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ATNotts 11th Feb 2021 22:39


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10988822)

A Spectator columnist would say that, wouldn't they?

ORAC 11th Feb 2021 22:56


A Spectator columnist would say that, wouldn't they?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_Lyons

In 2010 and 2011, Lyons' team at Standard Chartered was ranked as the top forecasting team globally by Bloomberg. Prior to this Lyons reinforced his own reputation as an accurate forecaster with being one of two British economists predicting in August 2008, a month before Lehman Brothers collapsed, a deep imminent recession. He anticipated a GDP fall of 1.6% for the third quarter of 2008 when the consensus predicted a rise of 0.9%.

Because of his connection with Johnson and knowledge of emerging economies, he was considered for the 2019 appointment of Governor of the Bank of England.”.....

Effluent Man 12th Feb 2021 08:55

From The Excess today : Biden to replace London with Amsterdam to ensure critical spot in the EU. It just keeps on getting better!

Krystal n chips 12th Feb 2021 09:35

Brexit ! a "world beating, oven ready, easiest deal ( that's enough mantra's, Ed ) success !..."

Clearly, as the ever so slight discrepancy as to who is going to be the biggest loser here comes from the EU, then obviously their accounting practices are nowhere near as efficient as the UK's......

Brexit cost will be four times greater for UK than EU, Brussels forecasts | Brexit | The Guardian

wiggy 12th Feb 2021 14:04


Originally Posted by hec7or (Post 10988776)
It's "peddling" not pedalling wiggy.

Gove peddles his version of the truth and Boris pedals his Boris Bike...:)

Thank you for spotting that...I will right out 100 times :E:E

I've seen more very pointed analysis today of the utter rowlocks (Sp again:E) Mr Gove/ Downing street were peddling yesterday about the Article in question, but in the interests of letting the forum flow I'll resist starting another round of C&P ...

Effluent Man 12th Feb 2021 22:22

That terrible EU....

2010. UK along with other EU members passes legislation banning third country unprocessed shellfish into the EU.

2011. Legislation enforced.

2021. UK leaves EU and becomes third country whose unprocessed shellfish imports into the EU are banned.

wowzz 12th Feb 2021 23:26


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 10989561)
That terrible EU....

2010. UK along with other EU members passes legislation banning third country unprocessed shellfish into the EU.

2011. Legislation enforced.

2021. UK leaves EU and becomes third country whose unprocessed shellfish imports into the EU are banned.

With regard to this particular issue, your name seems especially apt!

LTNman 13th Feb 2021 06:08

Brexit lorry chaos avoided as freight flows 'back to normal' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56044610

Krystal n chips 13th Feb 2021 06:41


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10989698)
Very disappointing news for many here. I am sure though that some will twist the report around.

Brexit lorry chaos avoided as freight flows 'back to normal' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56044610

Now why would anybody want to twist this around ?..after all, it's just the sort of uplifting Blighty does it best ! news we've been waiting for .....a nations morale set to soar as a result !....of course, there may just be several other little problems around and waiting to have an impact, but, in the interim before they arrive, let's all knock back those celebratory pints of lukewarm British mild or bitter !......and ham sandwiches ....and at this rate, that nice Mr Gove and Nige may even venture to Kent to accept the plaudits from a grateful populace....apart from those whose landscapes have been converted into concrete and tarmac truck stops that is.

Please enjoy the astute observations of Ms Hyde in the same way.....

From Farage’s flotilla to rotting exports – it’s the story of Brexit, in fish | Brexit | The Guardian

KelvinD 13th Feb 2021 06:51


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10989698)
Brexit lorry chaos avoided as freight flows 'back to normal' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56044610

I see you have edited this post to remove the challenge you threw out there when you mentioned something along the lines of there will be people along to challenge (or was it twist) even this report.
So, I am reporting for challenging duty. I suspect you had only read the headline when you originally posted this. Reading deeper into it, you come across things like '2,000 lorries per day leaving the UK empty'. If the UK/EU trade balance was measured in lorries, rather than pounds, euros etc that would mean a 2,000 lorries per day deficit in the import/export figures.
Other paragraphs refer to 50% of lorry traffic going to Europe empty, both via ferry and Eurotunnel.

wiggy 13th Feb 2021 07:38


Originally Posted by KelvinD (Post 10989708)
So, I am reporting for challenging duty. I suspect you had only read the headline when you originally posted this. Reading deeper into it,.

:ok: There's even a nice bullet point in the BBC piece stating


  • a notable rise in the number of empty lorries returning from Great Britain to the European Union,


Effluent Man 13th Feb 2021 08:46

From Failing Grayling to Useless Eustace.

Krystal n chips 14th Feb 2021 14:23

Always good to work in round figures, makes life so much easier really, and, they just trip of the tongue.

The not so little matter of the adverse effects during this 10 year, and beyond, period being blissfully ignored......

Raab shrugs off Brexit troubles, urging people to take ‘10-year view’ | Brexit | The Guardian

ATNotts 14th Feb 2021 15:15


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips (Post 10990499)
Always good to work in round figures, makes life so much easier really, and, they just trip of the tongue.

The not so little matter of the adverse effects during this 10 year, and beyond, period being blissfully ignored......

Raab shrugs off Brexit troubles, urging people to take ‘10-year view’ | Brexit | The Guardian

Saw the Raab interview with Marr this morning and thought he was very uncomfortable when pressed on what his government's policy has done to British industry.

So many businesses set up in UK as a gateway into the EU, and as a direct result of Tory / ERG policy those businesses are now virtually unviable.

He keeps banging on out the alleged opportunities for UK businesses in the growing markets in Asia, but forgets that all those advantages were available from inside the EU.

For business, whether manufacturers or traders Brexit is one enormous shambles.

Torquetalk 14th Feb 2021 15:32


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10990519)
Saw the Raab interview with Marr this morning and thought he was very uncomfortable when pressed on what his government's policy has done to British industry.

So many businesses set up in UK as a gateway into the EU, and as a direct result of Tory / ERG policy those businesses are now virtually unviable.

He keeps banging on out the alleged opportunities for UK businesses in the growing markets in Asia, but forgets that all those advantages were available from inside the EU.

For business, whether manufacturers or traders Brexit is one enormous shambles.

Ah, but it is a sovereign, self-determined shambles. And THAT is what matters.

Krystal n chips 14th Feb 2021 16:12

And a little closer to home.....

UK airlines warn of job losses as they lose business to Brexit | Airline industry | The Guardian

PR0PWASH 15th Feb 2021 08:38


opportunities for UK businesses in the growing markets in Asia, but forgets that all those advantages were available from inside the EU.
No in practical terms outside of huge reams of lawyer created paper-reality they were not and no matter how many times this remoaner lie is repeated it doesn't make it true.
Any deals made which inevitably would be dependent on reciprocal acceptance of service/product import agreements (which is how business works btw) where subject to EU regs, approval and interminable bureaucracy (this is how business doesn't work btw) and is something which stopped many such deals before they got off the ground in the last decade

Krystal n chips 15th Feb 2021 09:44

I know, this is where the UK's demise all began....naturally, the British, being the British, managed to come up with a half baked compromise thus ensuring nothing as complex as metric would ever become more prominent than our incredibly simple Imperial units.....

https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...decimalisation

ATNotts 15th Feb 2021 09:57


Originally Posted by PR0PWASH (Post 10990862)
No in practical terms outside of huge reams of lawyer created paper-reality they were not and no matter how many times this remoaner lie is repeated it doesn't make it true.
Any deals made which inevitably would be dependent on reciprocal acceptance of service/product import agreements (which is how business works btw) where subject to EU regs, approval and interminable bureaucracy (this is how business doesn't work btw) and is something which stopped many such deals before they got off the ground in the last decade

I believe you are labouring on an incorrect assumption. For normal dry goods (not agribusiness of sensitive products that may require export licences) exporting from the EU (the UK before 31st December last year) was and remains reasonably straightforward. Commercial invoices for most countries, the awkward squad requiring inspection certificates and other obstructions of that nature, not to mention the eternal problem of getting paid from some countries that as a result require letters of credit. I worked for many years for a UK / German business that exported constantly to third countries and there were NO ISSUES.

Given how successful countries like Germany, Italy and France are at exporting their manufactured products into these fast growing economies in Asia it would seem very doubtful if a pile of new regulation that make exporting difficult have come in in recent years. In fact the greatest problem is probably the USA inflecting it's trade embargoes on foreign subsidiaries, and on the suppliers to US companies.

I would be interested to see concrete examples of all these onerous "EU regs, approval and interminable bureaucracy" effecting exports from the EU to Asian countries. So far as imports are concerned do you seriously believe that the UK is going to make it any easier for countries worldwide to dump their products here at sub market prices? This is what the "bureaucracy" you mention is primarily there to prevent.

Mr. Mac

If you're too busy, perhaps you could enlighten us on the true situation, being involved, as I understand it, in international trade both from UK and EU.

alfaman 15th Feb 2021 09:58


Originally Posted by PR0PWASH (Post 10990862)
No in practical terms outside of huge reams of lawyer created paper-reality they were not and no matter how many times this remoaner lie is repeated it doesn't make it true.
Any deals made which inevitably would be dependent on reciprocal acceptance of service/product import agreements (which is how business works btw) where subject to EU regs, approval and interminable bureaucracy (this is how business doesn't work btw) and is something which stopped many such deals before they got off the ground in the last decade

And your evidence for those "stopped ideas" is what exactly? Doesn't seem to be stopping Germany or any of the other EU countries from innovating.


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