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ORAC 24th Sep 2019 05:28


So ; Thomas Cook goes under ( business model outdated ) . Meanwhile Tui shares jumped 8% . They own Thomson . Any guess who owns Tui ?
Want to guess who owned Thomas Cook?

B Fraser 24th Sep 2019 06:11


Originally Posted by Phantom Driver (Post 10577724)
If I had a few billion to spare , I'd be heading to London as well ; bargain basement prices right now


Yes, quite right, you can pick up a nice terraced house in Pimlico for a mere 2 million quid. London is only the 4th most expensive city in the world, silly me, you know best.


https://www.savills.com/research_art...-index-results

ORAC 24th Sep 2019 08:23

Breaking news:

The National Crime Agency has said it has found “no evidence that any criminal offences have been committed” after the Electoral Commission referred allegations against Leave.EU and businessman Arron Banks.......


Harley Quinn 24th Sep 2019 08:26


Originally Posted by Phantom Driver (Post 10577724)
If I had a few billion to spare , I'd be heading to London as well ; bargain basement prices right now , compared to other places . World class talent , yes ; still a few questions about the "stable economy" at the moment . Hopefully that will prove to be the case , in which event those investors will be laughing .

If you think it through, why would any savvy investor consider spending so much money in London (frankly awful city imo) creating an HQ if it has no future, only a fool would be doing that.
The UK still has a lot going for it, now they just need to remove the old guard of politicians and grow some intelligent ones.

The Nip 24th Sep 2019 08:30

Public statement on NCA investigation into suspected EU referendum offences

The Electoral Commission investigation focused on loans totalling £8m provided to Better for the Country Ltd and Leave.EU.

24 September 2019

On 17 October 2018, the National Crime Agency accepted a referral from the Electoral Commission of potential offences under the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 (PPERA) and potential failings under company law.

The referral from the Electoral Commission covered the following named persons and entities:The Electoral Commission investigation focused on loans totalling £8m provided to Better for the Country Ltd and Leave.EU.

In its published referral [1 November 2018] the Electoral Commission said it had reasonable grounds to suspect that:
  • Mr Banks was not the true source of the £8m loans made to Better for the Country Ltd and Leave.EU.
  • Loans to Better for the Country Ltd on behalf of Leave.EU involved a non-qualifying or impermissible company – Rock Holdings Ltd, which is incorporated in the Isle of Man.[1]
  • Mr Banks, Ms Bilney and others involved in Better for the Country Ltd, Leave.EU and associated companies concealed the true details of these financial transactions.
  • A number of criminal offences may have been committed.
Central to the referral from the Electoral Commission was the Commission’s suspicion that Rock Holdings Ltd was party to the transactions that culminated in payments to Better for the Country Ltd.

In carrying out its complex investigation the NCA analysed information, including banking information, which had not formed part of the Electoral Commission’s investigation. It also interviewed Mr Banks and Ms Bilney.

In reaching its decision, the NCA obtained advice from the Crown Prosecution Service and expert independent counsel due to the technical nature of PPERA offences and the company structures involved.

The NCA investigation has concluded that:
  • Mr Banks took a loan from Rock Holdings Ltd, a company of which he is the ultimate beneficial owner. He was legally entitled to do so.
  • Mr Banks was legally entitled, in his capacity as an individual, to release these funds to Better for the Country Ltd, by instructing another of his companies, Rock Services Ltd, to make the transactions on his behalf.
  • Rock Holdings Ltd was not involved in these transactions in a manner which contravened PPERA.
The NCA has found no evidence that any criminal offences have been committed under PPERA or company law by any of the individuals or organisations referred to it by the Electoral Commission. It will therefore take no further action against Mr Banks, Ms Bilney, Better for the Country Ltd or Leave.EU in respect of this specific matter.

This investigation has been subject to press and social media commentary. The NCA has not received any evidence to suggest that Mr Banks and his companies received funding from any third party to fund the loans, or that he acted as an agent on behalf of a third party.

There have also been media reports alleging that Mr Banks has been involved in other criminality related to business dealings overseas. The NCA neither confirms nor denies that it is investigating these reports.

[1] The loan was in fact to Leave.EU but the monies were paid to Better for the Country Ltd as it administered the campaign.

ORAC 24th Sep 2019 12:18

Typical BBC.......

https://order-order.com/2019/09/24/b...rugs-epidemic/


Mr Optimistic 24th Sep 2019 12:21

I suppose the clowns will return to the circus and start their act again. Wonder if TMs agreement will get another airing.

Sallyann1234 24th Sep 2019 12:33


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10578225)

Why don't you just link straight to the BBC report, instead of to comments on the BBC from another site?

Answer: Because you'd rather people saw the biased view first.

Just a spotter 24th Sep 2019 13:28


Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic (Post 10578227)
I suppose the clowns will return to the circus and start their act again. Wonder if TMs agreement will get another airing.

Lest we forget, the kafuffle over the Withdrawal Agreement Backstop was created and to a greater or lesser extent sustained by the DUP and their more Unionist mates in the Conservative and Unionist Party.

As PM, Theresa May negotiated a Withdrawal Agreement with the EU, where both sides compromised and it met most of “red lines” that the UK had drawn early on.

Once the details of the Northern Ireland only elements were made public (and the Irish government has to take some responsibility for how that was presented), the DUP did what they do best and said “No”. As a result, HMGov went back to the EU, reopened the negotiations before the ink had hardly dried, on foot of which the NI only alignment with the customers union was extended to the whole of the UK, which, as we’ve seen was unacceptable to the more hard line members of the Brexit camp (a cohort that overlaps with the more Unionist elements of the Tory party).

As events have moved on, the DUP has lost its hold over the Tories current government and possibly on the back of being completely out of touch with ‘the man on the Shankill Road omnibus’, business groups, farmers and the wider community in the North, who all to a greater extent favour staying in the EU or at least reaming closely aligned with it, the DUP has been softening its position in opposition to the ‘sea border’ option while the Johnson government has been publically dipping its toe in ideas not far removed from the original NI only backstop.

From The FT, 10 Sept 2019

Brussels senses Johnson shift on Northern Ireland-only backstop
PM under pressure to abandon DUP after losing majority in Commons
https://www.ft.com/content/029aa4e0-...7-807ebd53ab77

From The BBC, 13 Sept 2019

Brexit: DUP denies report it would accept Irish Sea checks ... The unionist party had agreed "to shift its red lines" as part of a new deal to replace the backstop, said The Times newspaper, citing unidentified sources.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49683979

Whether HMGov is currently negotiating in good faith is debatable. Parliament may choose to go back to square one and dust off the WA Mark I, which I believe is an option included in the ‘Benn Act’.

If that were the case and it is passed, it would allow Britain to move forward on Brexit. Afterall, it’s Brexit, not UKxit. Although UK-it might have been a better option.

JAS

On the beach 24th Sep 2019 17:51


vee_why 24th Sep 2019 20:42

That post was doing the rounds in 2014 and there were doubts then about the veracity of the statement, which was in relation to the Scottish referendum.

Fly Aiprt 24th Sep 2019 21:51


Originally Posted by vee_why (Post 10578617)
That post was doing the rounds in 2014 and there were doubts then about the veracity of the statement, which was in relation to the Scottish referendum.

Could the Scottish referendum have been rigged ?

On the beach, could you tell us more about the origin of your message ?

Una Due Tfc 24th Sep 2019 22:12

I’ve changed my mind. I don’t want this to end on 31st October, I want this circus to continue, it’s absolutely hilarious!

PDR1 24th Sep 2019 22:15

If we are to take it at face value it is certainly a little odd that there was no "big debate" aired on bbc1 this evening (nor was the one in the schedules).

It's really sad how people post this sort of crap without even doing the most basic of credibility checking.

PDR

Phantom Driver 24th Sep 2019 22:15

[QUOTE=B Fraser;10577894]Yes, quite right, you can pick up a nice terraced house in Pimlico for a mere 2 million quid. QUOTE]

A snip for the hedge fund managers , currency speculators and others betting against UK plc in the current mayhem .

Fly Aiprt 25th Sep 2019 00:10


Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc (Post 10578684)
I’ve changed my mind. I don’t want this to end on 31st October, I want this circus to continue, it’s absolutely hilarious!

This Brexit affair is full of twists and turns.
Will something really happen on the 31st of October?

Fly Aiprt 25th Sep 2019 00:13


Originally Posted by PDR1 (Post 10578685)
If we are to take it at face value it is certainly a little odd that there was no "big debate" aired on bbc1 this evening (nor was the one in the schedules).

It's really sad how people post this sort of crap without even doing the most basic of credibility checking.

Maybe just a trick to try and discredit the remain opinion...



Krystal n chips 25th Sep 2019 05:52


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10578724)
This Brexit affair is full of twists and turns.
Will something really happen on the 31st of October?

To answer your question, unfortunately the clip of "The Doors " and the opening scenes of " Apocalypse Now ", whilst relevant, has already been used.
Think of this montage as being a suitable alternative therefore.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=hi...=1569390386580



The AvgasDinosaur 25th Sep 2019 06:26

Suspension of ParLIARment ruled illegal!.
That’s bad for the environment
The noise levels will rise
Vast amounts of hot air released into atmosphere
Malodorous fumes of bovine excretia will prevail.
Dont these judges know or care about global warming?
David

Sallyann1234 25th Sep 2019 07:18


Originally Posted by PDR1 (Post 10578685)
If we are to take it at face value it is certainly a little odd that there was no "big debate" aired on bbc1 this evening (nor was the one in the schedules).

It's really sad how people post this sort of crap without even doing the most basic of credibility checking.

PDR

Well that's social media for you. And some people are only too glad to use it to smear more responsible broadcasters that don't fall in with their own personal views.

Even on here. :E


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