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Originally Posted by PC767
(Post 10565786)
The UK isn’t asking for more time, neither is the UK government. Opposition MPs and a hand full of Conservative MPs in parliament are. Unfortunately they are the majority in parliament. Johnson wants an election on 15th October which will effectively be a second referendum. The house will either be elected to leave or remain and Brexit can finally be dealt with. Unfortunately the opposition don’t wish for this, maybe because polls show Johnson would be a runaway winner. And Brexit would follow. Those polls in favour of Johnson suggest that the public still want Brexit. |
Because he / they are the elected Government to rule over the Country. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 10565870)
Because he / they are the elected Government to rule over the Country. |
Originally Posted by bulldog89
(Post 10565729)
Not in my power, sorry, but why is the UK asking for another extension if you want to leave? It's would be the second one... Pretty difficult to understand from the EU perspective to be honest...I mean, it's the UK asking for more time, not the EU. I suspect Brexit was an internal plan made up by NF and BJ to get more votes but slipped out of control when the people really voted to leave. Now everyone knows it will be a mess and the UK politicians are waiting for the EU to terminate the UK membership, so when things will go baaaaaadly they could always blame the EU for kicking them out when the UK wasn't ready. The British public will fall for it as it's the most convenient truth to believe and the directors of this catastrophe will keep their votes... |
Remind us who elected Boris Johnson to rule over the country? We, the public, vote for our political representatives. Generally the party which wins the largest number of seats forms the government. The leader of that party automatically becomes the Prime Minister. In the same way as Gordon (I screwed your pensions) Brown became Labour leader after Tony Bliar and automatically became Prime Minister. We, the population, do not elect our Prime Ministers. But then you knew that , didn't you? |
Same lot who voted for Callaghan, Brown, Major, Douglas -Hume. We have had so many coups your head spins.
They will say anything to further their arguments and ignorance isn't any obstacle to the ignorant. |
Originally Posted by Cornish Jack
(Post 10565789)
Me neither, Bulldog89. 17.4 million UK "leave" voters will be eternally grateful
and the non-grateful 44 million, or so, other UK citizens should accept this piece of political crass stupidity? Then they should have got off their fat lazy asses and went out to vote, HOWEVER as with polls when a tiny sample of voters are sampled, the result tends to be indicative of the larger vote, therefore although only 17.4 million voted leave, if the other 44 million lazy asses had got off the sofa, the percentages would not be much different and we would still be leaving. |
It looks like the DUP, the party that played a significant role in creating and sustaining the Brexit omnishables, is getting concerned that it’s about to be thrown under the Brexit Routemaster now that their 10 votes are worth zero.
The mood music from HM Gov seems to suggest that they are at the very least, considering the option of potentially dipping their toe into something that might possibly look a bit like the original Withdrawal Agreement containing a Backstop that kept just Northern Ireland aligned with EU regulations. An agreement that the EU and UK Gov were both comfortable with but, alas Arlene et al were not, thus leading to the UK asking for a change to extend the backstop to the whole of the UK. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...-dup-1.4013028 Not a good week for the party, their day in the sun has passed and a spot light has been shone by the BBC on their alleged links to loyalist paramilitaries during the troubles. JAS |
Originally Posted by Just a spotter
(Post 10566007)
Not a good week for the DUP party, their day in the sun has passed and a spot light has been shone by the BBC on their 'alleged' links to loyalist paramilitaries during the troubles.
JAS DUP have done everything to destroy peace in NI, watching them fail miserably and London tell them GFY has its own moment. Reality is nobody wants their brand, moderate Unionism has had enough of them which is why I see a vote on a United Ireland in 5 years. |
Originally Posted by Expatrick
(Post 10565793)
Except that No.10 currently only expect to win 300 seats...
Personally I feel that any MP seeking to swap parties are in breach of contract with their electorate and should be made to stand in a snap by-election to seek having their position confirmed. |
Labour want an election before brexit to ensure the brexit party split the conservative vote.
The conservatives want to leave the EU before an election to negate brexit. The remainers are hypocrites who pretend they represent rationality and support democracy. Bercrow is a slavering slave to his over sexed wife. Read my column in next week's Economist, or my interview with Malcolm Gladwell. Is there no one honest left? |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 10565986)
Then they should have got off their fat lazy asses and went out to vote, HOWEVER as with polls when a tiny sample of voters are sampled, the result tends to be indicative of the larger vote, therefore although only 17.4 million voted leave, if the other 44 million lazy asses had got off the sofa, the percentages would not be much different and we would still be leaving. |
https://www.politico.eu/article/brus...t-horror-show/ The U.K. will almost certainly get another Brexit extension — but don't ask the EU to admit it...... “I don't believe that if the U.K. asks for an extension we'll say no," one EU27 diplomat said. "The length of the extension and the purpose is another issue."...... The Brexit coordinator in the European Parliament, Guy Verhofstadt, spoke out over the weekend in support of Le Drian's tough line against granting an extension without some sign of major progress from the British side. Several EU officials said that the deepening political crisis in London offers proof that French President Emmanuel Macron was correct to oppose a longer extension when the European Council voted in April to postpone the cliff-edge date to October 31...... “The French stand is getting more and more traction," an aide to Verhofstadt said. "They start to see that Macron was right when, at the last summit, he did not want to grant an unconditional extension to the U.K. and wanted to finish the business. An extension is impossible unless there is fundamental change, and not under the current circumstances. The EU has a deal and the deal is on the table.”........ Still, a second EU diplomat said that the view in Paris is a bit more textured than recent public pronouncements suggest and that the Elysée would be open to a brief extension, perhaps up to two months, in order to let the U.K. hold a national election and create conditions for a final Brexit agreement by the time EU27 leaders hold their December summit. "In this moment, Paris is calling the shots; Germany will follow the consensus," the second diplomat said. "But Paris’ position is more nuanced than it seems." "Just a few weeks," the diplomat added, predicting what Macron would accept. "The deal has to be done at December’s Council."...... [ORAC note, December Council meeting is 13th December. Assuming Election day would have to be NLT 6th Dec, working backwards 25 working days the campaign would have to start NLT.... 31st October....] |
Then they should have got off their fat lazy asses and went out to vote |
This is how to solve Brexit, Scotland already on the way out after a poor meeting with Belgium, England may do better.
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234
(Post 10565898)
Remind us who elected Boris Johnson to rule over the country?
However, the problem is with Johnson that he appears to believe he is President, and can do pretty much what he likes without reference to parliament. Seemingly his good mate Donald Trump has coached him. Sadly for Johnson, he has learned over the past two weeks that he isn't President and can't steamroller his plans through. For heavens sake his record on Commons votes since he took office is "played 6, lost 6, drawn 0". He'd be in the relegation zone of the Premier League with that performance, and the manager (Dominic Cummings?) would have been sacked by now! |
A facile view ATNotts. Boris took over with a paper majority of one, including all the remainers such as Grieve and the votes of the DUP. They chances of passing any legislation was negligible and an election in the near future certain. All he could do, and is doing, is preparing the ground for the election. All the fuss, votes and furore over the last few weeks has been to paint the campaign as one of Boris and the people against all the other parties plotting to frustrate the will of the people - and according to the polls and the commentators that campaign is succeeding. Any future court action would just add the judiciary and “unelected judges” to those plotting against the people. The campaign is also, as was previously that of Ed Miliband and Labour, being seen as that of chasing the “35%”. That being the figure that will win a majority. Miliband failed, but with the remain vote split between all the other parties - the main two of which have declared not to work with each other - and BXP supporters seeming willing to back Boris in such a fight - Boris could well win. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 10565986)
Then they should have got off their fat lazy asses and went out to vote, HOWEVER as with polls when a tiny sample of voters are sampled, the result tends to be indicative of the larger vote, therefore although only 17.4 million voted leave, if the other 44 million lazy asses had got off the sofa, the percentages would not be much different and we would still be leaving. |
The original objection to an Ireland only backstop was that it would mean a hard border down the Irish Sea with immigration controls both ways. That doesn't seem to be a problem now.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10566286)
Boris could well win. |
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