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BehindBlueEyes 24th Jan 2018 06:55

Men Only black tie event - FT investigation.
 
Presidents Club: Men's event accused of sexually harassing hostesses - Business Insider

https://www.ft.com/video/5e65b937-ae...b-285e630c0524

Hostesses 'flashed at and groped' during Dorchester gala | Daily Mail Online

https://www.ft.com/content/075d679e-...0-9c0ad2d7c5b5





Boorish behaviour or business men just having fun?

If the investigation by the FT is accurate, I’m surprised that so many of the great and good would want to be part of such stag night type behaviour. Even if it does raise 2 million for charity, is it really appropriate in this day and age?

annakm 24th Jan 2018 09:38

Looks like a sponser is already distancing itself:

WPP drops charity event after sexual misconduct claims - BBC News

Training Risky 24th Jan 2018 10:19

If only all Mess dining-in nights were like this!

G-CPTN 24th Jan 2018 10:32

Presidents Club: Ormond Street returns donations in harassment scandal.

goudie 24th Jan 2018 10:49

You stick loads of successful well heeled men in a room, supply them with loads of booze and 'hostesses' and surprise, surprise, some of the men's behavior becomes questionable.
Why have the hostesses anyway?

charliegolf 24th Jan 2018 11:02

Hostess: waitress in old money?

CG

Edit, clearly not!

Trossie 24th Jan 2018 11:07

The ***-wits who attended this and behaved like that deserve absolutely no sympathy for their gross inability to have paid any attention to the prevailing news 'fad' at the moment.

(One wonders if the genders had been reversed at this event if it would have received the same high levels of publicity or if it would have been 'brushed under the carpet'?)

Gertrude the Wombat 24th Jan 2018 11:13

To me the problem is that the charities benefiting from this event failed to make clear to the punters

- what was included in the ticket price
- what wasn't included in the ticket price but was available at extra cost
- what wasn't on offer at all.

Some of the punters seem to have believed that groping was included in the price, which was why they groped, but that other sexual services were extra cost, which was why they tried to negotiate.

The idea that no sexual service were available at all would not, I suggest, have crossed the minds of any of the punters: WTF were all the girls dressed up as tarts there for in the first place?

oldchina 24th Jan 2018 12:19

I'm seriously wondering whether there's any retirement income to be gained by pursuing women who may have laid their hand on my dick in the 1960s without written authorisation.

Effluent Man 24th Jan 2018 12:23

All this to me is down to one thing - bad manners. The people involved in this are exactly the same ones who would criticise the ASBO culture, and both behaviours stem from exactly the same dodgy values. How could the men involved in this possibly come to the conclusion that their actions were wanted and welcome? I think that if I had found myself at such an event I would have made my excuses and left.

I have been to some pretty wild parties over the years, so I am not a prude. The difference is that at all the ones I attended the guests were fully aware of the agenda and went fully informed and happy to partake.

Grayfly 24th Jan 2018 12:34

Puzzled why the FT would be interested in exposing this, they claim they knew this had been happening over the last decade. The charities obviously knew this was happening at these events and were quite happy to remain 'ignorant' about it.

Now that the FT has exposed the previously accepted outrageous behaviour, the charities don't want the money raised.

Who exactly is benefitting from this?

Who gets the money that has been raised?

Why is anyone surprised?

ImageGear 24th Jan 2018 12:43


'I was GROPED' Journalist uncovers shocking antics at MEN-ONLY millionaire charity dinner
I do not condone in anyway what took place at this event, however let it be said; What was the FT journalist expecting, cucumber sandwiches and lemonade?. I would not be surprised if she was hoping to be groped in order to gain "column inches" and improve her "Journalistic" credentials. Indeed she may have encouraged it but to say so would not be politically correct. Was she also dressed as a "Tart"?

As for the "members", they were ridiculously suckered and will now pay the piper.

Imagegear

Grayfly 24th Jan 2018 12:51

One of the organisers has now quit his post. The twitter feed is alive with all those who attended distancing themselves from any bad behaviour and surprisingly no one saw anything.

However, they won't be going back to that event.

The moral high ground must be very crowded at the moment.

G-CPTN 24th Jan 2018 12:55

As has been pointed out, some of the recipients of this 'charity' no longer want to receive donations from this source - so where will they make good their shortfall?

Gertrude the Wombat 24th Jan 2018 12:58


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 10030123)
How could the men involved in this possibly come to the conclusion that their actions were wanted and welcome?

'Cos there was one woman to three men, and each woman was paid 150 for the night, so each man was paying 50 for the women, and some of them thought that they were therefore entitled to 50 worth? (Not being a user of prostitutes I have no idea how much that usually buys.)

Highway1 24th Jan 2018 13:09

Sounds more like a story for the News of the World rather than the FT - are the FT looking at going tabloid?

Curious Pax 24th Jan 2018 13:30


Originally Posted by Grayfly (Post 10030133)
Puzzled why the FT would be interested in exposing this, they claim they knew this had been happening over the last decade. The charities obviously knew this was happening at these events and were quite happy to remain 'ignorant' about it.

Have you been hiding under a rock for the last 12 months?


Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat
'Cos there was one woman to three men, and each woman was paid 150 for the night, so each man was paying 50 for the women, and some of them thought that they were therefore entitled to 50 worth? (Not being a user of prostitutes I have no idea how much that usually buys.)

Is it normal to attend an event at an upmarket venue, establish the pay rates for staff working there, and then based on that decide the appropriate level of harrassment?

NutLoose 24th Jan 2018 14:03

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...orm/ar-AAv6ElD


"Asked whether the Prime Minister was concerned about the attendance of children and families minister Nadhim Zahawi at the event, a senior Number 10 source said: "My understanding is that Mr Zahawi clearly did attend the event briefly. "
He has himself said he was uncomfortable at it, leaving at the point at which the hostesses were introduced by the host.
I think he himself probably regrets the decision to go."
Is that go as in go to the event or as in leave early? They could have worded that better.

Gertrude the Wombat 24th Jan 2018 14:08


Originally Posted by Curious Pax (Post 10030190)
Is it normal to attend an event at an upmarket venue ...

Not for me.

Nemrytter 24th Jan 2018 14:13


Originally Posted by Curious Pax (Post 10030190)
Have you been hiding under a rock for the last 12 months?

This is PPRuNe you're talking about, most members of this place have been hiding under a rock since the mid-eighties at best.


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