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ORAC 13th Oct 2019 07:48

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/v...tion-97pc80jfg

Varadkar urged to cash in on Brexit deal with snap election

The taoiseach is coming under pressure from some Fine Gael ministers to call a snap general election if the EU and UK agree a Brexit deal by October 31.

Younger cabinet members, including Eoghan Murphy, the housing minister, and Simon Harris, the health minister, have told colleagues they believe Leo Varadkar should go to the country now, while his intervention is seen as having broken the deadlock in the three-year negotiations.

“Saving the Irish economy from a Brexit crash-out would knock [the controversy about] the costs of the national children’s hospital and national broadband plan off the radar,” said a Fine Gael source........


Sallyann1234 13th Oct 2019 12:29

An item in​​​​​ the Times that ORAC has somehow inadvertently missed in the daily reports...

The UK government has let a contract to monitor fishing vessels in UK waters, which will be vital after we 'take back control'. We'll need to keep a watch on those French and Spanish ​​​​​​vessels who want to steal our fish.

The contract has gone to a French company. :E

ATNotts 13th Oct 2019 12:31

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50019045

At least these companies all have ships, and some knowledge of operating ro-ro ferries. Some of the ports mentioned certainly have the capability to handle large ro-ro ferries, but others, such as Vlaardingen and Killingholme I would have thought might struggle. Still a much better effort than last time's debacle.

Fly Aiprt 13th Oct 2019 12:56


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10593363)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50019045
At least these companies all have ships, and some knowledge of operating ro-ro ferries. Some of the ports mentioned certainly have the capability to handle large ro-ro ferries, but others, such as Vlaardingen and Killingholme I would have thought might struggle. Still a much better effort than last time's debacle.


Ah yes, the contract with the company with no ships ;-)

But wait a minute, what is this medical supplies thing ? Weren't we told it was just Project Fear imaginary horror scenarios ?

Edit :
Wait another minute...those are *European* companies ?!?
So the UK is paying EU ferries to import EU medicines for UK patients, in order to "take back control" of...of what, BTW ?

Fly Aiprt 13th Oct 2019 13:04


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10593362)
The UK government has let a contract to monitor fishing vessels in UK waters, which will be vital after we 'take back control'. We'll need to keep a watch on those French and Spanish ​​​​​​vessels who want to steal our fish.

The contract has gone to a French company. :E

Hahaha !
Some EU companies might benefit from the Brexit, after all...

But the fisheries control might take some time : the EU decided that UK fishing boats will be allowed to continue fishing in European waters for some time - provided that the UK allows the same to EU fishing boats in return.
Only thing that will change, the 80% British fishermen landing their catch in Europe will be liable to tariffs.


CEJM 13th Oct 2019 18:37


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10593363)
. Some of the ports mentioned certainly have the capability to handle large ro-ro ferries, but others, such as Vlaardingen and Killingholme I would have thought might struggle.

The port of Vlaardingen is capable of handling large ro-ro ferries with no issues. DFDS already uses this port and bought another piece of land next to their existing terminal which increases the capacity by 650 trailer units. They bought this land at the end of 2018 and it should be fully operational in April 2020.

NutLoose 13th Oct 2019 18:54

This is what really pisses me off


Labour’s pro-Remain MPs have issued a stark warning to any colleagues thinking of backing a Boris Johnson deal that they risk destroying the party and ruining its chances at the next general election.


Stuff the Country, look after ourselves

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartandhp

Curious Pax 13th Oct 2019 19:48


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10593557)
This is what really pisses me off





Stuff the Country, look after ourselves

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartandhp

Remind me the reason that this whole referendum debacle came about?

Fly Aiprt 13th Oct 2019 19:57


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10593557)
This is what really pisses me off


Stuff the Country, look after ourselves

From their standpoint it makes sense.
Everyone in your Parliament and government is fighting for his own bacon.
Had they cared for your Country, this Brexit/referendum/Deal mascarade wouldn't have occurred in the first place.

SARF 13th Oct 2019 20:55

UK Eu trade is 8 per cent of gdp.. the only country in the Eu we have a sizeable trade surplus with is Eire. Though I imagine most of that is NI related.
‘It’s not really that important and we pay 1 per cent of gdp to be in the club.
Ervrything is adaptable. Just adjust to the new business environment. Opportunities for some. Cartel crushing for others .
change is good

CEJM 14th Oct 2019 06:45

The amount of trade with the EU in terms of GDP doesn’t mean a lot. In total 48% of the UK exports are to the EU and if that can’t be replaced with new trade deals then a lot of people will be losing their jobs.

Effluent Man 14th Oct 2019 09:38

Quite hilarious that young Pfeffel is preparing to bring back the May deal. Maybe it can be renamed the "Surender Deal" This is actually more or less the one Rees-Mogg described as "cretinous" , but is now prepared to eat his words and support it. Maybe the EU will prepare a railway carriage in the forest at Compiegne and invite him to sign it there.

bulldog89 14th Oct 2019 09:48


Originally Posted by SARF (Post 10593623)
UK Eu trade is 8 per cent of gdp.. the only country in the Eu we have a sizeable trade surplus with is Eire. Though I imagine most of that is NI related.
‘It’s not really that important and we pay 1 per cent of gdp to be in the club.
Ervrything is adaptable. Just adjust to the new business environment. Opportunities for some. Cartel crushing for others .
change is good

How much of that GDP do you think you'll be able to get back after the 31st and at what cost?

Fly Aiprt 14th Oct 2019 11:36


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 10593950)
Quite hilarious that young Pfeffel is preparing to bring back the May deal. Maybe it can be renamed the "Surender Deal" This is actually more or less the one Rees-Mogg described as "cretinous" , but is now prepared to eat his words and support it.

Shh ! Don't say anything !
Let them save face, call it what they want, and pretend the EU caved in. But let them sign up.
That would be the least worst solution to this mess.
And the EU will be sure it'll be able to make those "master negociators" sign any deal it wants.

ATNotts 14th Oct 2019 15:15

This article taken from the ARD news website tagesschau.de shows that the UK has fallen from 5th to 7th most important trading partner for Germany since the EU referendum. Looks as though the rot has set in for UK industry and commerce, for both sides, even whilst we're still inside the EU. Diesn't bode well if we leave without a deal.

https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft...ch-gb-101.html

Sallyann1234 14th Oct 2019 16:53


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10594184)
This article taken from the ARD news website tagesschau.de shows that the UK has fallen from 5th to 7th most important trading partner for Germany since the EU referendum. Looks as though the rot has set in for UK industry and commerce, for both sides, even whilst we're still inside the EU. Diesn't bode well if we leave without a deal.

https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft...ch-gb-101.html

If you were a German business, wouldn't you be looking to find more reliable trading partners?

ATNotts 14th Oct 2019 17:22


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10594239)
If you were a German business, wouldn't you be looking to find more reliable trading partners?

I certainly think I'd be looking to concentrate my sales efforts at other markets within the EU. Somehow you'd have thought that exports to UK might actually have risen in the first half of this year with all the talks of stockpiling from the spring.

This story doesn't just expose how much the UK has reduced it importance to German manufacturers, it also tells you a lot about how business and consumers in UK are really holding back on investment and purchasing until the whole Brexit mess is resolved, one way or the other.

Just a spotter 14th Oct 2019 18:42

Looks rather like the fizz from earlier in the week has evaporated ...

As British and EU officials negotiated late into Monday evening, Antti Rinne, whose country holds the EU’s rolling presidency, appeared to call time on the prime minister’s race to find an agreement. “I think there is no time in a practical or legal way to find an agreement before the EU council meeting. We need more time,” Rinne told a news conference after talks with the incoming president of the European council, Charles Michel, in Helsinki.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ays-finnish-pm

It looks like the DUP, who were responsible for the wheels coming off WA ver 1, and some continued 'cakeism' are consipring to keep a deal out of reach.

JAS

Exrigger 14th Oct 2019 19:06


Originally Posted by Just a spotter (Post 10594302)
Looks rather like the fizz from earlier in the week has evaporated ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ays-finnish-pm

It looks like the DUP, who were responsible for the wheels coming off WA ver 1, and some continued 'cakeism' are consipring to keep a deal out of reach.

JAS

IMHO even the best withdrawal agreement in the world will not get past the EU/DUP/Westminster, so if there are those that believe that Johnson's deal is May's deal regurgitated then that is a given that that approach will not succeed and an extension request will be going in soon and will be accepted.

At the end of that extension we will be in exactly the same position we are in now, especially if there is a GE/referendum and the two leave leaning parties win the most votes, if remain parties win the most votes, even by a small margin, it will be the end of it, as the people will have spoken and this time will be listened to and their choice will be honoured.

Steepclimb 14th Oct 2019 21:27


Originally Posted by Exrigger (Post 10594318)
IMHO even the best withdrawal agreement in the world will not get past the EU/DUP/Westminster, so if there are those that believe that Johnson's deal is May's deal regurgitated then that is a given that that approach will not succeed and an extension request will be going in soon and will be accepted.

At the end of that extension we will be in exactly the same position we are in now, especially if there is a GE/referendum and the two leave leaning parties win the most votes, if remain parties win the most votes, even by a small margin, it will be the end of it, as the people will have spoken and this time will be listened to and their choice will be honoured.

The 'people' were manipulated the first time round. If the 'people' vote to leave or remain next time it will be with the clear eyed realisation of the consequences of their vote.
In 2016 no one really knew what they were voting for. No one voted for a no deal crash out.

The people who voted leave wanted things to be better as did those who voted to stay.

All anyone proved is that the British people should never again be allowed to vote in a referendum.


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