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bcgallacher 30th May 2018 13:20

SNP Immigration policy
 
It would appear that in the new SNP independence document that they plan to increase the number of skilled immigrants by offering tax breaks to those who come to Scotland. I am sure this will go down well with Scots workers who will find themselves paying more tax than some recently arrived foreign colleague. The SNP policies get more lunatic by the minute, the latest currency policy is to use the Pound without financial unity for ten years before adopting a Scots currency. How this squares with rejoining the EU is beyond me.

Trossie 30th May 2018 13:21

Would immigrants from England qualify for those tax breaks?

Groundloop 30th May 2018 13:22


How this squares with rejoining the EU is beyond me.
An independent Scotland would not be allowed to join the EU - Spain would veto it. They could not be seen to condone breakaway countries as that would encourage the Catalunyans to try breaking away again!

bcgallacher 30th May 2018 13:32

Groundloop - the Spaniards would not have to veto it,the Scots economy is a disaster - the highest GDP deficit in the EU, makes even the Greek economy look good. Qualification for the EU and especially the Euro would be well nigh impossible.As far as using the pound is concerned I can remember Alex Salmonds statement that independence would allow us 'to remove the millstone of the UK pound from around our neck'.

edi_local 30th May 2018 15:04

Spain have not said they would block Scotland from EU membership, they have infact stated the exact opposite.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/spain-drops-plan-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/spain-foreign-minister-alfonso-dastis-no-veto-independent-scotland-eu-membership-application-a7662531.html

https://www.scotsman.com/news/spain-would-not-block-independent-scotland-eu-application-1-4409892

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/spain-not-block-scotland-eu_uk_58e152dce4b0b3918c8463ed

Fareastdriver 30th May 2018 15:28

Before Scotland can join the EU they will have to have another Referendum.

Not so easy.

http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questi...d-asked-a#line

renfrew 30th May 2018 17:21

The expectation up here is that a new referendum date will be announced in the Autumn.

flash8 30th May 2018 17:34


The expectation up here is that a new referendum date will be announced in the Autumn.
The wee Krankie has a mission and nothing is going to stop her, not even the people if she can help it!

bcgallacher 30th May 2018 18:20

SNP referendum.
 

Originally Posted by flash8 (Post 10160905)
The wee Krankie has a mission and nothing is going to stop her, not even the people if she can help it!

The fish will have to get the consent of whoever is PM at the time in order to have another referendum. At this time she does not have the legal authority .

edi_local 30th May 2018 19:41

There is actually no law stating consent is required.
Nor one preventing a referendum being held at any time.
Nor one preventing Scotland actually leaving the union without Westminster approval.
Nor one stating that if a pro Indy majority wins at Hollywood then they can simply declare UDI.

The UK isn't Spain and Scotland isn't Catalonia. The same rules don't apply. The UK doesn't actually have laws preventing secession. Or a constitution to stop it either.

In short, there isn't much May can do but a lot Sturgeon can do to pursue her political desire. I just dont think either of them realises that.

ShotOne 30th May 2018 22:07

“Sturgeon...pursue her political desire”. Didn’t Scotland vote on it?? if the last vote had been for independence how would SNP feel about calls now for a re-run?

bcgallacher 30th May 2018 22:42


Originally Posted by edi_local (Post 10160990)
There is actually no law stating consent is required.
Nor one preventing a referendum being held at any time.
Nor one preventing Scotland actually leaving the union without Westminster approval.
Nor one stating that if a pro Indy majority wins at Hollywood then they can simply declare UDI.

The UK isn't Spain and Scotland isn't Catalonia. The same rules don't apply. The UK doesn't actually have laws preventing secession. Or a constitution to stop it either.

In short, there isn't much May can do but a lot Sturgeon can do to pursue her political desire. I just dont think either of them realises that.

The consequences of Scotland declaring independence would be appalling for the country - we are at this time incapable of financing our economy without a 10billion pound yearly subsidy from central government for example. It would also be without majority support and could lead to nothing less than a civil war. Even the fish is not that daft.

edi_local 30th May 2018 22:51

Doesn't really matter does it? Had Yes won and there was a political party in power advocating a new vote the pro indy parties would have to respect it. Just as the pro union parties now have to respect the fact that Holyrood is majority pro indy, as is Scotlands representation at WM and at council level, the Scottish parliament has actually agreed to the principle of a new referendum and of course there is also brexit. Whether or not you personally like it these are valid reasons for a new vote to be held. The time of a new vote will be what, 2020 to 2021? Surely enough time to see if people have changed their minds and are happy with the new status quo? A good 6 to 7 years since the last vote on the matter. We have elections more frequently than that and see political landscapes change.

Of course the whole thing is moot. Whether the UK would actually want to reabsorb poor, weak, "worse than Greece" Scotland is another thing. Surely once they are shot of us there will be no desire to let us renew our membership? However, that said, if being in the UK seems to ensure our poor, weak "worse than Greece" situation continues, then why is leaving seen as such a bad thing? Or do we only exist in the union so people can constantly say how bad Scotland performs in it?

edi_local 30th May 2018 22:53


Originally Posted by bcgallacher (Post 10161097)

The consequences of Scotland declaring independence would be appalling for the country - we are at this time incapable of financing our economy without a 10billion pound yearly subsidy from central government for example. It would also be without majority support and could lead to nothing less than a civil war. Even the fish is not that daft.

I'm not suggesting that's the road to be taken. I'm merely stating that there is no actual need for WM to give permission. There is nothing in our legal system, North or South of the border that says such a thing is required.

Fareastdriver 31st May 2018 08:20


Just as the pro union parties now have to respect the fact that Holyrood is majority pro indy,
The SNP is a minority government. They are only in power with the partnership of the Green Party which is supporting them for it's own agenda; not Independence.

Groundloop 31st May 2018 08:55


Originally Posted by edi_local (Post 10160801)

But all those links you have provided are about a single speech made six months BEFORE the Catalunyan problem really kicked off last October. The Spanish Government have probably changed their mind!

ZH875 31st May 2018 09:21

Sturgeon doesn't want independence, she wants to be told she can't have it. That way she can continue to blame Westminster for the failings of the SNP parliament.

VP959 31st May 2018 09:28


Originally Posted by ZH875 (Post 10161391)
Sturgeon doesn't want independence, she wants to be told she can't have it. That way she can continue to blame Westminster for the failings of the SNP parliament.

I rather suspect that this is very close to the truth.

Trossie 31st May 2018 09:30


Originally Posted by edi_local (Post 10161103)
Just as the pro union parties now have to respect the fact that Holyrood is majority pro indy, as is Scotlands representation at WM and at council level, ...

Shall I spoil this one with facts?
2017 General Election results had pro-union parties win 62.5% of the vote. (Ignore seats/wards as referenda are not counted that way, they just count the actual votes cast.) So that election shows that there is a clear trend away from the independence dream (nightmare?). Pro-independence parties (or is there only one?) should respect that.

(I went to see that 'wee parliamentie thingie' a while ago. Hideous building! The entrance looked worse than that of a low-grade budget hotel. However, I was impressed with one thing: a fishpond just outside the entrance. Nice to see that they provide recreational facilities so close to the site.)

dook 31st May 2018 09:56

Fishermen will tell you that the sturgeon is a bottom feeder.


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