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WB627 23rd Feb 2021 17:47

Mr Mac
This is the somewhat disappointing reply I got from customer services....


Thanks for getting in touch. I'm sorry that we don't have British prawns.

We want to offer our customers the best quality products throughout the year. We source our own brand products according to the ability of the producer to meet our quality, safety and ethical standards. We then give our customers the opportunity to make their own decisions by labelling our own brand products clearly and accurately. However, we think this is so important that we've committed to doubling the amount of British food we sell.

We never want to let our customers down and I've logged your feedback on our system and shared it with our buying team for them to review. We'll continue to look at customer feedback as a way to help us improve our service.

We are grateful to you for taking the time to write to us. I do hope I have helped reassure you of our commitment to our customers and we will see you back in store again soon.
All those prawns rotting on the dockside and no interest in them from one of our largest supermarkets. There is an opportunity for our supermarkets and even the smaller retailers to source more food from the UK, rather than flying it in from half way round the world, with all the benefits that would go with that. All we need is some labour to pick the fruit and veg :ugh:


ATNotts 23rd Feb 2021 18:11


Originally Posted by WB627 (Post 10996351)
Mr Mac
This is the somewhat disappointing reply I got from customer services....



All those prawns rotting on the dockside and no interest in them from one of our largest supermarkets. There is an opportunity for our supermarkets and even the smaller retailers to source more food from the UK, rather than flying it in from half way round the world, with all the benefits that would go with that. All we need is some labour to pick the fruit and veg :ugh:

You could probably fill you corporate "bullshit bingo" card twice over with that response from Sainsburys!! Top and bottom of it is probably that paying a Vietnamese worker half a dong a week to process them makes sourcing prawns from UK as unviable! That said, our local fishmonger sells frozen, raw prawns, but he too sources them from Southeast Asia, probably via Billingsgate. Is it perhaps that there just aren't enough langoustine available in our waters? I believe the Asian ones are farmed. They also sell those monster prawns that I think come from Mozambique - they cost a small fortune and I've never tried one.

Krystal n chips 23rd Feb 2021 18:21

Mr Mac.

" but the great British public in general do not, and that is the problem, as the market was and still is Europe, and not say Tamworth "

Whilst not scientificm as such, I would suggest from my own comprehensive observational analysis c/o both the High and Low level stations, plus venturing further ( daylight hours only ) into town over the years, that, fish is not a prominent part of the local diet.

There's a very good programme "Cornwall, This fishing life " on at present which has shown how the fishing industry was conned, no other term for it, and how fragile their occupation has become. That, and as you say, the migration of some species to colder waters. There were a few "wry smiles " shall we say on a recent programme as to how auction sales prices were arrived at....prior to landing.

Mr Mac 23rd Feb 2021 19:39


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10996375)
You could probably fill you corporate "bullshit bingo" card twice over with that response from Sainsburys!! Top and bottom of it is probably that paying a Vietnamese worker half a dong a week to process them makes sourcing prawns from UK as unviable! That said, our local fishmonger sells frozen, raw prawns, but he too sources them from Southeast Asia, probably via Billingsgate. Is it perhaps that there just aren't enough langoustine available in our waters? I believe the Asian ones are farmed. They also sell those monster prawns that I think come from Mozambique - they cost a small fortune and I've never tried one.

ATNotts
Personally I find the North Atlantic prawns sweeter than the tropical fresh water varieties which always need some sauce to make them taste of anything and can be a bit tough I find. Crevettes the large salt water prawns are more tasty but as you say expensive. I have seen shoals of them when Game fishing off Kenya and Mozambique usually accompanied by Yellow Fin Tuna / GT which is why we fish when they are about.
Cheers
Mr Mac

Mr Mac 23rd Feb 2021 19:40


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips (Post 10996380)
Mr Mac.

" but the great British public in general do not, and that is the problem, as the market was and still is Europe, and not say Tamworth "

Whilst not scientificm as such, I would suggest from my own comprehensive observational analysis c/o both the High and Low level stations, plus venturing further ( daylight hours only ) into town over the years, that, fish is not a prominent part of the local diet.

There's a very good programme "Cornwall, This fishing life " on at present which has shown how the fishing industry was conned, no other term for it, and how fragile their occupation has become. That, and as you say, the migration of some species to colder waters. There were a few "wry smiles " shall we say on a recent programme as to how auction sales prices were arrived at....prior to landing.

KnC
I will have a look at the Cornish fishing program when I get sometime.
cheers
Mr Mac

occasional 23rd Feb 2021 20:14


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10996049)
The government now needs to have a massive campaign to get the UK "housewife" to buy fresh seafish, and to broaden their horizons so that more Monkfish, John Dory, Spider Crab, Grey Mullet etc etc gets consumed here to take up the excess.

I have a suspicion that the problem is not fish at all, but the way that restaurants are taxed, which means that it is very difficult to set up a low-overhead bistro-style restaurant in the UK and that, if you want to eat good British fish and shellfish, you will get better value travelling to Spain than eating the same fish in Britain.
And it tends to be restaurants that introduce people to new food.

Effluent Man 23rd Feb 2021 20:39


Originally Posted by occasional (Post 10996420)
I have a suspicion that the problem is not fish at all, but the way that restaurants are taxed, which means that it is very difficult to set up a low-overhead bistro-style restaurant in the UK and that, if you want to eat good British fish and shellfish, you will get better value travelling to Spain than eating the same fish in Britain.
And it tends to be restaurants that introduce people to new food.

I ran a restaurant briefly. Access to the best, freshest fish direct from the boats ten minutes drive away. We used to reckon that 50% of customers ordered steaks. I offered fresh Dover Sole for same price as a steak but very little interest. The vast majority of those ordering fish were female.

occasional 23rd Feb 2021 20:51

Sounds like the ideal restaurant for the post-Brexit world !
Where was it ?

Effluent Man 23rd Feb 2021 20:54


Originally Posted by occasional (Post 10996434)
Sounds like the ideal restaurant for the post-Brexit world !
Where was it ?

A village called Wangford just inland from Southwold.

ATNotts 24th Feb 2021 11:04


Originally Posted by occasional (Post 10996420)
I have a suspicion that the problem is not fish at all, but the way that restaurants are taxed, which means that it is very difficult to set up a low-overhead bistro-style restaurant in the UK and that, if you want to eat good British fish and shellfish, you will get better value travelling to Spain than eating the same fish in Britain.
And it tends to be restaurants that introduce people to new food.

That and the onerous hygiene regulations and bureaucracy, most of which comes from the UK government. There is however an excellent small bistro type Italian restaurant local to us that is extremely well rated (nationally) and doesn't charge the earth, though significantly more than the awful pub chain "restaurants" that are more akin to a school dining room, with food quality to match. This Italian seats around 30 covers, but only opens (when opening was actually possible!) 4 evening per week, plus lunchtime Fri/Sun, proving it can work, though I doubt the owner is in the market for a Range Rover any time soon!

Krystal n chips 24th Feb 2021 17:25

Now this looks like a book worth buying.....the first paragraph of this report starts very well, albeit not telling us anything new about Boris....the second suggests she may have browsed JB with her assessment of those she mentions.

The review gets better and better really......obviously, as she's French, then as a citizen of one of the two premier UK scapegoat nations in the EU, she will be duly ridiculed and disparaged....oh, and she mentions the war as well....

Consequently, her views and analysis will be worth reading and probably far too close to factual home truths for many on here and across the UK. Hopefully, she'll get a few television promotion spots and interviews as well.

Boris Johnson 'a liar' who will blame Brexit costs on Covid, says diplomat | Boris Johnson | The Guardian

SWBKCB 24th Feb 2021 17:34

Also gives Cameron a kicking - good. :ok:

Ancient Observer 24th Feb 2021 17:44

Is she selling her book?

Any book sale needs some sort of "hook". She won't sell books by calling politicians liars. We already know that.

All politicians are economical with the truth.

KelvinD 24th Feb 2021 17:53


Originally Posted by occasional (Post 10996420)
I have a suspicion that the problem is not fish at all, but the way that restaurants are taxed, which means that it is very difficult to set up a low-overhead bistro-style restaurant in the UK and that, if you want to eat good British fish and shellfish, you will get better value travelling to Spain than eating the same fish in Britain.
And it tends to be restaurants that introduce people to new food.

You may be right, I don't know but the question of Rick Stein comes to mind. During the recent BBC2 series on fishing in Cornwall, it was mentioned that he now operates multiple sea food restaurants in Padstow alone. (Can't remember the number but something like half a dozen, maybe more!)

ORAC 24th Feb 2021 17:53

If she thinks the British, especially those who voted leave, hate the Germans, she really doesn't understand the British - which explains a lot.

Respect for them, though in some grudging, both as past warriors and for how they rebuilt their country. Even more grudging respect mixed with a little jealousy over football. But I don't recognise the claim of hatred at all.

Mind you, she's spot on about the view of the French.....

It reminds me of when I was working in Paris on a NATO contract and shared an office with a retired French Air Force officer called Rene.

One day, as it was nearing VE day we fell to talking about the upcoming French public holiday, at which point Rene asked me why we, the British, did not also celebrate it with a holiday?

Rene, I explained, kindly, if the British took a day off for every war we'd won, we'd never get any work done at all*.....

(* for those who miss it - it was a joke...)

wiggy 24th Feb 2021 18:01


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10996946)
If she thinks the British, especially those who voted leave, hate the Germans, she really doesn't understand the British - which explains a lot.

No C&P :rolleyes:?

From the piece in question-


She also claims some Brexiters are consumed with hatred for Germany
(My emphasis)

LowNSlow 24th Feb 2021 18:03

KnC, she is an accomplished professional politician, one with an obvious liking of the Oriental side of life given her educational and work location choices. This is also reflected in her description of the UK as

and which Xi Jinping had elected in October 2015 as the gateway to Europe, at the dawn of a golden period,
.

Regarding the rest of the comments, unsurprisingly, most governments around the world will be hiding the costs of assorted cockups under the Covid blanket, the UK will not be alone in this!

Krystal n chips 24th Feb 2021 18:17


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 10996951)
KnC, she is an accomplished professional politician, one with an obvious liking of the Oriental side of life given her educational and work location choices. This is also reflected in her description of the UK as .

Regarding the rest of the comments, unsurprisingly, most governments around the world will be hiding the costs of assorted cockups under the Covid blanket, the UK will not be alone in this!

Correct, except you forgot to mention when it comes to Covid cock ups, the UK is truly "world beating " and has a lot to hide, the UK politics thread offers an insight in this respect, plus, well, sweeping the effects and fallacies of Brexit under the carpet means a very large surface area is required. Funnily enough, the same point was raised by Cathy Newman last night on C4 News interviewing one Mr Eustace....his body language suggested she had touched a nerve....now why would that be do you think ?

ATNotts 24th Feb 2021 18:23


Originally Posted by KelvinD (Post 10996945)
You may be right, I don't know but the question of Rick Stein comes to mind. During the recent BBC2 series on fishing in Cornwall, it was mentioned that he now operates multiple sea food restaurants in Padstow alone. (Can't remember the number but something like half a dozen, maybe more!)

I seem to recall Padstow being referred to a "Padstein" by some wags!

Effluent Man 25th Feb 2021 07:17

A report on R4 business this morning suggests that financial services may be in for a rough ride. It seems that the Brexit agreement completely failed to address this particular area. Maybe they were focused on the fishing..oh hang on!


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