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SARF 18th Oct 2019 23:14

The queue out of the imf door will be a long one in ten years.. better get in there early before most of the EU roll up

Torquetalk 19th Oct 2019 05:14


Originally Posted by SARF (Post 10598009)
The queue out of the imf door will be a long one in ten years.. better get in there early before most of the EU roll up

were a number of southern EU countries not in the EU they would long since have been in IMF austerity measures. Much as the Greeks may resent the EU for years to come, their lot would have been worse had they had the IMF as paymasters.

Were they to become necessary, IMF measures would suit the political purposes of Blowjo et al quite well, as they always involve further deconstruction of the public sector and a fire sale of state assets.

Whilst there has been a big focus on the UKs public finances, private debt is the big unspoken risk.

ATNotts 19th Oct 2019 07:45


Anyway, who’ll give me long odds on the UK (or maybe it will be just England and Wales) going cap in hand to the IMF within a decade?
In the event of a no deal Brexit, inside 5 years would be a certainly I think. With a sensible deal, and I don't know enough about the deal to understand whether or not it is sensible (all the media bangs on about is N.I) we may escape their clutches.

Exrigger 19th Oct 2019 08:01

Interesting take on the Brexit subject:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...exit-remainers

And as I thought might happen:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...deal-is-passed

Another day of the Westminster farce to look forward to, as the Brexit debacle will continue into next year I am sure, without any change to the UK's current position.

ORAC 19th Oct 2019 08:35

If the Letwin amendment is passed, the government will pull the bill.

Logic - at the moment the PM has to ask for an extension, if the Letwin amendment is passed the PM has to ask for an amendment. This way he can, rightly, claim he did exactly what was required by the Benn bill and got a deal - and the MPs decided to kick the can down the road anyway - because no matter what they say, they don't really want a deal.

Then he can go into an election for a mandate to pass the deal - whilst Labour campaigns on what platform?

Exrigger 19th Oct 2019 08:50

Listening to a Conservative MP on the radio this morning it would appear that some of them consider that if they make a hash of today, which they will, they reckon that it will open the door for Corbyn to get into power, and that would appear to be the biggest red line they wish to avoid happening, I got the impression avoiding that is more important than Brexit, so today is really a watershed moment for Westminster,

back to Boeing 19th Oct 2019 08:52


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10598200)
If the Letwin amendment is passed, the government will pull the bill.

Logic - at the moment the PM has to ask for an extension, if the Letwin amendment is passed the PM has to ask for an amendment. This way he can, rightly, claim he did exactly what was required by the Benn bill and got a deal - and the MPs decided to kick the can down the road anyway - because no matter what they say, they don't really want a deal.

Then he can go into an election for a mandate to pass the deal - whilst Labour campaigns on what platform?

That’s assuming he gets an election. The FTPA still applies.

Curious Pax 19th Oct 2019 09:29

Interesting that Boris said even if he is compelled under the Benn Act to write a letter requesting an extension, he will never believe that delay is a good idea. Although he’s said previously that he’d obey the law, everyone has assumed he had an eye on a loophole. This is the first time I’ve seen him acknowledge that he’ll have to write the letter.

Krystal n chips 19th Oct 2019 09:34


Originally Posted by Exrigger (Post 10598207)
, I got the impression avoiding that is more important than Brexit, so today is really a watershed moment for Westminster,

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that "

The above with acknowledgment to the late, great, Bill Shankly. Just insert Labour Gov't for football. Well those that don't want a Labour Gov't that is.........

But, the nation is saved because Boris has written directly to....Sun readers !......you can only admire his optimism as to their literacy here.


six-sixty 19th Oct 2019 10:16

I’m loving the ill informed ignorance of our politicians bleating about how voting for Johnson’s withdrawal agreement and leaving the workers paradise of the EU will result in “erosion of workers rights and lowering of consumer standards” etc. I wonder if anyone has pointed out that has been precisely the effect of the EUs EASA FTLs, being as they were, lobbied hard for by big business all under the watch of the EU To the detriment of crew’s lifestyles and passenger safety. Disingenuous hypocrites? Or just ignorant I wonder.

wiggy 19th Oct 2019 10:52

You have a point about the specifics of the FTL's six-sixty but after Brexit we will not only be stuck with EASA FTLs, though no doubt rebranded, in addition will be able to watch the erosion of rights that will be imposed on the UK workforce by some in Westminster in the likes of JRM and his mates get their way.

I certainly hope nobody is daft enough to think leaving the EU means a return to old style UK FTLs for UK operators.

back to Boeing 19th Oct 2019 13:14

Im kinda hoping that we have FAA FTL’s imposed on us by the wonderful FTA that we’ll have with the USA. Honestly that’s the only advantage I can vaguely see at the moment.

NutLoose 19th Oct 2019 13:52

What a bunch of w*ankers.

the lot of them.

Imagegear 19th Oct 2019 14:01

Time for a root and branch clean out. Three and a half years of procrastination and blather.

They might think they have thwarted the will of the people but I suspect a great deal more is likely to be played out on the streets.

IG

Exrigger 19th Oct 2019 14:06

Bet you the EU will agree the extension and every time Johnson try's to put the deal to a vote they will do exactly the same again, maybe changing the wording a bit, absolute muppets, and once again Letwin and Co look very smug and think they have been very clever, god I really do hope that the EU can see this for what it is based on the 3 years of evidence and tell the UK to shove their extension where the sun don't shine, that will wipe the smile of those smug gits when the UK defaults out on the 31st October, sadly it won't happen.

Effluent Man 19th Oct 2019 14:17

Do I detect a slight air of irritation?

Imagegear 19th Oct 2019 14:29


Do I detect a slight air of irritation?
Well what have we been paying them for in the last three and a half years? I could not afford to carry this lot in my company for three and a half years, I would been down the pan.

IG

GROUNDHOG 19th Oct 2019 14:34

Makes you ashamed to be British, what a shower of sh*t this lot in parliament are. You couldn't make it up!

jolihokistix 19th Oct 2019 14:50

Agreed. All shooting themselves in our collective foot.

wiggy 19th Oct 2019 14:57


Originally Posted by Exrigger (Post 10598403)
Bet you the EU will agree the extension and every time Johnson try's to put the deal to a vote they will do exactly the same again, maybe changing the wording a bit, absolute muppets, and once again Letwin and Co look very smug and think they have been very clever, god I really do hope that the EU can see this for what it is based on the 3 years of evidence and tell the UK to shove their extension where the sun don't shine, that will wipe the smile of those smug gits when the UK defaults out on the 31st October, sadly it won't happen.

Since his name has been mentioned FWIW Oliver Letwin has already said this afternoon (after the vote on his amendment ) that he will be voting for Johnson's deal next week.

I'm open to correction but think his position has always been that the Uk should leave the EU , but has wanted to ensure that as much a possible it was being done in a "honest" manner, rather than some in the executive arranging, perhaps by proecedural means, for the UK to crash out.

Taking of procedural matters there seems to be a continuing ding dong going on in the chamber about the way the Government is trying to rearrange Monday's business in the house at short notice...


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