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Sallyann1234 12th Jan 2020 09:28


Originally Posted by flocci_non_faccio (Post 10660736)
Actually I would argue that we finally have a Conservative Party that genuinely represents proper old fashioned conservative values. The good news is that with the boundary reforms to come, the minor political parties are only going to find it harder to gain any electoral traction, meaning that crushing Conservative majorities will be the norm. This in turn means that the Tories no longer have to worry about occupying the political centre ground, and can continue to move further towards the right.

Party discipline is and always has been an important factor in UK politics. Any MP who steps out of line should expect to have the whip withdrawn and to be replaced at the next election with somebody who will do what they're told.

Thanks for the reminder about what happens when a government - left or right - has no real opposition and gets ever more extreme.
Even trolls can be useful sometimes. :ok:

Cornish Jack 12th Jan 2020 17:29

Actually I would argue that we finally have a Conservative Party that genuinely represents proper old fashioned conservative values. The good news is that with the boundary reforms to come, the minor political parties are only going to find it harder to gain any electoral traction, meaning that crushing Conservative majorities will be the norm.
What sort of descriptive term should one apply to the above and avoid being banned?
The 'author' of that 'argument' has, in previous posts, like so many others, used 'Democracy' to justify his stance. What he (or she) has written above is the clearest indictment of the UK electoral system as being utterly unrelated to any thinking person's definition of such. To take the ONE entitlement which is the right of anyone attaining majority, save for lunatics, Peers of the Realm and prisoners, and so distort, corrupt and utterly destroy its relative value through the process described, delight in the process and claim legitimacy, is beyond any claim to reason. That one unhinged rabid Tory should predicate such a thing is understandable given recent events. More worrying is that the UK population has meekly accepted this state of affairs while, simultaneously, berating other regimes for 'undemocratic' political activity. The British talent for base hypocrisy was never more evident!

jindabyne 12th Jan 2020 20:50


What sort of descriptive term should one apply to the above
COLOUR - Again!

Mods - please!

sidevalve 12th Jan 2020 22:14


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips (Post 10660627)
Ah, you've noticed. This deeply ingrained predilection into the. for some, English psyche has more heads than a Hydra. Expect this to become more prominent once the "Great day of liberation " arrives at the end of the month...

There again, it' not just at International level. There are many locations in the UK where, unless you've got connections for the last 743 years, you will always be an "outsider ".

This mentality is not unique to the English psyche - far from it. I've encountered similar reactions between villagers along the Moray coast regarding fellow Scots from nearby villages as outsiders. It's certainly prevalent here in France too - with people in our department having a jaundiced view of people from Paris, Marseille or Bordeaux.
In fact, it's hard to think of any country where this is not the case. Sorry.




Effluent Man 13th Jan 2020 07:46

Here in Suffolk it's "DFL's " - Down from London. I have a feeling that it's similar feeling that brought about Brexit.

So what happens now? My guess is not much unless Brexit goes horribly wrong and provokes a serious recession. Should that happen then I think that we will see two thirds of the country turn on the other third.

Just a spotter 13th Jan 2020 08:31

With mid-ranking Tories calling for a more than doubling of the UK budget defecit from circa 40bn in 2019 to 100bn in the coming budget to keep Blightly afloat as access to the EU market is restricted, members of the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee (them that set wholesale bank interest rates) are suggesting further stimulous of the ecomomy may be needed, and they're prepared to vote for further rate cuts.

https://www.ft.com/content/3d6fa65a-...9-0bcf87a328f2

JAS

Effluent Man 13th Jan 2020 08:40

Nowhere to go really unless they are contemplating negative rates.

Krystal n chips 13th Jan 2020 09:14


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 10661402)
Here in Suffolk it's "DFL's " - Down from London. I have a feeling that it's similar feeling that brought about Brexit.

So what happens now? My guess is not much unless Brexit goes horribly wrong and provokes a serious recession. Should that happen then I think that we will see two thirds of the country turn on the other third.

With the unfortunate success in the GE, any illusory benefits, non being readily obvious, have to be maintained until after the local elections in May in the hope of convincing the electorate to repeat their voting anomaly. Thereafter, it's only a mater of time, and the effects of skewed trade "deals " with Trump, before disquiet begins and propagates.

jindabyne 13th Jan 2020 09:21

By those of your ilk.

Sallyann1234 13th Jan 2020 09:51


Originally Posted by jindabyne (Post 10661151)
COLOUR - Again!

Mods - please!

You have a colour prejudice?

I thought blue was the most popular colour on here.

jindabyne 13th Jan 2020 09:58

More usually, it's seeing red Sall!

Effluent Man 13th Jan 2020 10:07


Originally Posted by jindabyne (Post 10661462)
By those of your ilk.

So, would your contention be that even if the promised benefits don't accrue that people would be unjustified in being unhappy that they had been promised better times after Brexit? The whole project was predicated on that resulting happy outcome so I think that we are entitled to expect all those benefits. Or are we now downgrading our expectations ?

jindabyne 13th Jan 2020 10:39

Your assertive presumptions - not mine. I prefer to wait and see. Don't cross the bridge until necessary. Give things a chance before ringing alarm bells.

Krystal n chips 13th Jan 2020 13:33


Originally Posted by jindabyne (Post 10661548)
Your assertive presumptions - not mine. I prefer to wait and see. Don't cross the bridge until necessary. Give things a chance before ringing alarm bells.

Alas, you missed out blue sky thinking / under the radar / out of the box, but, otherwise not a bad attempt for the first nomination for the coveted JB "Number of Cliches in one post 2020 Award "

jindabyne 13th Jan 2020 13:38

Thank you! Now, back to soaring.

Pontius Navigator 13th Jan 2020 14:25


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 10661402)
Here in Suffolk it's "DFL's " - Down from London. I have a feeling that it's similar feeling that brought about Brexit.

So what happens now? My guess is not much unless Brexit goes horribly wrong and provokes a serious recession. Should that happen then I think that we will see two thirds of the country turn on the other third.

And those on the better side of the Humber were less than enthused when Hull made a land grab without consultation. Creating North Lincolnshire and North East Lincolnshire was then a political fudge rather than returning them to Lincolnshire proper.

pr00ne 13th Jan 2020 22:54

Effluent Man,

No where to go, from 0.75%?

Is maths not your strong point?

ORAC 14th Jan 2020 06:24

:} :}

https://order-order.com/2020/01/13/m...dancy-meeting/

Remainer MEPs Fight for Their Pensions


Britain’s MEPs were called to a meeting at the EU Parliament this evening to discuss the ending of their mandates at the end of the month, how redundancies of both MEPs and staff will work, and how they need to go about shutting down their offices. Things were clearly in high spirits as Guido is informed Lib Dem and Labour MEPs went in determined to secure their pension rights. On the other hand, Farage has promised to not take a penny of his golden goodbye…

One Labour MEP desperately tried to justify why she deserved her full pension entitlement because she’s “been working really hard creating the biggest pro-EU movement in the UK”. Guido hears this caused laughter from all sides, including Brussels officials who spotted her movement clearly hadn’t worked…

Richard Corbett kept asking about whether he’d be able to get a ’widower’s pension’ and Caroline Voaden came out with the line “It shows just how unfair the system is” when she realised she won’t be getting her full pension. One source reports they think they spotted a couple of her colleagues in tears…

Unsurprisingly the Lib Dems were seething, with one telling Brexit Party MEP June Mummery to “shut up” when she tried talking, to which she fired back “shut yer big gob you”. One MEP tells Guido next time they’re definitely bringing popcorn…

POLITICO - FAREWELL TO STRASBOURG:

MEPs will be debating the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement this morning, with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen among the speakers due to address the European Parliament before lunchtime. For British MEPs it will be a glorious/bittersweet moment (delete as appropriate) as they begin their long goodbye to the EU’s institutions. They have until Thursday to vacate their Strasbourg bureaus,
the Guardian’s Jennifer Rankin reports, although they will be allowed to keep their Brussels offices for another two and a half weeks. “Departing British MEPs will have to return access passes, special EU ‘laissez-passer’ cards, voting cards, office keys, iPads and laptops, as well as passes allowing free travel on the Belgian railway network SNCB,” she says. That’s got to hurt.....

Pontius Navigator 14th Jan 2020 08:16

And they didn't see that coming?

Krystal n chips 14th Jan 2020 13:54

" Ding dong merrily on high, the mugs can pay to fund it ! "

Spiffing idea and suggestion from Boris what ! ......and doubtless there will be those, bedecked in their Union Jack apparel, waving their plastic flags, drinking port, or warm brown ale, on the night who probably will part with their money.

As we have a Gov't so obsessed with leaving, perhaps they should all be invited to pay the cost between them.

In a rare diversion from he usual impeccable Guardian readers standards, one wishes to politely say...F$^K that for suggestion ! " ...if I have a drink on the night, it won't be to "celebrate " .it will be in memory of the UK before the country decided to believe the most comprehensive campaign of disinformation in history.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51107646


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