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paulc 4th Sep 2019 23:17

Steepclimb i think you will find it is a list of MPs who voted against their party and government and by doing so have removed the ultimate tool in any negotiation which is to be able to walk away. Yet as MPs they voted to enact Article 50 which has that as its default postion should a deal not be reached.

WingNut60 4th Sep 2019 23:19


Originally Posted by NumptyAussie (Post 10562017)
Aye, 5 Prime ministers in 6 years.

More prime ministers than English cricket captains

Actually, 5 since 2007.

And we'd better not goad this thread too much, they have enough on their plate.

NumptyAussie 4th Sep 2019 23:39


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 10562023)
More prime ministers than English cricket captains

Actually, 5 since 2007.

And we'd better not goad this thread too much, they have enough on their plate.

actually Julia left in July 2013

WingNut60 5th Sep 2019 00:30


Originally Posted by NumptyAussie (Post 10562030)
actually Julia left in July 2013

You're counting governments and not ministers (prime).
Kevin only counts as one.

dr dre 5th Sep 2019 01:14


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10561812)
It is more than a shame that David Cameron gave little or no thought to the consequences of a "Leave" vote; had he and his colleagues done so they might have thought twice before calling a flawed referendum.

Speaking of which it was David Cameron who put the UK into this predicament, where is he now? Making good money in the corporate world it looks like. Maybe he should’ve stayed and helped clean up the mess he made.

NumptyAussie 5th Sep 2019 01:16


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 10562053)
You're counting governments and not ministers (prime).
Kevin only counts as one.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cfd369e4ac.jpg

WingNut60 5th Sep 2019 01:39

Oops. Mis-read your original. Thought that you said 6. Sorry.

Anyway, still better than UK which has not had a prime minister this century nor a good portion of the last.

Krystal n chips 5th Sep 2019 06:22

The UK used to have 48 Counties...soon to be 47 however...... " Welcome to Kent Car and Lorry Park managed by N.C.P " signs on the M20.

And then there's the predicted food shortages and, quelle surprise ! price increases as a result......sadly, for some, there is a double whammy here because M & S are about to drop out of the FTSE 100 for the first time ever so those inclined to take out a mortgage every time they buy their overpriced food products may get their first taste of austerity once the increases arrive on the shelves

The serious bit is, that, once any sign of shortages becomes evident, the British are far from averse to stripping the shelves bare and hoarding food for their own selfish needs and sod those who can't afford or gain access to shops and supermarkets. And this is where the real fun could begin because if there's one issue that really gets the publics attention, it's food and any shortages......


https://www.channel4.com/news/leaked...-channel-ports

Pontius Navigator 5th Sep 2019 07:01


Originally Posted by NumptyAussie (Post 10562017)
Aye, 5 Prime ministers in 6 years.

"That's the way to do it"

PDR1 5th Sep 2019 17:50

Meanwhile, with the veritable stampede of people leaving the tory party I'm moved to ask whether this would be the sip leaving the sinking rat? And with Jo Johnson we see one of the very few cases of a politician resigning so that he can spend less time with his family...

PDR

ORAC 6th Sep 2019 06:46

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d...ance-dsbnvl0m6

Dithering British don’t deserve another Brexit extension, says France

France has warned the Commons that President Macron could veto another delay to Brexit because the demand for a new extension “would not solve the problem”.

MPs have seized control of Brexit by voting for legislation forbidding Boris Johnson to meet his “do or die” deadline for leaving the EU on October 31. The legislation requires the prime minister to ask for a new delay at an EU summit on October 17 by extending the Article 50 withdrawal process until February next year.

Amélie de Montchalin, the French European affairs minister and lead negotiator on Brexit, said the plan would be rejected if it simply continued the parliamentary deadlock and political chaos in Britain. “It’s not because a problem is complicated that by diluting it over time and delaying it for three months without changing anything, it will be resolved,” she said. “When I hear the British saying, ‘Give us three months more and we will solve the problem’, we can see that another six months would not solve the problem, nor another three months. They have to be able to tell us what they want.”

Stephen Barclay, the Brexit secretary, told MPs that Britain would continue preparing for a no-deal Brexit even if parliament passed legislation forcing Mr Johnson to seek a delay because any of the EU’s 27 leaders could veto the request. “The legal position on an extension is that it requires the support of every member state, including the United Kingdom,” he said. “So it is the case . . . we would need to continue to prepare for no deal because it is within the scope of any member state to block an extension.”

In a bad-tempered summit on the current extension last April, Mr Macron made it clear to other European leaders that he did not support delay if it extended the impasse in parliament. He said this risked “importing” Britain’s political crisis inside the EU.

Diplomatic sources said that a further extension would need to have a “credible purpose”, previously defined as a general election, second referendum or decision to seek a softer Brexit. “A delay for delay’s sake? No. If it’s to go round in circles, no,” said a diplomat. “If it flows from a new political situation, such as elections, we could study a delay. It would have to be agreed unanimously, but yes, I think it would be allowed.”

A senior diplomatic source poured cold water on the “untrue” claims of some MPs and Remain campaigners that the EU would automatically give another extension because of Westminster’s parliamentary legislation. The prospect of an election is now seen as the most likely next step, whether Britain goes to the polls before or after the present Brexit deadline. “Will an election solve anything?” asked a diplomat. “That’s our fear.”

For many European governments the default position is now no-deal preparations unless something happens to unblock British politics, either leading to a new government with the majority to negotiate a deal or reverse Brexit.

“Our working assumption is that Brexit should occur on October 31 as was demanded by the UK,” a European Commission spokesman said yesterday.......


SaulGoodman 6th Sep 2019 07:50

And I think Macron is right. Unless there are some major developments in Westminster “no deal” is the only credible outcome.

Across the channel people are fed up with “the difficult” Brits...

Would be fun if BoJo gets his way with help from the EU🤣

Echo Romeo 6th Sep 2019 08:31

Macron simply doesn't have the balls to veto. He will comply just like the rest of them.

bulldog89 6th Sep 2019 08:33

Or at least you hope so...

SaulGoodman 6th Sep 2019 08:56


Originally Posted by Echo Romeo (Post 10563130)
Macron simply doesn't have the balls to veto. He will comply just like the rest of them.

Care to explain why?

Effluent Man 6th Sep 2019 09:49

He will be talked round by Merkel and the EU grandees.

Una Due Tfc 6th Sep 2019 10:01


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 10563197)
He will be talked round by Merkel and the EU grandees.

What's the point? Unless there's a GE or second referendum your parliament will remain poisonous and paralysed. And even if there's a GE your first past the post system means there's a high likelihood of your next parliament being just as useless.

I used to think '"Brexit" was both the best soap and funniest comedy on tv, but the plot got a bit stale after the March extension. Last week was the best episode yet though, so I'm torn whether I want it to continue another 3 months. A bit like Game of Thrones, brilliant for the first few seasons, went off the rails, got back on them again in season 8 and then the last 2 seasons were awful, this past week is Brexit's season 8.

Sallyann1234 6th Sep 2019 10:12


Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc (Post 10563207)
What's the point? Unless there's a GE or second referendum your parliament will remain poisonous and paralysed. And even if there's a GE your first past the post system means there's a high likelihood of your next parliament being just as useless.

I used to think '"Brexit" was both the best soap and funniest comedy on tv, but the plot got a bit stale after the March extension. Last week was the best episode yet though, so I'm torn whether I want it to continue another 3 months. A bit like Game of Thrones, brilliant for the first few seasons, went off the rails, got back on them again in season 8 and then the last 2 seasons were awful, this past week is Brexit's season 8.

Well if you're talking TV programmes, perhaps we should send Parliament to the Repair Shop?

Teevee 6th Sep 2019 10:22

Where's Sir Humphrey when you need him? :-)

Una Due Tfc 6th Sep 2019 10:23


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10563223)
Well if you're talking TV programmes, perhaps we should send Parliament to the Repair Shop?

Perhaps. I certainly think the two lead actors need replacing!


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