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Fly Aiprt 18th Sep 2019 09:25


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10572656)

Assuming they are able to solve the problem of a “hard border” between Scotland and England to Brussels’ satisfaction.....

Scotland will have no qualms establishing a hard border with England and fiercely guarding it ;-)

What about this "Brussel's satisfaction" mention ?
It's the UK that has problems with a hard border in the Irish sea, not anyone in Europe.
Same concerning the whole backstop shenanigan, for that matter...


LowNSlow 18th Sep 2019 09:30

Avionker, 20 years before England runs out of water? Where on Earth did you get that from? Was it from the 2004 Uncertainty, Risk And Climate Change Report?[h4=left]Sweltering[/h4]Although the causes of this cooler Atlantic are an entirely natural cyclical shift, the global warming-obsessed Met Office became so excited by that heatwave in 2003 that the following year it produced a report based on computer models, called Uncertainty, Risk And Climate Change.

This predicted that baking summers would soon be so frequent that by 2040 more than half of Europe’s summers would be hotter than 2003.

But the same 2004 report predicted that by 2014, global temperatures would have risen by 0.3c. In fact, during those ten years, temperatures recorded by weather satellites did not rise at all. Neither, until the past few weeks, have we seen a single summer to compete with the sweltering 2003.

We need to recall such facts, if only to remind ourselves that there are those so convinced of their particular theory of how climate works that they will leap on any evidence which seems to confirm that they and their computer models are correct.

Although there have recently been claims in the U.S. that America is getting hotter than ever before, more than half the temperature records for the 50 U.S. states were set in the baking ‘dustbowl years’ of the Thirties. Another 13 state records are even older. Indeed, only two state records were set in the 21st century, at a time when — we are constantly told — increases in industrial emissions are causing dangerous warming of the planet.


Fly Aiprt 18th Sep 2019 09:37


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 10572691)
Avionker, 20 years before England runs out of water? Where on Earth did you get that from?

How about that
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47620228

LowNSlow 18th Sep 2019 09:40

Avionka / Fly Aiprt: See my post above yours. The predictions in the 2004 report subsequently turned out to be farcical and anybody who gives them credit in the light of the temperature data subsequently recorded is deluded. I do however agree that more reservoirs should built as our population has increased significantly since the last one was built..

Anyhoo, back to BREXIT!

Fly Aiprt 18th Sep 2019 09:48


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 10572705)
See my post above yours. The predictions in the 2004 report subsequently turned out to be farcical and anybody who gives them credit in the light of the temperature data subsequently recorded is deluded.

So no problem, sir.
Global warming is a farce, nobody will lack potable water, and more powerful vacuum cleaners won't draw any greater current.
Oh, and the EU is banging its head on the wall...

If you're not afraid of trying your skills in a foreign (gasp !) language, I suggest you search about :
"Et la marmotte, elle met le chocolat dans le papier d'alu" ;-)

Avionker 18th Sep 2019 10:26


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 10572705)
Avionka / Fly Aiprt: See my post above yours. The predictions in the 2004 report subsequently turned out to be farcical and anybody who gives them credit in the light of the temperature data subsequently recorded is deluded. Ido owver agree that more reservoirs should built as our population has increased significantly since the last one was built..

Anyhoo, back to BREXIT!

You best drop a line to the English Environmental Agency then, tell them to stop worrying over nothing. As an aside, not only is there a monster in Loch Ness, but it also contains more fresh water than every lake and river in England and Wales combined.

LowNSlow 18th Sep 2019 10:59

Fly Aiprt; au contraire, I think global warming is a reality, water supplies really need managing and more powerful vacuum cleaners draw more power, only an idiot wouldn't.
However, I don't believe that ALL climate change is down to the human race. Pretty much all the pollution is but not necessarily all the climate change.

The EU is definitely not banging its head on the wall, it is very slowly but surely heading toward Messers Salter and Monnet's desire of a united Europe.

I appreciate you don't believe me but I'm still entitled to an opinion!

Love this:

LowNSlow 18th Sep 2019 11:05

Avionker, so what? Very little of it is used as domestic supply, not enough even to supply the town of Fort Augustus

One study said that the leaks in the UK domestic system could fill Loch Ness every 7 years which is an horrendous statistic! See comment about water management above.

Fly Aiprt 18th Sep 2019 11:44


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 10572770)
Fly Aiprt; au contraire, I think global warming is a reality, water supplies really need managing and more powerful vacuum cleaners draw more power, only an idiot wouldn't.
However, I don't believe that ALL climate change is down to the human race. Pretty much all the pollution is but not necessarily all the climate change.

LowNSlow, so we do agree.
Of course not all changes are due to human activities, but we definitely have to do something about it.
Back to the original subject, England might very well be shortly confronted with water supply issues.



but I'm still entitled to an opinion!

Love this: La marmotte
Of course, wouldn't deny that.
Although Brexit is not our decision, we are prepared to face any bad consequences Brexit will bring to us.

Appreciate you made the search about la marmotte, thanks for that ;-)




LowNSlow 18th Sep 2019 15:27

Fly Aiprt; agreed about the possibility of water supply issues but I think it will be a population outstripping poorly planned supplies issue compounded by having a very leaky, mostly Victorian, supply system!

Like la marmotte, I don't believe that the
makes all of Lindt's choccy's!!

WingNut60 18th Sep 2019 15:38


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 10572979)
Fly Aiprt; agreed about the possibility of water supply issues but I think it will be a population outstripping poorly planned supplies issue compounded by having a very leaky, mostly Victorian, supply system!

As the end result of :
  • Marginally reduced rainfall, leading to
  • Substantially reduced stream flows, and
  • Doubled population over 40 years,
-- Perth (Oz) is now reliant on two desalination plants with a combined capacity of 145 billion litres of water per year and which currently produce 48% of the cities (piped) water supply.
Other Australian cities (Melbourne in particular) are in similar straits.

LowNSlow 18th Sep 2019 15:50

WingNut60; 48%! that's a big reliance on 2 plants. I hope they've got plenty of system redundancy built in or you might have to default to the beer setting if things go wrong!!

I wonder if the de-sal plants will contribute to reducing rising sea levels?

Ancient Observer 18th Sep 2019 15:54

In the South East of the UK we still have water companies (Thames Water) that lose more water from their wastage than they deliver to paying consumer customers!

Fareastdriver 18th Sep 2019 18:22


In the South East of the UK we still have water companies (Thames Water) that lose more water from their wastage than they deliver to paying consumer customers!
The water that leaks will find its way to a river or suchlike and be reused. Thames Water is probably delivering the same bit of water two or three times.

Imagegear 18th Sep 2019 19:16

Yup,

It cannot be confirmed that quantities of River Thames water may pass through five sets of kidneys on it's way to the North Sea.

Having a home as I do about sixty miles from the source, I choose to believe that it is only three sets of kidney water that reaches my faucet before I make my later contribution.

IG

racedo 18th Sep 2019 19:29


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 10572984)
As the end result of :
  • Marginally reduced rainfall, leading to
  • Substantially reduced stream flows, and
  • Doubled population over 40 years,
-- Perth (Oz) is now reliant on two desalination plants with a combined capacity of 145 billion litres of water per year and which currently produce 48% of the cities (piped) water supply.
Other Australian cities (Melbourne in particular) are in similar straits.

History just repeating itself.

The centre of civilisation was once along Tigris and Euphrates rivers with big cities, reduced rainfall meant people abandoned the area to go elsewhere.

Sallyann1234 18th Sep 2019 20:15


Originally Posted by Ancient Observer (Post 10572999)
In the South East of the UK we still have water companies (Thames Water) that lose more water from their wastage than they deliver to paying consumer customers!

In the suburban road where I used to live, Thames Water replaced the leaking water main and domestic connections. When I recently visited there the trees along the pavement had died. Being surrounded by tarmac and concrete they had been living off water leakage from the old pipes.

yotty 18th Sep 2019 21:35

Not too sure how much benefit building new reservoirs would give. https://www.southernwater.co.uk/wher...ter-comes-from

WingNut60 18th Sep 2019 21:41


Originally Posted by yotty (Post 10573221)
Not too sure how much benefit building new reservoirs would give.

Desalination is what you do when the rivers AND the aquifers run dry.
When they said, 30 years ago, that Perth groundwater would be able to provide all of Perth's freshwater needs far into the future, it transpired that "far into the future" actually means "about 10 years".

Perth groundwater

If you don't like the prospect of chlorinated chicken then you won't like the use of recycled sewage very much either.

Fly Aiprt 18th Sep 2019 21:56

Just read the following news.
https://www.lemonde.fr/international...2043_3210.html
EU parliament voted a resolution on Wednesday 18th of September :
It is Mr Johnson's onus to propose in writing, any fully operational alternative solutions to the WA issues, or those of any future agreement with the UK.
The EU will veto any future agreement between the EU and the UK in case the UK doesn't honor its financial committments.
The EU will accept any further extension demand only if it exists "valid reasons, and legitimate goals".
The EU reiterates its concern about EU citizens, and reminds that according to the GFA, citizens born in NI are entitled to be ROI citizens, and so citizens of the EU, with the corresponding rights. "Those issues won't disappear even in case of no-deal exit".

During the debate, very harsh words have been said about Mr Johnson's and his government's responsability in the Brexit debacle.


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