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ORAC 10th Sep 2019 08:50

I don’t believe immigration was ever part of the proposal - the CTA rules and legislation remaining in place.

Pontius Navigator 10th Sep 2019 09:02


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10565986)



Then they should have got off their fat lazy asses and went out to vote, HOWEVER as with polls when a tiny sample of voters are sampled, the result tends to be indicative of the larger vote, therefore although only 17.4 million voted leave, if the other 44 million lazy asses had got off the sofa, the percentages would not be much different and we would still be leaving.

It would make no difference had 14 million got off their arses, indeed many probably had their nappies changed, but as under 18s they had no say. So that is 30 million. However 16 million of those did vote so it is only 14 million lard arses. A fair portion of those were not franchised as the otherwise had free board and lodging. Many in hospital too would not vote for many reasons. We had one wife of, her husband had been taken to A&E and could not vote. Individual stories but cumulative there would be a million or more that could not vote and did not have a postal vote.

There are many traditionalists that prefer to vote in person, for instance my 94 year old MiL would not dream of getting a postal vote. She voted, many could have been thwarted.

How that 14 million could be proportion ed is a guess.

Fly Aiprt 10th Sep 2019 09:42


Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic (Post 10566074)
The remainers are hypocrites who pretend they represent rationality and support democracy.
Bercrow is a slavering slave to his over sexed wife...

Any chances to see some considered, well substantiated and non-derogatory arguments in favour of Brexit on this forum ?



Avionker 10th Sep 2019 10:13


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10566351)
Any chances to see some considered, well substantiated and non-derogatory arguments in favour of Brexit on this forum ?

Not if the last 3 years are anything to go by, Iím sorry to say.

Bob Viking 10th Sep 2019 10:21

Avionker
 
There have been. You either havenít read carefully enough or have chosen to ignore them.

And no, Iím not going to repeat them for you.

BV

Sallyann1234 10th Sep 2019 10:25


Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic (Post 10566074)
Bercrow is a slavering slave to his over sexed wife.

You sound jealous. No luck with the ladies?

Fly Aiprt 10th Sep 2019 10:53


Originally Posted by Bob Viking (Post 10566376)
And no, I’m not going to repeat them for you.



And why not ?
Are they so deeplyl burried you might be unable to unearth them ?
Or are they no longer valid now that actual facts and numbers have emerged ?

BTW, just questions, my friend, not trying to infer you didn't read correctly, ignore things etc.^^!

Hyperdark 10th Sep 2019 10:57


Originally Posted by Grayfly (Post 10566314)
I tend to agree. Boris is a professional liar, he earned a living doing that. Cummings has proved previously that honesty is for losers. As an election strategy. Boris (we the people) versus Parliament ticks all the populist boxes and could easily follow the Trump playbook. We'll get the Irish to build a border and they can pay for it, drain the swamp of remainers etc.

A comparison that is far from valid, the UK Government dont want a border and hardly want to stop migration from Eire

I do agree with the swamp draining bit, though to be honest by the noises they constantly make they hate the UK so much they might be better off in Brussels the land of the free (to toe the line)

Prawn2king4 10th Sep 2019 10:58

Probably be mentioned before .... Have just received my new passport and notice the words "European Union" no longer adorn the front cover. (It's still that maroon colour though!)

Bob Viking 10th Sep 2019 11:08

Fly Airpt
 
Iím not going to repeat the reasons because I previously posted them and I still believe them. If anyone cares enough they can search my posts but Iím not going to do the work for them.

I realise it is hard for some to believe, but some of us voted for Brexit for reasons other than those outlined in the Guardian and the BBC.

We are well aware of the potential consequences but are unperturbed.

As I have said to others previously, I donít expect to convince you but please donít take it as a personal mission to change my mind either.

BV

papajuliet 10th Sep 2019 11:14

My reason for voting to leave was that I did not want the UK to be one of twenty eight states in a Federation of a United States of Europe ruled from Brussels ( or where ever it happens to be in any given month ). Remainers turn a blind eye to this yet they cannot deny the ongoing unification. Perhaps the EU parliament, it's flag. it's national anthem, it's ambassadors etc. aren't evidence enough.
I have no objections to being in a trading arrangement with the EU but it's evolved into far more than that.
Would some Remainer like to say how he foresees the EU in a few years time ?

wiggy 10th Sep 2019 11:30


Originally Posted by Alsacienne (Post 10566229)
Remember that there were many Britons living and working in the EU who were disenfranchised because they had been away from the Mother Ship for 15 years or more. Had UK law not forbidden us to do so, the polls would show a substantially higher percentage participation and might well have had a different outcome. Do not confuse laziness, lack of interest or motivation with being legally impotent.

There were also, to my direct knowledge, a significant number of expats who were entitled to vote but who lost out because the postal vote system was putting politely, rather "sub-optimal..."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7103066.html

ATB...

Sallyann1234 10th Sep 2019 11:34


Originally Posted by papajuliet (Post 10566416)
Would some Remainer like to say how he foresees the EU in a few years time?

I foresee the EU a lot better off in a few years' time without the constant bitching of the UK and our wanting to keep the special privileges. But still with the benefits of the Human Rights written by the UK - that we ourselves may have dropped. And much less troubled by countries wanting to leave - the Italian exiters have already given up after seeing what happened to the UK.

How do you see the UK in a few years' time?

ATNotts 10th Sep 2019 11:41


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10566430)
I foresee the EU a lot better off in a few years' time without the constant bitching of the UK and our wanting to keep the special privileges. But still with the benefits of the Human Rights written by the UK - that we ourselves may have dropped. And much less troubled by countries wanting to leave - the Italian exiters have already given up after seeing what happened to the UK.

How do you see the UK in a few years' time?

If the EU could find a way to get shot of Denmark and much of the Visegrad group it would be in even better shape - it would look pretty much like the group of countries that started the whole thing off!!

.....and the UK. Even more in hock, and reliant upon the alleged "special relationship" with the USA. Great joy (not)!

Fly Aiprt 10th Sep 2019 11:49


Originally Posted by Bob Viking (Post 10566412)
We are well aware of the potential consequences but are unperturbed.

As I have said to others previously, I donít expect to convince you but please donít take it as a personal mission to change my mind either.

Where did you see it was about changing people's minds ?
I was just asking about well considered arguments in favour of Brexit on this forum.
Anyone able to provide some is most welcome.
And you're most welcome providing none, sir.


Krystal n chips 10th Sep 2019 11:52


Originally Posted by papajuliet (Post 10566416)
My reason for voting to leave was that I did not want the UK to be one of twenty eight states in a Federation of a United States of Europe ruled from Brussels ( or where ever it happens to be in any given month ). Remainers turn a blind eye to this yet they cannot deny the ongoing unification. Perhaps the EU parliament, it's flag. it's national anthem, it's ambassadors etc. aren't evidence enough.
I have no objections to being in a trading arrangement with the EU but it's evolved into far more than that.
Would some Remainer like to say how he foresees the EU in a few years time ?

Awww, bless . Another lured by the eternal urban myth of a United States of Europe.

To answer your question however. Considerably better of without the crŤche level politics and petulance of the UK along with prospering as a developing organisation unifying, rather than dividing, Europe.

Now ask me where I think the UK will be in comparison ....ok, to save you asking....struggling, still in political turmoil, being more and more dependent on a one sided trade "deal " with Trump Inc. enduring a recession with job losses and rising prices........and with the population slowly but surely beginning to realise the crock of gold at the end of a rainbow is more likely than the UK benefitting in any remote way after our act of political and ideological self harm by voting to Leave.

Cameron is due to have his book published very soon...there's also a documentary planned.....I kindly mentioned this earlier, so you will be able to be enthralled when Dave tells us all why it was such a top hole whizzo idea to hold a referendum ......

*

Fly Aiprt 10th Sep 2019 11:54


Originally Posted by papajuliet (Post 10566416)
My reason for voting to leave was that I did not want the UK to be one of twenty eight states in a Federation of a United States of Europe ruled from Brussels ( or where ever it happens to be in any given month ).

Thanks for providing your reason for leaving.


Bob Viking 10th Sep 2019 11:59

Airprt
 
I have provided plenty. All you have to do is click search. As a point of principle I wonít do it for you.

BV

NutLoose 10th Sep 2019 13:06

Vote Labour..... Vote Leave.... or erm Remain...... You couldn't make it up, but they have.


Jeremy Corbyn has promised a further referendum on Brexit with a "credible Leave option" if his party wins the next general election.

But some senior party figures - close Corbyn allies - say they will campaign to stay in the EU in any circumstances, even if Labour negotiates its own deal.They include shadow chancellor John McDonnell and shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry, who have both said remaining would be the best thing for the UK.

Mr Corbyn has been meeting union leaders to discuss the issue.

He has not said whether he would campaign for Remain or a Labour Leave deal if he became prime minister.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49646544

Hmmmmm and I have thought of a little ditty for their campain (Spelling deliberate)

You put your left leg in
your left leg out
in, out, in, out
you shake it all about
You do the hokey cokey
and you turn around
that's what it's all about
Woah, the hokey cokey
woah, the hokey cokey
woah, the hokey cokey
that's what it's all about

ATNotts 10th Sep 2019 13:19

Except regarding the small matter of giving the public a say on the terms of our leaving, or remaining you can say pretty well the same about the Tory party.


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