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flydive1 4th Sep 2015 15:25


Originally Posted by chuks (Post 9105395)
We Americans have at least two ways of "compensating," guns and huge pick-up trucks.

Understood. Americans need two penis extensions:ok:

;)

bcgallacher 4th Sep 2015 17:24

The American military were not based in Europe to protect the Europeans but in an attempt to ensure that a major conflict with the USSR could be contained there without spreading to the US mainland.

chuks 4th Sep 2015 17:44

No, not exactly ....
 
A German said that less is more (Weniger ist Mehr). Well, we Americans know that, no, more is more! Big everything ....

Some of you guys, it reads as if you use a "pinky cheater" for a condom and sit down to pee. You need to chillax, become more accepting of what the Big Dog gets up to, before you are taken to be using whinging as your own way of compensating, being barred as you must be from owning both guns and big pickup trucks!

con-pilot 4th Sep 2015 17:57


Originally Posted by bcgallacher (Post 9105628)
The American military were not based in Europe to protect the Europeans but in an attempt to ensure that a major conflict with the USSR could be contained there without spreading to the US mainland.

Oh really, just what were the Soviets going to do, build a bridge so their invasion could spread to the US mainland across the Atlantic Ocean? :p

Lonewolf_50 4th Sep 2015 18:01


Originally Posted by bcgallacher (Post 9105628)
The American military were not based in Europe to protect the Europeans but in an attempt to ensure that a major conflict with the USSR could be contained there without spreading to the US mainland.

That's a bit rich for a piece of revisionism

They were there initially as an army of occupation, which role transformed into being there to prevent aggression (which is PROTECTING the lands where they were stationed) and failing that, to stop whomever invaded central/western Europe from taking the bloody whole continent. It was obvious that the believed/perceived invader was the USSR and/or it various Warsaw Pact clients/allies.

As time went on, the reasons to keep the large body of people and materiel evolved, and then to my eye mutated. When the Wall dropped in 89, to include the decisions on how many units to disband/return home got thrown a curve ball: NATO (ALL 16 NATIONS!) chose to begin 'out of area' operations. The result of this was that fewer units could be returned/sent home since the US had now committed to launching operations (with allies) from NATO soil into non NATO soil. That wasn't generally the case before (though an interesting bit of bilateral help was received form our friends the Brits for Dorado Canyon ... but NOT from the French)

I got the chance to be involved in some work involved in that whole new concept, "out of area operations," as well as operations themselves IFOR/SFOR.

ISAF is / was a further mutation/change to our allied and collective defense efforts.

Lonewolf_50 4th Sep 2015 19:28

Note the brutality in this case: hacked to death by machetes in Florida.

5th person arrested in Florida teen machete slaying - CBS News

Another day in the life, in Florida.

flydive1 4th Sep 2015 20:56


Originally Posted by chuks (Post 9105648)
being barred as you must be from owning both guns and big pickup trucks!

Who is? .

OldCessna 5th Sep 2015 03:18

There's plenty of sickos to go around the world.

This incident comes to mind!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Keith_Blakelock

megan 5th Sep 2015 05:56


Oh really, just what were the Soviets going to do, build a bridge so their invasion could spread to the US mainland across the Atlantic Ocean?
The money spent on the DEW, Mid Canada and Pinetree lines were a waste then con? I was under the impression it was to detect incoming Soviet bombers during the Cold War, and provide early warning of any sea-and-land invasion.

PacWest 5th Sep 2015 06:30

American Ingenuity at its' finest:


Florida gunmaker produces assault rifle 'never to be used by Muslim terrorists' | Fox News


:D


"Thomas also told the paper the safety selector that controls the Crusader's trigger has three settings: Peace, War and God Wills It....."


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Simplythebeast 5th Sep 2015 07:21

There is something to be said for strict gun laws in the UK when one considers that the vast majority of Police Officers don't carry a firearm yet since 2000 only 4 have been shot and killed, while in America where they are routinely armed, in the same time period 764 have been shot to death and 57 have accidently shot and killed themselves or a colleague.
821 killed by guns in a land where Cops are armed to protect themselves, and 4 killed by guns in a land where Cops are generally not armed.
Ahh you might say... But what about all your knife crime in the UK? Well in the same period again 3 Officers (all unarmed) were stabbed to death in the UK compared to 19 in the U.S. where the Officers were 'protected' by their firearms.
Even considering the Population difference that has to say something for the sickness in U.S. society.
Statistics taken from the 'Officer Down Memorial Site' and the 'UK Police Memorial site'.

Dr Jekyll 5th Sep 2015 08:19

Mexico has stricter gun laws than the US but a higher murder rate. You can't just compare the UK with the US and ignore everywhere else.

bcgallacher 5th Sep 2015 08:29

Con Pilot - you are a little naive - it was nothing to do with invasion of America - it was to confine any use of nuclear weapons to tactical,rather than intercontinental missiles. Do you really think that there would have been anything left to invade in either country after a nuclear war? The USSR would not have launched an ICBM attack as retaliation in kind would have been swift.Tactical nuclear weapon use on the European battlefield would have been inevitable but it would have been confined to Europe.

chuks 5th Sep 2015 08:39

Here's another visionary! You know for a certainty what the US intended, Mr Gallacher? How about thinking that a lot of that was reactive, scrambling around to counter Soviet moves?

You guys like to forget this, but in the period towards the end of the Second World War, on into the immediate prelude to the Cold War, we rather naively expected the Soviet Union to be a partner in restoring war-damaged Europe. Churchill it was who rang the alarm bell with his "Iron Curtain" speech, delivered in the USA.

You need to get together with that fellow who knows who started the Korean War, to chew the rag about the Great Satan, about how sick we really are, forgetting anything positive we have achieved.

Look, you guys have been handed a rather full explanation of how and why the States has so many guns, yet you prefer to look for some sort of amateur's pschoanalytic explanation, some "sickness." Stop for a moment to ponder "transference," the assigning of your own problem or problems to another. That would be "compensating" for some inadequacy of your own by seeing that in another. As it is, many Americans who could easily purchase and carry guns choose not to do so, while many foreigners who could not do that at all boast of not doing so! That's nonsense, actually.

Do you see Americans getting their knickers in a twist about how German highways usually have no absolute speed limit, that this shows some "sickness?" No, we tend to stick to our own knitting.

Simplythebeast 5th Sep 2015 08:56

Even with no absolute speed limit Germany has a third of the death rate per 1,000,000 people compared to the good ole US of A. Obviously poor drivers as well.

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/c...ts/by-country/

Pali 5th Sep 2015 10:02

Interesting thread is this. I am bit surprised that some things are not mentioned yet. Just try to find out for yourself:
- how many mass shooting were committed at venues where guns are prohibited (as if the shooters calculated with fact that there will be no self defence and had a plenty of time before police arrived)
- find out how many of shooters didn't take prescription drugs (you will find very few if any and you may be surprised that such drugs make people soulless and emotionless zombies with increased risk of homicide/suicide impulse)

Remember Michael Moore bashing guns in his film about Columbine? And yet it was him who came later with this question:



Maybe it would be good idea to study a bit more about cause and effect in all this.

onetrack 5th Sep 2015 12:15


"Thomas also told the paper the safety selector that controls the Crusader's trigger has three settings: Peace, War and God Wills It....."
Not a real lot of difference there, to "Allah willing", is there? Seems like fundamentalists the world over, are happy to arm up and kill anyone who disagrees with them ... :suspect:
The one true God is the one of Peace, Love and Compassion. Not the God of Murder, Hatred and Intolerance, the false God. Some people seem to have trouble distinguishing between the two.
Then again, you will always have those who worship the Gun God, Moloch, rather than the One True God. When people take their guns to church, you know exactly who it is they are really worshipping.

Seldomfitforpurpose 5th Sep 2015 15:02


Originally Posted by Pali (Post 9106342)
Maybe it would be good idea to study a bit more about cause and effect in all this.

Cause, you allow your population to legally own guns with very little in the way of checks and balances.

Effect, a small percentage of your population will go on to do stupid or wicked things with those legally owned guns.

Failing to see that direct link is simply burying your head in the sand, the cost of your 2nd Amendment freedoms is the inevitable loss of innocent lives due to stupidity or evil on the part of a small number of legal gun owners.

Gertrude the Wombat 5th Sep 2015 15:57


What's that?
Whatever you like, pretty much - there are plenty to choose from. Or you can make up your own, just as someone made up all the others.


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