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NutLoose 12th Apr 2019 09:38


Labourís Diane Abbott hints at free movement policy shift

Labour will put economic prosperity ahead of ending free movement of people from the EU in any compromise Brexit deal, shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott has insisted, in a significant change in tone on post-Brexit immigration policy.



https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...hift-1-4906123




That of course depends on if she has got her free's and fours mixed up again ;)


Sallyann1234 12th Apr 2019 09:40


Originally Posted by Dr Jekyll (Post 10445743)
A better analogy I'm self employed with a set of regular clients. A trade association incorporating a significant minority of my clients and suppliers insists on restricting my access to suppliers outside their organisation in order to protect their overpriced producers, and demands restrictive working practices even when I'm working for clients outside their club in order to restrict my competitiveness. If I leave I can save a fortune in subscriptions and still trade with members of the organisation, while being able to trade with the majority of my suppliers and clients without the previous restrictions. The bank manager wonders why I haven't already left.

Then why haven't you?

Pontius Navigator 12th Apr 2019 11:16


Originally Posted by virginblue (Post 10445823)
Strictly speaking, the plastic bag charge was, however, a government idea. Because Directive 2015/720 only requires member states to reduce single-use plastic bag use by 50% by 2017 and 80% by 2019. It does not say
anything about how it has to be done or stipulates a plastic bag charge.

Correct, I said it was a measure to comply, not that the EU decreed that measure.

Just it is typical that Government will claim a 'good idea' for itself and blame the EU when it proves unpopular or unworkable.

old,not bold 12th Apr 2019 11:38

Donald Tusk, addressing the British people directly, asked them not to waste the time offered by the flexible extension granted by the other Member States.

Among the outcomes he said the EU is ready for is agreement in Parliament to the Withdrawal Agreement, a completely new proposal,, or even revoking Article 50.

For so long as those posturing buffoons of the ERG, as well as the small-minded bigots of the DUP, have any influence on what the Government does, there is no chance whatsoever that Mr Tusk's plea will be heard. We will waste every single day of the 6 months responding to the idiocies of these people, and getting nowhere. All we can pray for is a referendum on revoking Article 50 (Yes or No) and forgetting the whole ridiculous Brexit affair when the 63% who did not vote in 2016 to leave, and the hundreds of thousands of new, young voters finally get their chance.

NutLoose 12th Apr 2019 12:23

Agreed, the DUP are toxic, and I cannot see what she has gained by offering them extra funding for their support, they are being allowed to punch far above their weight. But at the end of the day the fault lays simply at May's feet and the election that was her's for the losing....which she did in style.

CargoMatatu 12th Apr 2019 12:25

oldnotbold
^^^^^:ok::D:D:D:ok:^^^^^

racedo 12th Apr 2019 13:48


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10445972)
Agreed, the DUP are toxic, and I cannot see what she has gained by offering them extra funding for their support, they are being allowed to punch far above their weight. But at the end of the day the fault lays simply at May's feet and the election that was her's for the losing....which she did in style.

I had dinner with some Irish business acquiantances last weekend. One summed it up as "I fear Brexit because of the damage it will do to my business and it will do damage, on the other hand I can sit back and look at how the Torys are tearing Britain asunder and seeing it split up. I think 100 years ago it was my relatives doing it at home in bringing down their Empire, now they doing it all by themselves.I just sit back smile and toast the Tories and the DUP. "

jindabyne 12th Apr 2019 18:57

Another few months of this c++p on here? I think not. Shan't even peep. Cheers

wiggy 12th Apr 2019 19:20

You could try peeping at www.thebrexitparty.com for a bit of light entertainment....looks like somebody in Nigel Farage's new party didn't spot that there is .com and .org

pax britanica 12th Apr 2019 19:47

So Boris gets a slap on the wrist for the media regulator -the pro Brexit fans choice as PM caught in another lie and another demonstration of woeful incompetence. What do people see in the clown-every thing he touches turns to dog sh*t and some people still praise him.Of course the piece was in his own BorisGraph tame rag so not many people would notice another Brexit lie , and this was just a barefaced lie about the referendum as the regulator put it.

Second referendum-impossible , another even shorter spaced General Election -well maybe. Another Tory leader? of course, the 1922 Committee speaks for the country-well the bit of it thats white over 60 and male who are ex public school -anyway.

Harley Quinn 12th Apr 2019 19:52


Originally Posted by pax britanica (Post 10446235)
So Boris gets a slap on the wrist for the media regulator -the pro Brexit fans choice as PM caught in another lie and another demonstration of woeful incompetence. What do people see in the clown-every thing he touches turns to dog sh*t and some people still praise him.Of course the piece was in his own BorisGraph tame rag so not many people would notice another Brexit lie , and this was just a barefaced lie about the referendum as the regulator put it.

Second referendum-impossible , another even shorter spaced General Election -well maybe. Another Tory leader? of course, the 1922 Committee speaks for the country-well the bit of it thats white over 60 and male who are ex public school -anyway.

So bitter.

What is your (real time, honest) solution?

Sallyann1234 12th Apr 2019 21:39

More BoJo lies ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555

Krystal n chips 13th Apr 2019 05:40


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10446307)

Oh perlease ! there's no need for such inflammatory terms when referring to that paragon of virtue, ethics and honesty .......Boris.

The Torygraph kindly explains it all......" entitled to make sweeping generalisations based on his opinions ".......so that's not a lie, it's, erm. a lie plus unadulterated borrlicks masquerading as fact......something Boris has well developed expertise in delivering.

Elsewhere, on C4News Phil kindly suggested the electorate just wanted the UK to leave, nowt else, just leave.......and weren't even remotely concerned with those tricky items known as details ! ....of course not, why should the electorate be even remotely interested in such trivia when they will have an adverse effect on their lives....thanks for that confidence inspiring moment Phil.

Unfortunately, I cannot provide a link to Phil's pearl of wisdom, because, the right click......shurley a metaphor..... on my mouse has just failed.


Steepclimb 13th Apr 2019 14:04

I read somewhere that the EU has now firmly joined the Leaver camp because they are heartily sick of the whole thing and they don't want a now unstable and chaotic Britain as part of the bloc.

They have a point the UK has been rudderless for some time and heading straight for the rocks.

pax britanica 13th Apr 2019 16:26

from CNN today
Liam Fox, the UK's trade secretary, wrote that a customs union would leave the UK "stuck in the worst of both worlds, not only unable to set our international trade policy but subject, without representation, to the policy of an entity over which MPs would have no democratic control.

Actually Liam the worst thing for UK trade is having you anywhere near it as you have demonstrated over the last two years , and I dont notice you pressing the cause for democracy about a tainted vote three years ago-yes three years ago having any relevance to today.
Do these people have brains, do they have a conscience or are they just arrogant people left behind in their own time warp . we have done well out of the EUs international trade policies because the Eu is a big big beast and can stand up to or bully anyone it likes where as poor little England is left adrift on the waves of progress and the last three years have seen what a unfit for purpose , modern, effective democracy we have too.

The biggest argument against brexit is the kind of people leading the campaign against the Eu, treacherous dubious characters interested only in lining their own pockets at the expense of the 'great' British people who are not so great that they can be trusted to vote for something thats proven to be a total sham or scam, either will do regarding Brexit

funfly 13th Apr 2019 18:02

I would rather be controlled by the people in Brussels than the unruly lot at Westminster with their personal agendas and extreme views, plus the unelected and mostly ageing lot in the Lords.
The EU hasn't done a bad job for us over the last 30 years. Think what a mess we would be in if we had been ruled by Borris and Rees Mogg!

yellowtriumph 13th Apr 2019 18:06


Originally Posted by Steepclimb (Post 10446739)
I read somewhere that the EU has now firmly joined the Leaver camp because they are heartily sick of the whole thing and they don't want a now unstable and chaotic Britain as part of the bloc.

They have a point the UK has been rudderless for some time and heading straight for the rocks.

Perhaps they should be paying us to leave?

Steepclimb 13th Apr 2019 20:08


Originally Posted by yellowtriumph (Post 10446857)
Perhaps they should be paying us to leave?

If you keep it up long enough it might happen. ;)

NoelEvans 16th Apr 2019 11:57

http://graphics.eiu.com/upload/topic...18-website.gif

The UK falls into the 'Full Democracy' category, together with the Scandinavian and Germanic countries as well as Ireland and Spain. The rest of Europe, including many EU countries, falls into the 'Flawed Democracy' or even 'Hybrid Regime' categories.

Most of South America falls into the 'Flawed Democracy' category and Venezuela into the 'Authoritarian Regime' category.

The UK as 'the Venezuela of Europe'? That is a clueless proposition.

Harley Quinn 16th Apr 2019 12:11


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10448765)
http://graphics.eiu.com/upload/topic...18-website.gif

The UK falls into the 'Full Democracy' category, together with the Scandinavian and Germanic countries as well as Ireland and Spain. The rest of Europe, including many EU countries, falls into the 'Flawed Democracy' or even 'Hybrid Regime' categories.

Most of South America falls into the 'Flawed Democracy' category and Venezuela into the 'Authoritarian Regime' category.

The UK as 'the Venezuela of Europe'? That is a clueless proposition.

It would be interesting to know what criteria they used for that analysis.


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