are made with the agreement of elected representatives of the various national govts.

Krystal n chips 7th Mar 2021 08:45

" Now we can look forward to a dysfunctional EU army run by committee."

Would that be, say, in contrast to the UK's M.o.D, an organisation famed for lean and seamless efficiency, along with procurement policies which are noted for ensuring tax payers money is spent without even a hint of miscalculation along with complete inter-Service cohesion then ?

Arm bands ?........always useful indeed I had a fetching orange one on 431 MU...gave complete protection from just about anything ...apart from purists that is.



Dannyboy39 7th Mar 2021 09:29


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11003613)
Yes but their boss is accountable as is the Tory party so they can be voted out of office if people don’t like the above.

So by this logic, European electorates can vote out the parliament every four years to change course.

The Tory party, I think has proven in recent weeks is clearly not accountable. If it was, Bojo wouldn't be in office any more. Breaking international law, misleading parliament, the previous administration being in contempt multiple times, breaking domestic law, having to settle out of court for bullying.

Sallyann1234 7th Mar 2021 09:55

I do find it rather odd that people want to blame the EU for what they themselves voted for.

Sallyann1234 7th Mar 2021 10:01


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11003608)
Oh it gets better. That nasty contaminated soil that is found in Great Britain and is a new massive danger to the EU but was just fine in December is banned from Northern Ireland with no extension allowed. This is just like EU fish that is caught in U.K. waters being fine while British fish caught in the very same waters being banned. Just shows how pathetic and petty the EU has become yet they wanted our vaccine. No problems there then just like they want our tourists.

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/po...omoted-3111265

From that same article:


But when the News Letter asked Secretary of State Brandon Lewis if he now accepted that there is a border in the Irish Sea – something he has denied – his department did not answer that question and instead responded by talking up “the opportunities leaving the EU brings”.
Whose fault is it, exactly, that we now have borders between nations of the UK? It's not something I voted for. Did you?

ATNotts 7th Mar 2021 10:40


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 11003665)
I do find it rather odd that people want to blame the EU for what they themselves voted for.

Well they were never going to take any sort of responsibility for their reckless stupidity were they? We (the "other side") knew what was going to happen, but the usual suspects simply waved everything away on the back of their own dogmatic, often nationalist and definitely "little england" mindsets.

The sooner Covid-19 has subsided from top story on every news bulletin the sooner the lies and damage that has been done to the UK by the 52% of those who voted for leave is given proper coverage and exposure the better. They carry a very heavy responsibility.

Dannyboy39 7th Mar 2021 11:24

Meanwhile, another unelected bureaucrat Richard Tice has been given the leadership of the Reform Party, formerly the Brexit Party, after Farage stood down yesterday.

Yep, no election, just a coronation. May as well just rename it the UK Trump Party.

The Nip 7th Mar 2021 12:18


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11003646)
So by this logic, European electorates can vote out the parliament every four years to change course.

The Tory party, I think has proven in recent weeks is clearly not accountable. If it was, Bojo wouldn't be in office any more. Breaking international law, misleading parliament, the previous administration being in contempt multiple times, breaking domestic law, having to settle out of court for bullying.

Can you give the example of the PM of having actually broken international law?

WB627 7th Mar 2021 12:35

That's a probably a bit harsh on LTNman, I suspect the truth is that he and any others believed what they were told and expected Boris, Gove et al to deliver all their promises that have since turned out to be lies including -

1/ The lie on the side of a bus ie £350m a week for the NHS, could do with that right now
2/ 'The easiest trade deal in human history'
3/ The UK economy is performing strongly
4/ No Single Market For Services - Michael Gove. “At the moment we do not have a single market for services even within the European Union.
5/ No forms, no checks, no barriers...
6/ “If we vote to leave then I think the union will be stronger” - Michael Gove.
7/ Remaining in the Customs Union would mean pottery businesses would “go to the wall”. – Former Trade Minister, Greg Hands
8/ No Barriers To Trade
9/ No Regression On Rights
10/ "I think most of the work has already been done. We already start from a position where the EU and the UK is aligned, we’re agreed on all the key principles.” – Sajid Javid
11/ We Will Negotiate A Trade Deal In 11 Months
12/ Migrants are stealing Briton’s jobs and the UK would have control over its borders.
13/ UK Sovereignty is at stake.
14/ "There is no reason why the UK’s only land border (Ireland) should be any less open after Brexit than it is today.” Theresa Villiers
15/ “The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.” Michael Gove
16/ “Not a single job would be lost because of Brexit,” Lord Digby Jones.
17/ "We will maintain a free flowing border at Dover." Chris Grayling
18/ “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market,” Daniel Hannan MEP
19/ No fish quotas there any prospect of security checks returning to the border.
20/ There is no prospect of security checks returning to the (Irish) border. Theresa Villiers

And my personal favourite and why my my cousin voted leave,
21/ You will have to give up your spare bedroom to an EU migrant - I kid you not

Which is probably why so many people believed 1 to 19 and voted leave.

Feel free to add to the list. I am sure there are lots more.


grottyyottie 7th Mar 2021 12:37

Professional Pilots Rumours Network
 
And we congratulate Lord Frost today, ( Daily Telegraph etc.) for telling the EU to stop sulking, using ill will against us and to move forwards.
However, as middle east travellers will be reminded, once a goat #### has commenced, it is quite difficult to stop.
There it is again......attitudes and behaviours when cultures collide.
Standard NATO please Sonia... white with one sugar and stirred to the right in the northern hemisphere.
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ATNotts 7th Mar 2021 13:25


Originally Posted by Jonty (Post 11003782)
Our current government was voted for by a minority of voters. Such is our version of “democracy”

Indeed, many countries that we view as having questionable democratic credentials manage to use a system that ensures at least to some extent that the votes cast for various parties at least get close to being replicated in the seats held in the parliament, and often in two elected assemblies. The UK elects majority governments often with only a third of the popular vote, and worse its upper chamber isn't even elected but based on political cronyism and historical privilege, with a sprinkling of equally unelected and represented ministers of just one religion to boot. It is a democratic disgrace.

And after all that there are people here whinging about the EU's lack of accountability. You simply couldn't make it up.

Sallyann1234 7th Mar 2021 14:28


Originally Posted by WB627 (Post 11003759)
That's a probably a bit harsh on LTNman, I suspect the truth is that he and any others believed what they were told and expected Boris, Gove et al to deliver all their promises that have since turned out to be lies including -

1/ The lie on the side of a bus ie £350m a week for the NHS, could do with that right now
2/ 'The easiest trade deal in human history'
3/ The UK economy is performing strongly
4/ No Single Market For Services - Michael Gove. “At the moment we do not have a single market for services even within the European Union.
5/ No forms, no checks, no barriers...
6/ “If we vote to leave then I think the union will be stronger” - Michael Gove.
7/ Remaining in the Customs Union would mean pottery businesses would “go to the wall”. – Former Trade Minister, Greg Hands
8/ No Barriers To Trade
9/ No Regression On Rights
10/ "I think most of the work has already been done. We already start from a position where the EU and the UK is aligned, we’re agreed on all the key principles.” – Sajid Javid
11/ We Will Negotiate A Trade Deal In 11 Months
12/ Migrants are stealing Briton’s jobs and the UK would have control over its borders.
13/ UK Sovereignty is at stake.
14/ "There is no reason why the UK’s only land border (Ireland) should be any less open after Brexit than it is today.” Theresa Villiers
15/ “The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.” Michael Gove
16/ “Not a single job would be lost because of Brexit,” Lord Digby Jones.
17/ "We will maintain a free flowing border at Dover." Chris Grayling
18/ “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market,” Daniel Hannan MEP
19/ No fish quotas there any prospect of security checks returning to the border.
20/ There is no prospect of security checks returning to the (Irish) border. Theresa Villiers

And my personal favourite and why my my cousin voted leave,
21/ You will have to give up your spare bedroom to an EU migrant - I kid you not

Which is probably why so many people believed 1 to 19 and voted leave.

Feel free to add to the list. I am sure there are lots more.

22. "Turkey will join EU in 2020 and millions will move to UK under freedom of movement" - Michael Gove

Effluent Man 7th Mar 2021 15:29

Interesting that the Leave voters I know are all old, Ill educated and for the most part poor men.


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