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WingNut60 12th Aug 2018 11:02

Moss Side shooting — ten people injured in Manchester street
 
Thought I'd kick this off since there seems to be no thread open yet.
This one should attract some cross pond re-iteration.


TEN people have been injured after a shooting incident in Manchester.
Police say victims are in hospital with injuries ranging from minor to serious after the incident on Sunday morning at Moss Side.
Officers are investigating after shots were fired at around 2.30am local time (11.30am AEST) on Claremont Road.
There was a huge police response, and officers established that several people had been injured as a result of a firearm being discharged.

sitigeltfel 12th Aug 2018 11:43

Reports say it was a shotgun that was used with most of the injuries minor and caused by pellets.

SOPS 12th Aug 2018 11:44

The perp will have ‘ mental problems’ , I am betting.

Andy_S 12th Aug 2018 11:55

This shooting took place following a "Caribbean Carnival".

Coincidence?

Gertrude the Wombat 12th Aug 2018 11:59

My lad was at the carnival. But he's got an air rifle, not a shotgun.

ATNotts 12th Aug 2018 13:29


Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat (Post 10221501)
My lad was at the carnival. But he's got an air rifle, not a shotgun.

Which worryingly is the weapon that GMP are now suggesting was used. I'm sure your lad has more sense however than to be on the streets of Moss Side at 02:30 on a Sunday morning!!!

Gertrude the Wombat 12th Aug 2018 13:45


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10221581)
Which worryingly is the weapon that GMP are now suggesting was used. I'm sure your lad has more sense however than to be on the streets of Moss Side at 02:30 on a Sunday morning!!!

Yes, he says he went home earlier than that because it started raining.

He does always call the cops before getting the gun out and using it, he doesn't want to be shot by some overenthusiastic policeman. His current problem is that he's moving to a slightly more dodgy area of Manchester (he can't afford to buy where he's renting), so does he

(a) keep the gun in the car, risking someone breaking into the car to steal it, or
(b) keep the gun in the house, but that's worse because people will know it's there because they'll see him carrying it in and out.

I think he's currently leaning towards leaving it in the car, under a heap of manky junk, and hoping that nobody will know it's there.

UniFoxOs 12th Aug 2018 15:19

No, a mate of mine got his licence yanked when his (full bore) rifle was stolen out of his car. Leics police area. Leave it secure in the house.

Loose rivets 12th Aug 2018 15:30

As a former FAC holder I'm astonished at the power of gas powered hand guns. However, over 6f/lbs muzzle velocity, half that of a rifle, they are prohibited. " You do not require any form of licence for sub legal-limit airguns." Check the law yourselves, getting it wrong could ruin your life.


Remember, too, that it is now illegal to have an airgun loaded or not in a public place without lawful authority or reasonable excuse. This restriction applies to all airguns, even those that are being carried in securely-fastened gun cases.28 Oct 2011

Gertrude the Wombat 12th Aug 2018 16:12


Originally Posted by Loose rivets (Post 10221662)
As a former FAC holder I'm astonished at the power of gas powered hand guns. However, over 6f/lbs muzzle velocity, half that of a rifle, they are prohibited. " You do not require any form of licence for sub legal-limit airguns." Check the law yourselves, getting it wrong could ruin your life.

He's got the paperwork and had the training.

WingNut60 12th Aug 2018 16:23


Originally Posted by Loose rivets (Post 10221662)
.......over 6f/lbs muzzle velocity,.......

I know that I'm being pedantic, but what the h..ll does that mean?

I don't mean to trivialise this or understate the idiocy of the perpetrator, but if it really was an air pistol then he was being overly optimistic if he intended to do any real harm.
Take an eye out; damage a testical beyond repair? Sure.
But actually kill someone? Highly unlikely.

Pontius Navigator 12th Aug 2018 18:36

Oh yea of short memory, a 6 yr old boy was killed last month with a pellet gun and another last year. Admittedly it wasn't clear whether it was pistol or rifle, but there was a pistol death in USA in 2016.

Rare I grant you but still too many.

Incidentally I have never had a stoppage in a smooth bore spring compression pistol but it was a frequent problem with a gas powered rifle, usually low pressure.

pattern_is_full 12th Aug 2018 18:40

Nhh - he means 6 ft/lbs muzzle energy. Half that of a legal air rifle (12 ft/lbs). And as compared to a "pea-shooter" .22 long rifle (130-204 ft/lbs) or Colt .45 (450 ft/lbs ±)

MG23 12th Aug 2018 19:14


Originally Posted by pattern_is_full (Post 10221812)
And as compared to a "pea-shooter" .22 long rifle (130-204 ft/lbs) or Colt .45 (450 ft/lbs ±)

.22 LR isn't really a 'pea-shooter': from what I've read it's one of the most popular calibres for professional killers, because it's lethal at close range but relatively quiet (I was shooting a .22LR rifle beside a guy with a short-barrelled AR-15 a while back, and the difference in noise was enormous).

For a pea-shooter, you'd be looking at something more like the original black-powder .22 short, at less than 50 ft/lbs.

I must say, I am impressed by the airgun videos I've watched on Youtube, they're a vast step up from the little .177 spring-powered rifle we had when I was a kid. But you would presumably need a firearms certificate for one of the high-powered rifles in the UK.

gingernut 12th Aug 2018 19:30

Probably worth mentioning that Moss Side and the surrounding communities are a world apart from where they were 20-30 years ago, when "The Gooch Possy" and the "Salford Boy's" made some areas a "no go" area. Easy to bring up the theme of "Windrush" but actually, if you spend some time amongst these folk, (as I have), you'll probably find that their values are as robust as ours.

Lot's of good work has gone into making this the case. I'm hoping this is an isolated case, which could have easily have occurred in nearby leafy Altrincham.

Speedy recovery to the victims.

scr1 12th Aug 2018 21:36


But you would presumably need a firearms certificate for one of the high-powered rifles in the UK.
In Scotland you need a firearms certificate for any air weapon

Krystal n chips 13th Aug 2018 04:30

GTW......"he's moving to a slightly more dodgy area of Manchester ".........I can understand your concern here....Hale, Hale Barns and Bowdon.... now there's three areas to avoid at all costs if you value your sanity given the prevalence of pretentious inhabitants of these " oh,mwah ! " areas. plus Bowdon is, allegedly, a centre of witchcraft in the UK.

And a special mention for posts #3 and #4 , the latter in particular, for the thinly veiled inference.

But as gingernut says, the area has changed dramatically over the years from when it was prudent to lock your car doors on Princess Parkway and avoid a certain petrol station opposite the brewery.

krismiler 13th Aug 2018 09:39

It's not called "Gunchester" for nothing.😀

.22 ammunition is popular with assassin's as the bullet deforms on impact to the extent where it's almost impossible to match to the gun that fired it.

pattern_is_full 13th Aug 2018 09:55


"Richie loved to use 22s because the bullets are small and they don't come out the other end like a 45 - see, a 45 will blow a barn door out the back of your head and there's a lot of dry cleaning involved, but a 22 will just rattle around like err, yer Pac-Man until you're dead."

Vincent 'Vinnie' Antonelli (Steve Martin) My Blue Heaven
Sorry - as you were. ;)

ATNotts 13th Aug 2018 09:59


Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 10222278)
It's not called "Gunchester" for nothing.😀.

Bad reputations are easily won, and hellishly hard to lose. When I tell people I'm working in The Meadows, St. Anns or heaven forbid, Hyson Green areas in Nottingham they recoil in horror. In reality they aren't the places they were a couple of decades ago. Yes just recently one of these areas suffered gun violence, and Nottinghamshire's best have felt the collars of a number of people at the weekend who are now heading for court. Bus as soon as something like that happens all the old assumptions about safety and crime resurface. I'm sure Moss Side is similar, nothing like the place it was, but this one incident reported nationally (as it should have been) leads journalists and politicians who should know better to resort to all the familiar cliches.


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