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Chronus 10th Apr 2018 19:08

On the eve of war
 
According to foreign press reports the US aircraft carrier Harry Truman, with its escort of 7 ships will be sailing tomorrow for the Med. The US strike force will be accompanied by the German Sachsen Class guided missile frigate FGS Hessen.

https://www.rt.com/usa/423744-us-aircraft-truman-syria/

There does not appear to be any UN involvement in this deployment and it is also curious that the US has not considered requesting Turkey to allow use of its airbases rather than deploy a carrier borne combat group.
It does raise the question whether the deployment of this powerful military force is a move to deter any reaction to the alleged Israeli missile attack on the Syrian air base.

Let`s hope this move does not set alight the tinder box that is the Middle East today. The conditions are ideal for the perfect fire storm.

ORAC 10th Apr 2018 19:28

A stupid ignorant post.

A routine deployment. If the USA decides any action is required the in place European deployed USAF assets plus the USN forces already in the Med and Gulf are more than adequate. Before you did add any B-52, B-1 or B-2 assets of course.

Chronus 10th Apr 2018 19:37


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10113682)
A stupid ignorant post.

A routine deployment. If the USA decides any action is required the in place European deployed USAF assets plus the USN forces already in the Med and Gulf are more than adequate. Before you did add any B-52, B-1 or B-2 assets of course.

Arrogance may be ignored, but stupidity and ignorance are to be feared.

flash8 10th Apr 2018 19:40


The conditions are ideal for the perfect fire storm.
Indeed they are, S-400's are hot in Syria apparently, unlike previous activations they (the Russians) might decide to use them this time. These aren't crappy third-rate SAM's but arguably the best in the world and more than capable of taking out any US/Allied air power, they fear them as they rightly should.

The Bear should not be poked.

pr00ne 10th Apr 2018 20:32

The bear should not support brutal dictators and condone the callous murder of children.

It should also tread very carefully...

KelvinD 10th Apr 2018 20:45

And who is supporting the murder of children? Clue: The West is supporting ISIS, Al Qaeda et al. They may be termed "opposition" but they are still Islamic head bangers.
And the Us & UK wouldn't support the murder of Yemeni children by supplying the weapons to Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Would they?

racedo 10th Apr 2018 20:51


Originally Posted by pr00ne (Post 10113758)
The bear should not support brutal dictators and condone the callous murder of children.

It should also tread very carefully...

Strange you are quiet on Yemen, the dismemberment of Libya etc

Nemrytter 10th Apr 2018 20:57

I get the impression that some people on here are just itching for this. Odd to get a hard-on over war.

Lonewolf_50 10th Apr 2018 20:58


Originally Posted by Chronus (Post 10113666)
According to foreign press reports the US aircraft carrier Harry Truman, with its escort of 7 ships will be sailing tomorrow for the Med. The US strike force will be accompanied by the German Sachsen Class guided missile frigate FGS Hessen.

Chicken Little much, Chrnous? During the 80's, that would be considered a small CVBG. We deployed from Norfolk with some regularity Carrier Battle groups with more ships than that for six month deployments to the Med. Oddly enough, war didn't start.
Why would it start now?

The USN still deploys CVBG's to the med, each year, like clockwork. When you don't know what you are talking about, it is easy to say some really stupid things. ORAC's response to you was spot on.

@Kelvin/racedo: do try to stay on topic. Your knee jerk responses to cut and paste "what about this" to anything to do with the US is pretty transparent. Raise your game, would you please?

As to war, there is already one in Syria. It's been going on since 2011, and a lot of people have chosen to participate to one extent or the other. Fun in the sand box for all of the kiddies.

VP959 10th Apr 2018 21:04


Originally Posted by KelvinD (Post 10113766)
And who is supporting the murder of children? Clue: The West is supporting ISIS, Al Qaeda et al. They may be termed "opposition" but they are still Islamic head bangers.
And the Us & UK wouldn't support the murder of Yemeni children by supplying the weapons to Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Would they?

Specifically who in the West, and where is the evidence to support this view?

Certainly companies in the West have sold arms to many states that some of us would rather they haven't, but the same is true of arms manufacturers in many non-Western states too.

When it comes to the intervention of governments around the world then frankly I don't think there are many states that haven't directly or indirectly interfered in affairs that we might be critical of.

Personally, I think that we should stay well out of direct military intervention in Syria, UNLESS there is solid, independently verified, evidence that proves beyond reasonable doubt that the Syrian government have used WMD. All this talk of taking military action now is highly premature when all we have are reports that are untrustworthy at best, and have been spun in all directions by those with vested interests in the region.

Highway1 10th Apr 2018 21:07


Originally Posted by KelvinD (Post 10113766)
And who is supporting the murder of children? Clue: The West is supporting ISIS, Al Qaeda et al.

Are you sure - we spent all last year bombing ISIS, when did this change?

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/raf-denies-iraq-syria-civilian-casualties/

TEEEJ 10th Apr 2018 21:30

Chronus,

This is a routine deployment. The carrier strike group has been working up over the past couple of months. See the FB page for the pre-deployment preparations and briefings.

USS Harry S Truman Carrier Strike Group gets underway for pre-deployment training exercise | WTKR.com

https://www.facebook.com/USSTruman/

Effluent Man 10th Apr 2018 21:51


Originally Posted by KelvinD (Post 10113766)
And who is supporting the murder of children? Clue: The West is supporting ISIS, Al Qaeda et al. They may be termed "opposition" but they are still Islamic head bangers.
And the Us & UK wouldn't support the murder of Yemeni children by supplying the weapons to Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Would they?

Personally I wouldn't want to risk war for Islamic head bangers of any stripe. I think this attempt to intervene is likely to go very wrong. This is turning very dangerous indeed now.

ethicalconundrum 10th Apr 2018 22:00

everything I've read so far on US policy over there is we want to get out, and stay out. Trump seems to be tired of this continuous low-level engagements that have little or no chance of success, and no real definition of success. Syria isn't going to be the economic miracle capitalist society in my lifetime. Israel has shown with vigor it is able to defend themselves from any kind of tin-pot muslim dictator. Can't see any more US involvement on the horizon. meh

galaxy flyer 10th Apr 2018 22:02


Originally Posted by flash8 (Post 10113693)
Indeed they are, S-400's are hot in Syria apparently, unlike previous activations they (the Russians) might decide to use them this time. These aren't crappy third-rate SAM's but arguably the best in the world and more than capable of taking out any US/Allied air power, they fear them as they rightly should.

The Bear should not be poked.

You are a Russian troll. The S-400 that Russia used to shoot down an airliner cruising at F350. If you don’t think countermeasures have been designed and tested, you are crazy. The Israelis just attacked an airbase in Syria without so much as a launch.

The Bear poked at the Syrian deconfliction line last month and its teeth knocked out. Perhaps dozens of Russian-controlled “little green men” killed.

GF

flash8 10th Apr 2018 22:12


You are a Russian troll.

you are crazy.
Ahhh GF, don't hold back :) :)

galaxy flyer 10th Apr 2018 23:08

I won’t, you’re a Putin apologist, too.

GF

flash8 10th Apr 2018 23:36


I won’t, you’re a Putin apologist, too.
To be honest I am not insulted easily Mr GF, and perhaps I don't even view your comments as insults actually :) The best defence though is not via ad hominem but facts, and I like dealing with those, because the only thing that is valid ultimately is truth. Sometimes that gets lost.

galaxy flyer 11th Apr 2018 00:17

I gave facts, the S-400 is great for killing airliners.

GF

NutLoose 11th Apr 2018 00:21

https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...-airborne.html


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