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ThorMos 10th Jan 2020 09:40


Originally Posted by flocci_non_faccio (Post 10658824)

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Boris has an iron grip on both the house and his own party. It has been made clear to Conservative MPs that dissent will not be tolerated (Boris' decision to expel the rebels from the party in the last Parliament looks a masterstroke now). Other political parties have been rendered irrelevant. We ARE leaving and there's nothing those who disagree can do beyond wailing about the injustice of it all. It is simply wonderful.

The possibility to just throw mps out of the party because they do not follow party lines is undemocratic. MPs should only be following their own conscience and the will of the voters in their constituency. What you think is a masterstroke is a technique used in the SED (east germany), China and, of course, the NSDAP.

Go on, admit it, in reality you are a fascist and not a democrat...

The Nip 10th Jan 2020 09:58

From Bloomberg.

Airbus Pledges Expansion in the U.K. After BrexitBy
Charlotte Ryan
and
Siddharth Vikram Philip8 January 2020, 21:36 GMTAirbus SE signaled that it’s ready to move beyond a previously uneasy relationship with the U.K. over Brexit, saying the future of its British wing plants is secure and pledging to work with the government to expand a business that goes from helicopter maintenance to planetary rovers.

Chief Executive Officer Guillaume Faury said Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal, which will see Britain leave the European Union on Jan. 31, means the split from the bloc “is at least now for certain,” though the nature of future ties still needs to be worked out.


This from The Guardian exactly a year ago.

Airbus has called the UK government’s handling of Brexit a “disgrace” and warned the aerospace firm could pull out of the UK if the country crashes out of the EU without a deal.

In a video message released on Thursday, Tom Enders, its chief executive, said that if there was a no-deal Brexit, Airbus would have to make “potentially very harmful decisions for the UK”.

He added: “Please don’t listen to the Brexiteers’ madness, which asserts that because we have huge plants here we will not move and we will always be here. They are wrong.”

The Guardian like the Labour party, wrong again.

CEJM 10th Jan 2020 11:18


Originally Posted by The Nip (Post 10658884)
The Guardian like the Labour party, wrong again.

You might want to read that again. The current statement talks about the PM having a Brexit deal but the article of a year ago talks about a no-deal Brexit. Teo completely different things and you are comparing apples to oranges to try and make a point.


Sallyann1234 10th Jan 2020 11:20


Originally Posted by The Nip (Post 10658884)
From Bloomberg.

Airbus Pledges Expansion in the U.K. After BrexitBy
Charlotte Ryan
and
Siddharth Vikram Philip8 January 2020, 21:36 GMTAirbus SE signaled that it’s ready to move beyond a previously uneasy relationship with the U.K. over Brexit, saying the future of its British wing plants is secure and pledging to work with the government to expand a business that goes from helicopter maintenance to planetary rovers.

Chief Executive Officer Guillaume Faury said Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal, which will see Britain leave the European Union on Jan. 31, means the split from the bloc “is at least now for certain,” though the nature of future ties still needs to be worked out.


This from The Guardian exactly a year ago.

Airbus has called the UK government’s handling of Brexit a “disgrace” and warned the aerospace firm could pull out of the UK if the country crashes out of the EU without a deal.

In a video message released on Thursday, Tom Enders, its chief executive, said that if there was a no-deal Brexit, Airbus would have to make “potentially very harmful decisions for the UK”.

He added: “Please don’t listen to the Brexiteers’ madness, which asserts that because we have huge plants here we will not move and we will always be here. They are wrong.”

The Guardian like the Labour party, wrong again.

Circumstances have changed very recently, to the benefit of the UK contribution to Airbus. They are working flat out to meet orders for the A320 since the grounding of the 737MAX, and there is no way Airbus is going to disrupt production by moving factories for the foreseeable future. It's nothing whatever to do with Brexit.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...tion-problems/

The Nip 10th Jan 2020 11:37


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10658954)
Circumstances have changed very recently, to the benefit of the UK contribution to Airbus. They are working flat out to meet orders for the A320 since the grounding of the 737MAX, and there is no way Airbus is going to disrupt production by moving factories for the foreseeable future. It's nothing whatever to do with Brexit.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...tion-problems/

Correct, circumstances do change. That goes for the car plants that closed down. Many on here blaming BREXIT, despite the manufactures denying it.

Everything bad = BREXIT.
Everything good = can't be BREXIT.

Change the record. The bitter and twisted on here just want it all to fail so they can look smug.

Harley Quinn 10th Jan 2020 12:12


Originally Posted by ThorMos (Post 10658872)
The possibility to just throw mps out of the party because they do not follow party lines is undemocratic. MPs should only be following their own conscience and the will of the voters in their constituency. What you think is a masterstroke is a technique used in the SED (east germany), China and, of course, the NSDAP.

Go on, admit it, in reality you are a fascist and not a democrat...

No, if they stood, and were elected on a party's manifesto then the party can withdraw the whip. Different if the party introduces a policy post manifesto and election, then they would have a case to dispute it.

bulldog89 10th Jan 2020 13:35


Originally Posted by The Nip (Post 10658884)
From Bloomberg.

Airbus Pledges Expansion in the U.K. After BrexitBy
Charlotte Ryan
and
Siddharth Vikram Philip8 January 2020, 21:36 GMTAirbus SE signaled that it’s ready to move beyond a previously uneasy relationship with the U.K. over Brexit, saying the future of its British wing plants is secure and pledging to work with the government to expand a business that goes from helicopter maintenance to planetary rovers.

Chief Executive Officer Guillaume Faury said Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal, which will see Britain leave the European Union on Jan. 31, means the split from the bloc “is at least now for certain,” though the nature of future ties still needs to be worked out.


This from The Guardian exactly a year ago.

Airbus has called the UK government’s handling of Brexit a “disgrace” and warned the aerospace firm could pull out of the UK if the country crashes out of the EU without a deal.

In a video message released on Thursday, Tom Enders, its chief executive, said that if there was a no-deal Brexit, Airbus would have to make “potentially very harmful decisions for the UK”.

He added: “Please don’t listen to the Brexiteers’ madness, which asserts that because we have huge plants here we will not move and we will always be here. They are wrong.”

The Guardian like the Labour party, wrong again.

One is the outlook in event of a no deal, the other in case of an "orderly" BREXIT.
I also have to say that if BJ is really going to fix the end of negotiations to the end of 2020 I think we will then face a no deal exit, but this is another story.

I also agree with Sallyann: there's no way Airbus is moving his production now, ni matter what kind of tariffs will be in place. It is time to exploit Boeing's failures and sign deals with new customers.

jindabyne 10th Jan 2020 14:25


Change the record. The bitter and twisted on here just want it all to fail ------
Hear Hear :ok:

Steepclimb 10th Jan 2020 16:55

A lot sore winners here. Assuming Brexit is a 'win'

All remainers have to do now is sit back and prepare the 'I told you so' comments.

There'll be plenty of opportunities soon enough.

SARF 10th Jan 2020 17:03

Remainers have been banging out disaster predictions since the vote was announced. One day they may be correct on somethnig ..
tory mp’s who voted with their ‘conscience’ and against the manifesto they were elected on, had thier chance to stand as independents in the recent election.. that went well for them

Sallyann1234 11th Jan 2020 09:58

That's true. Conscience doesn't seem a useful qualification for success in politics.

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Steepclimb 11th Jan 2020 12:34

I'd be more interested in seeing the so called benefits of Brexit arriving. The only real benefit widely touted was more money for the NHS which turned out to be a lie. Better trade deals was another but exactly how that has any impact on daily life is another matter. Less immigrants the xenophobic benefit is all very well until it's realised that they're needed. Other benefits seem illusory.

The break up of the so called United Kingdom will be a benefit though. That'll save the English taxpayer some money and restore the English identity. The UK was always a bit of a lash up. It didn't really exist until the empire broke up. Now it and the Royal family have come to the end of their usefulness.

Any other suggestions?


NutLoose 11th Jan 2020 17:11

We could sell Scotland to Trump.

ZH875 11th Jan 2020 18:23


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10660284)
We could sell Scotland to Trump.


Has he got change of a fiver?

Mr Mac 11th Jan 2020 19:00

Nutlose
Don’t worry everything else in the UK is for sale currently, why not Scotland . Do the inhabitants get the right to buy as the former council home owners ?
Kind regards
Mr Mac

kkbuk 11th Jan 2020 21:31

It appears that the English predilection for xenophobia is showing its repulsive head once more.

NutLoose 12th Jan 2020 00:11

Don't worry KKbuk, we will offer Wales to Spain if the price is right.

Krystal n chips 12th Jan 2020 03:54


Originally Posted by kkbuk (Post 10660470)
It appears that the English predilection for xenophobia is showing its repulsive head once more.

Ah, you've noticed. This deeply ingrained predilection into the. for some, English psyche has more heads than a Hydra. Expect this to become more prominent once the "Great day of liberation " arrives at the end of the month...

There again, it' not just at International level. There are many locations in the UK where, unless you've got connections for the last 743 years, you will always be an "outsider ".

Had just such an encounter almost a year ago. I was asked did I live in such a location by a lady I was in conversation with. I happily opined I would never wish to live in the "Village of the Damned ", and that my family lineage could all be traced to unrelated family's ......at which point, she stopped smiling and said she was a local councillor....the conversation stopped at this point.

I remained totally unconcerned ...

SWBKCB 12th Jan 2020 06:36


I remained totally unconcerned ...
You're clearly a fearless warrior for the truth! :ok:

flocci_non_faccio 12th Jan 2020 09:19


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
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As I've said before, the current Gov't is Tory in name only. I've never made any secret of being a socialist and Labour supporter, but, this Gov't is in no way representative of a genuine Tory Gov't. They are as far apart from the core principles of such that it's possible to be....and, as such, this does not auger well for millions in the UK of [/color]all political hues.

Actually I would argue that we finally have a Conservative Party that genuinely represents proper old fashioned conservative values. The good news is that with the boundary reforms to come, the minor political parties are only going to find it harder to gain any electoral traction, meaning that crushing Conservative majorities will be the norm. This in turn means that the Tories no longer have to worry about occupying the political centre ground, and can continue to move further towards the right.


The possibility to just throw mps out of the party because they do not follow party lines is undemocratic. MPs should only be following their own conscience and the will of the voters in their constituency. What you think is a masterstroke is a technique used in the SED (east germany), China and, of course, the NSDAP.

Go on, admit it, in reality you are a fascist and not a democrat...
Party discipline is and always has been an important factor in UK politics. Any MP who steps out of line should expect to have the whip withdrawn and to be replaced at the next election with somebody who will do what they're told.


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