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Wrathmonk 19th Dec 2019 11:00


It'll be worth it to avoid the queues of Leaver foreigners at EU airports
Which queue will you join on your return to UK? Non-UK nationals (i.e. EU and the Rest of the World) or UK nationals?

Fly Aiprt 19th Dec 2019 11:09


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10643379)
It'll be worth it to avoid the queues of Leaver foreigners at EU airports.

Ha ha, that's the idea ;-)
Associate members MEPs would usefully replace the present UK representatives :


In its original form the amendment suggested the provision of “European associate citizenship for those who feel and wish to be part of the European project but are nationals of a former member state; offers these associate citizens the rights of freedom of movement and to reside on its territory as well as being represented in the Parliament through a vote in the European elections on the European lists”.

zoigberg 19th Dec 2019 11:09


Originally Posted by Wrathmonk (Post 10643441)
Which queue will you join on your return to UK? Non-UK nationals (i.e. EU and the Rest of the World) or UK nationals?

The shorter one. Where can I sign up?

Alsacienne 19th Dec 2019 11:09

Now come on folks! We all know that the queues at Border Control apply to ALL lines ... we simply need more working automatic passport reading machines or more employment in the Civil Service.

Fly Aiprt 19th Dec 2019 11:18

BTW, in the same article :

“Yesterday evening, the House of Commons decided by a majority of almost 400 to support Theresa Mays plan to trigger Article 50 by the end of March 2017. Hence the prospect that this Article 50 will be invoked has become very real indeed. "
So much for those that imagine "the EU now realises we are leaving". It appears they knew in 2016...

Oh and by the way :

“The fact this proposal is going ahead shows there remains a huge amount of goodwill towards Britain, despite the actions of this Conservative Brexit Government."
So much for the thick heads that imagine the EU "wants to retaliate"...

Fly Aiprt 19th Dec 2019 11:25

Of course, applicants would be required to produce their numbered referendum poll bulletin, to prove they are not leavers trying to escape the consequences of their own "will of the people"...

This undemocratic trait of the British election system might prove useful after all...

OilCan 19th Dec 2019 11:47


Originally Posted by MFC_Fly (Post 10642983)
It doesn't matter a toss where I think the border is, I was asking kkbuk which part of the Belfast Agreement would be compromised. Since you quoted me and directed your question to me then I naturally assumed that you were also referring to the BA, if not then your post was irrelevant to my initial question.

You might be right, but it's the view of the US politicians that kkbuk refers to that count, not yours.

Whether the BA is compromised or not will depend, I suspect, on where the WTO tariff border is, hence my question.

MFC_Fly 19th Dec 2019 11:51


Originally Posted by OilCan (Post 10643465)
Whether the BA is compromised or not will depend, I suspect, on where the WTO tariff border is, hence my question.

And hence my previous request... "Please quote the part of the Belfast Agreement that you refer to."


LowNSlow 19th Dec 2019 11:52

Mr Mac; the Vauxhall Ellesmere Port plant was the plant that became part of the PSA merger as I understand it. Anyhoo, it looks like the Ellesmere Port plant is now being promised a lot more stability under the recent merger with the Fiat Chrysler group.

Regarding the Range Rover, we were in the market for a used SUV back in 2012. I bought a Lexus RX400 from a specialist 4x4 emporium who offered me an extended warranty on it. My comment was "If I was buying a Range Rover I'd take it but I don't think the Lexus needs it". When he finished laughing he agreed with me. 7 years later still it's going strong! Of all the SUV's the Range Rover appears to have the worst record for reliability of the genre and they have always been renowned for depreciating like a grand piano falling from the roof!

Mr Mac 19th Dec 2019 11:55


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 10643355)
I would be prepared to pay up to say £500 a year for membership, that would be quite handy for the EU if a couple of million Remainers felt the same.

Mr.M I had a bit of an unfair advantage having been in the motor trade all my life and being aware of the dire build quality of that vehicle. A friend traded in his Bentley Sport on a new Autograph at about £105k. He got 60k for the Bentley, half what he paid two years and four thousand miles earlier. The R Rover has been a nightmare it's been in for repair more time than it's been on the road.

Effluent Man
Yes we as a family when I was 9 years old had an original Range Rover in that Beige colour (we are talking 1969) and that car was my Dads last UK built car as it let us down so many times. As for New Range Rovers the lady question walked into the service bay when one of her previous ones was in for service to find them using Blue Tack to solve a problem with electric windows ! As you say Bentley also have some issues with devaluation and rust I hear, and AM also have bad rust problems and reliability issues as I can testify to (it was a flight of fancy influenced by Mr Bond now back with Porsche thank goodness !)

Kind regards
Mr Mac

LowNSlow 19th Dec 2019 12:02

Here's the Belfast Agreement. Have a read and you will see that that the border is only referred to in the context of "cross-border" agreements, no mention of location, hard border etc etc

MFC_Fly 19th Dec 2019 12:09


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 10643474)
Here's the Belfast Agreement. Have a read and you will see that that the border is only referred to in the context of "cross-border" agreements, no mention of location, hard border etc etc

Ahh, finally... someone else that has actually taken the time to read it for themselves rather than just regurgitating what they hear spouted around by the press and by politicians :ok:

LowNSlow 19th Dec 2019 12:15

MFC Fly, I posted it in here about a year ago but nobody seemed to want to confront actual facts!! I have great fun pointing out the border references, or lack thereof, to my Irish relatives. :)

The Nip 19th Dec 2019 12:25


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 10643483)
MFC Fly, I posted it in here about a year ago but nobody seemed to want to confront actual facts!! I have great fun pointing out the border references, or lack thereof, to my Irish relatives. :)

Good on you. 👍 That excuse has been thrown around so many times by the remainer experts on here.

OilCan 19th Dec 2019 12:45

I'm not questioning the BA document (I did read it), I'm simply suggesting that it's the view of the US politicians that count, not the Brexit experts on here.:rolleyes:

MFC_Fly 19th Dec 2019 12:50


Originally Posted by OilCan (Post 10643505)
I'm not questioning the BA document (I did read it), I'm simply suggesting that it's the view of the US politicians that count, not the Brexit experts on here.:rolleyes:

Mmmm, doesn't look that way to me...


Originally Posted by OilCan (Post 10643465)
Whether the BA is compromised or not will depend, I suspect, on where the WTO tariff border is


Sallyann1234 19th Dec 2019 13:28


Originally Posted by Wrathmonk (Post 10643441)
Which queue will you join on your return to UK? Non-UK nationals (i.e. EU and the Rest of the World) or UK nationals?

I'll still have my UK passport. Not a blue one for a while yet :}

OilCan 20th Dec 2019 01:14

MFC_Fly
At least do me the courtesy of quoting me in context...

Originally Posted by OilCan (Post 10643465)
You might be right, but it's the view of the US politicians that kkbuk refers to that count, not yours.

Whether the BA is compromised or not will depend, I suspect, on where the WTO tariff border is, hence my question.

I'll concede perhaps I should have added;

Whether they think the BA is compromised or not....
Oilcan.

Effluent Man 20th Dec 2019 07:26

Judging from the interview just given on R4 the chances of a Brexit deal are zero. The regularity alignment required for a deal is going to leave the ERG trampled in the mud so Pfeffel is going to have a difficult choice between honouring his pals or getting a trade deal. Of course we all know what an honourable man he is, up there with Prince Andrew in fact, so it will be No Deal.

rustle 20th Dec 2019 08:54

For people who have been so spectacularly wrong about the brexit vote and two election results, especially this last one, you doom merchants don't half write some bollox.

Do the decent thing and, like gertie, hide away until it is slightly less embarrassing for you. We will still be here in 10 years.

Merry Christmas 😇


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