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LowNSlow 26th Mar 2019 12:43

Lars Karlsson has consulted on borders all over the world and was asked by the EU to do a paper on the UK/Eire border.

His basic premise is that there is the technology available to have an infrastructure free border and the basic reason why there is infrastructure on the Swiss/EU or Sweden/Norway border is that the border pre-dates the technology and if they were built today they would not need the infrastructure that is there unless the politics dictated it.

Sallyann1234 26th Mar 2019 13:03

I suspect that those in Ireland - north and south - who can see a nice little earner from a new border, will be laughing at the thought of a possible technical 'solution'.

beamer 26th Mar 2019 13:05

Fair enough, a great many people want another referendum, presumably on the basis that they might achieve a vote to remain in the EU. The presumption therefore from those seeking such a second poll would be that they would win the argument; if, however, the result were to be the same as the first, would they accept the judgement second time around.....no, thought not !

FWIW, all those people I know who voted to leave are even more entrenched in that opinion due to the current shambles but are quietly keeping their own counsel rather than marching in the streets or as they do in France, riot along the boulevards !

Fitter2 26th Mar 2019 13:43

I see spogget - you would rather have the outcome uncluttered by the opinions of people who know what they are talking about? Isn't that the reverse of the usual remain claims?

Pontius Navigator 26th Mar 2019 15:21

I have been made aware of a campaign to get 17.4m to sign the remain petition.

It was forwarded by a friend, a former editor of the FT.

LowNSlow 26th Mar 2019 16:07

Sprogget so you post a few links which simply state an opposition view, lift the substance of a quote

But he is also the classic example of the narrow subject specialist, so constrained by his own discipline that he is totally blinkered, knowing nothing of the world outside his domain. As a result, although he delivers his evidence with enthusiasm, confidence and enormous authority, when it comes the Northern Irish border, his report is of next to no value. =left
and that's it, all over.

Karlsson was asked to do a report on the CUSTOMS aspect of the border, no more, no less, so to criticise him for sticking to his brief is a tad silly IMHO.

LowNSlow 26th Mar 2019 18:18

I'm afraid that is exactly what you are doing by quoting the New European as a source of unbiased "public record" and using DeSmog as a source of credible information. Both are only slightly biased...….

Time you bought a foil hat...….

Pontius Navigator 26th Mar 2019 18:24


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 10430528)
I'm afraid that is exactly what you are doing by quoting the New European as a source of unbiased "public record" and using DeSmog as a source of credible information. Both are only slightly biased...Ö.

Time you bought a foil hat...Ö.

LowNSlow, he did qualify that source.


none of whom will reveal their funding, all of whom though are linked to Matthew Elliot, all of whom push various right wing causes with plenty of disinformation.

Some of us follow this stuff closely & we don't take things at face value & for good reason.

LowNSlow 26th Mar 2019 18:28

PN, he did indeed and your quote perfectly describes what he counts as a "qualification"!

Buster11 26th Mar 2019 18:32

Hmmm, interesting how few of the 36 posts since my #175 have actually mentioned any aspect of Britain's EU membership that has personally adversely affected them. Plenty of the usual noises, but precious little to suggest that leaving the EU will have a positive effect on their lives (apart from on their ideas of Britain's "regained sovereignty").

Pontius Navigator 26th Mar 2019 18:37

Buster, really because it would be Project Hope against Project Fear.

MOSTAFA 26th Mar 2019 18:38

I am really confused - surely to change the 29th March leave date, it would have to go through Parliament, the House of Lords and signed off by the Queen. Surely it can't be extended without breaking the existing law?

Possibly a statutory Instrument could be used under normal circumstances, and that is what I’m guessing Theresa May is trying to do. But, post the Ms Miller case that now cannot happen and Mrs May will certainly know that It can only be changed by a full revision to the Act. Now magically, we have 2 dates and the law existing law provision does not allow 2 dates, as there can only be one defined date that has been agreed passed by law. Surely If she gets her way then she will be in contempt of court!

Just asking.

LowNSlow 26th Mar 2019 18:56

I love the way that because I disagree with you, and throw a gentle jibe in your direction, you can make sweeping assumptions on my ability to analyse information and assess it's overall credibility. Echo chamber anyone?

Harley Quinn 26th Mar 2019 19:56

[QUOTE=MOSTAFA;10430543]
I am really confused - surely to change the 29th March leave date, it would have to go through Parliament, the House of Lords and signed off by the Queen. Surely it can't be extended without breaking the existing law?

Possibly a statutory Instrument could be used under normal circumstances, and that is what Iím guessing Theresa May is trying to do. But, post the Ms Miller case that now cannot happen and Mrs May will certainly know that It can only be changed by a full revision to the Act. Now magically, we have 2 dates and the law existing law provision does not allow 2 dates, as there can only be one defined date that has been agreed passed by law. Surely If she gets her way then she will be in contempt of court!

Just asking.

Fair question. I'm looking forward to a remainer explain why a purely UK decision is trumped by EU law.

Harley Quinn 26th Mar 2019 20:11

Who are DeSmog?
The parent organisation was founded by James Hoggan (apparently author of, amongst other publications I'm Right and Youíre an Idiot: The Toxic State of Public Discourse and How to Clean it Up.) and some others who are a little publicity shy including a musician David Levebfre(plead guilty to U.S. charges of money laundering, racketeering, running an unlicensed money transmitting business and promoting illegal gambling. He was arrested in January 2007 according to the Guardian) . They have been accused of being specifically created for the purpose of discrediting skeptics'

Not quite the sort of recommendation anyone would trust.

Harley Quinn 26th Mar 2019 20:47

Sproggett I was merely following your (less than credible) link. If you want us to believe the smear and suggestions of conspiratorial wrong doing you should at least try to look at the source. Was there anything inaccurate in what I posted?

Harley Quinn 26th Mar 2019 21:03


Originally Posted by Sprogget (Post 10430657)
I don't give a toss what you believe. I'm happy to pour cold water on your pound shop dreary efforts to disparage. Seen puddles with greater depth than anything you manage.

You could try to refute the point or show that your source DeSmog are better than a couple of minutes with Google suggests.

I shall retire gracefully in the knowledge that you are unable to show otherwise.

Snyggapa 27th Mar 2019 00:09


Originally Posted by Harley Quinn (Post 10430615)
Fair question. I'm looking forward to a remainer explain why a purely UK decision is trumped by EU law.

Simples. Because EU law has supremacy over UK law.

/suspect you already know this and are primed for a rant about "regaining control". In this case, parliament voted to ask for an extension, we asked for an extension, the EU unanimously agreed to our request subject to certain terms, and we accepted those terms.

LowNSlow 27th Mar 2019 06:10

Sprogget, sorry, you get dog's abuse because you are routinely objectionable and as defensive of your position as a teenager who knows they are wrong. Over and out.

MOSTAFA 27th Mar 2019 07:40

Snyggapa - I donít RANT and I certainly donít have to put up with your accusations - hopefully somebody that runs this lark will ban you and your lark then maybe we can get it back to a profession pilot forum.

i actually didnít know that and just adds to the reasons I and the democratic will of the UK voted for to get out of this EU farce.


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