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Fly Aiprt 12th Aug 2019 21:08


Originally Posted by yellowtriumph (Post 10543350)
My bold. Do you have any credible evidence to back your assertion up?

Just reading the posts on this forum


yellowtriumph 12th Aug 2019 21:10


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10543394)
Reading on here and Daily Mail would give people a snapshot.

Having said that my neighbour is a bit like that but he is an out and out racist as well.

I did say 'credible' rather than anecdotal.

In fairness, a simple search on Google does indeed reveal several cases as described by 'Don't Hang Up'. The thrust of my query is that the claim is made of a substantial proportion of Brexit supporters consider any remainder to be a traitor to their country. I contend this claim is simply unsupportable. But I suppose we must simply move on.

yellowtriumph 12th Aug 2019 21:16


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10543434)
Just reading the posts on this forum


I see, so you are saying "a substantial proportion of Brexit supporters on this thread consider any remainer to be a traitor to their country", Care to substantiate that with numbers, as in 'substantial' numbers?

Effluent Man 12th Aug 2019 21:36

My 75 year old SiL nearly physically attacked me when I called round and opened the conversation with "Brexit's going well I see".

Fly Aiprt 12th Aug 2019 21:37


Originally Posted by yellowtriumph (Post 10543447)
I see, so you are saying "a substantial proportion of Brexit supporters on this thread consider any remainer to be a traitor to their country", Care to substantiate that with numbers, as in 'substantial' numbers?

You are disputing the statement, you are the one do disprove it ;-)


yellowtriumph 12th Aug 2019 21:41

Interesting comments from John Bolton, particularly about agreeing a trade deal on a sector by sector basis.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49325620

WingNut60 12th Aug 2019 21:47


Some Australian food and drink products would need to be re-named under strict changes proposed by the European Union under a proposed free trade deal.
But Trade Minister Simon Birmingham has vowed to drive a "very hard bargain" with the EU, which is pursuing the product name issue in its negotiations with the federal government.
The EU wants protections for food and drink brands in its region, and if it's successful Australian feta-makers could be forced to refer to their cheese as "Australian feta".
Local spirits producers would also need to avoid using the term "Scotch whiskey".
Someone at the EU must think that Scotland will be "remaining".

racedo 12th Aug 2019 22:12


Originally Posted by yellowtriumph (Post 10543463)
Interesting comments from John Bolton, particularly about agreeing a trade deal on a sector by sector basis.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49325620

Come on, its John Bolton, US of National Security Advisor answering questions. He has Sweet FA to do with trade agreements and more interested in starting wars with everyone on the planet as stated by his boss.

The head of US Congress Ways and Means committee who said a couple of weeks ago "If UK damage Good Friday Agreement, they have zero chance of getting ANY trade deal through Congress" is the one to listen to. They would just hold it up for years irrespective of who is in the White House or which party holds Congress.

Remember lots of other European countrys have ties in to Congress who will express similar viewpoints. Nancy Pelosi was the one who siad that Friends of Ireland Caucus in Congress is second only to Israel in its impact hence a trade deal would take years.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...liticians-warn



Economics101 12th Aug 2019 22:20

She hasn't gone away, you know:


Caroline Lucas apologises for omitting BAME women from proposal
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-from-proposal

Jack D 13th Aug 2019 00:02


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 10543468)
Someone at the EU must think that Scotland will be "remaining".

It,s ok Whiskey is either Irish or from N America
whereas Whisky is Scottish.

Scotch whiskey doesn’t exist yet, so as a new product no need to change the name

WingNut60 13th Aug 2019 01:22


Originally Posted by Jack D (Post 10543533)


It,s ok Whiskey is either Irish or from N America
whereas Whisky is Scottish.

Scotch whiskey doesn’t exist yet, so as a new product no need to change the name

Oops. Missed that.

gupta 13th Aug 2019 04:44

G'day Krystal

We are not Hong Kong old boy

the Northern Territories
It's the Northern Territory
You've been here so no excuses

Cheers

ORAC 13th Aug 2019 05:53

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...uld-back-boris

Public would back Boris Johnson if he shut down Parliament to deliver Brexit, poll suggests

A ComRes study for The Telegraph found that 54% of the public agree that the Prime Minister "needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending Parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs from stopping it"........

The ComRes also found widespread disillusionment with MPs themselves, with 88% of those polled feeling Parliament is "out of touch" with the British public. Some 89% feel MPs "ignore the wishes of voters and push their own agendas" on Brexit.

Meanwhile there was strong opposition to involving the Queen in Britain's deadlock over Europe, with more than three-quarters (77%) saying she should "remain above politics and refuse to get involved in Brexit".......

BORIS BOUNCE 'REAL'

The poll also revealed that the Conservatives have widened their lead over the Brexit Party by 15% since Mr Johnson became Prime Minister. The party is now polling at 31% of the vote, compared to 27% for Labour and 16% each for the Brexit Party and the Liberal Democrats.

ComRes chairman Andrew Hawkins said: "With the largest Tory lead over Labour from ComRes this year, this poll is confirmation that the Boris Bounce is real and shows no sign of disappearing despite the Parliamentary break. Boris’s support has been boosted by him outperforming expectations, including among a third of Labour and Lib Dem voters.

"It will not be lost on Jeremy Corbyn as he contemplates attempting to call a vote of no confidence that Boris could win an election with barely a third of the vote because support is so fragmented across all the parties.

"If Boris can deliver Brexit, without too much collateral damage to the economy, he stands to win big.........



Krystal n chips 13th Aug 2019 05:59


Originally Posted by gupta (Post 10543617)
G'day Krystal

We are not Hong Kong old boy

It's the Northern Territory
You've been here so no excuses

Cheers

Shurley shum mishtake ?......one has never been to the N.T albeit one planned to go until fate intervened with fate taking priority hence the acquisition of a second hand mobility scooter for her this week for example. Trust me, when it comes to exploiting a captive market, some in this sector have well developed expertise here .

Back to more pressing matters and the visit of Mr Bolton..aka "The Enforcer ".

It's interesting to read about the modular approach this being far more subtle than a wholesale grab in one go. This way, the insidious take overs aren't going to attract any inconvenient public anger plus, it's nice of Donald to allow the UK Protectorate to get Brexit finished with before addressing a certain Chinese telecoms issue.....not that the USA has any issues with China of course.

But further into the report, and the one from the BBC, is the mention of Bolton's forte......war.......and how pleased he is about the change of heart concerning the UK's approach now Treeza is back in her wheat fields and fearless Boris will do precisely as he's told by committing UK forces when and wherever the USA demands.

Boris and his charm offensive ......not that any charm is involved, Boris being completely offensive without any cosmetic addition , or rather letting the public (voters ) know his generosity with tax payers money is theoretically for their own good because , as we know, it's all about ensuring Boris remains spot welded in No 10

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ls-says-bolton

For those on here, and even in the real world ( thanks to ORAC for mentioning a certain poll in this respect ) convinced Boris is going to be the liberator of the UK. this article will probably just be dismissed as "scaremongering " but please note the author and her former role.......

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-economic-pain

dr dre 13th Aug 2019 06:04


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10543639)
"If Boris can deliver Brexit, without too much collateral damage to the economy, he stands to win big.........

Or he just needs to somehow delay the inevitable economic downturn from a no deal Brexit until after the next election, or into the next goverment’s Term of office to win big.

Or he just needs to pass off a new negotiated agreement as “great for Britain” (when in effect it’s no better than the previous withdrawal agreement) and he’ll look like the “hero who stood up to the EU and won concessions at the last minute” and win big.


Pontius Navigator 13th Aug 2019 06:58


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10543461)
You are disputing the statement, you are the one do disprove it ;-)

That is not how academic argument goes. If you make a statement then you should be prepared to substantiate it and quote a souce.

If in the other hand you disagree then you should refute it. Again it should be substantiated with sources.

Subtle difference.

ORAC 13th Aug 2019 07:02

A comment I am now hearing repeatedly at Conservative meetings is along the lines of....

”In the past we’re the ones who have had to turn the economy and finances around after Labour has wrecked everything and spent everything; only for them to get elected and do the same thing over again. This time let’s the spend the money first on what we think it should be spent on.....”

Sallyann1234 13th Aug 2019 07:58


Originally Posted by Jack D (Post 10543533)


It,s ok Whiskey is either Irish or from N America
whereas Whisky is Scottish.

Scotch whiskey doesn’t exist yet, so as a new product no need to change the name

Does your D stand for Daniels? :)

ORAC 13th Aug 2019 08:32

Perhaps he’s a Bourbon?.......

101917 13th Aug 2019 08:57

Sovereignty
 
For those amongst you who thought Cameron brought back nothing worthwhile from Brussels you may wish to read that agreement again. In particular the bit regarding Sovereignty.

Many voted to leave so that the UK would regain/get its sovereignty back. Something we had never lost and would not lose in the future.

There were also many other myths that the leave campaign would have us believe that were also totally false.

This was part of the agreement Cameron brought back from Brussels.

SOVEREIGNTY

1. It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union. The substance of this will be incorporated into the Treaties at the time of their next revision in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Treaties and the respective constitutional requirements of the Member States, so as to make it clear that the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom.”


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