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Hempy 14th Oct 2017 14:59


Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere (Post 9924854)
Just when you thought Donald couldn't get any dumber.....

Donald Trump didn?t know he was president of the Virgin Islands

Oh God, don't tell him either! He'll probably try to grab them by the p#ssy...

chuks 14th Oct 2017 15:33

By their Caps shall you know them ....
 
The Donald and Melania seem to like wearing their baseball caps, even indoors when nobody around them seems to need to shade their eyes, and random Trumpsters seem to like using Caps on random items such as Data and Phone Boxes. Why is this? I have no idea why, but goofy dress sense and lousy grammar, both involving caps, definitely seem to be markers for Trump and Trumpism: right-wing "thought" put into action and into print.

SASless, isn't it quite clear that Trump cares much less for the troubles of Puerto Rico than he does for those of other parts of the States? I see it so, and I see that you also care a bit less for their troubles, given the way that you take the trouble to point out where they started rather than how poorly Trump is handling them. Is this really the time to point the finger and tell them that it's mostly their own fault?

That debt burden is down to much more than just Latin fecklessness; it has a lot to do with the peculiar status of Puerto Rico as a territory, doesn't it?

Do you have a source for that number, SASless, the "almost Twenty Thousand Federal Workers/Military personnel engaged in Relief/Recovery Operations"? (sic) The last time the Donald bloviated on this it was ten thousand, which seemed to include workers sited far away from the island itself but cited as if they were there on the island. Why not count the total number in all our armed forces if we are going to play with numbers in this way?

I don't hate Trump. He's not worth that, being much more like something I want to scrape off my shoe. It's interesting, SASless, that you still have so much time for the guy. That was okay when he scraped into office, given that he seemed to be just marginally worse than Shrillary if you wanted to look at him from under a MAGA cap. Now, though, after such a lousy performance, starting with his bizarre, blatantly lying claims about the numbers at his inauguration? You are still behind him? That's weird!

Yeah, it's Germany for me, where people mostly just look at Donald Trump and shake their heads. There are Germans who like his style, but they, just like those Trump supporters from Charlottesville, mostly like parts of Hitler's style too, when some are very good people. Very good people who probably want to rip off my Birkenstocks and flog me with them, but still very good, oh yes ....

SASless, which crowd would you have chosen to march with at Charlottesville, if you had to choose? The one that Trump backed, or the other one?

SASless 14th Oct 2017 16:40


which crowd would you have chosen to march with at Charlottesville, if you had to choose? The one that Trump backed, or the other one?

Chuks, you as many mistake my objection to frivolous, biased, downright factually wrong, TDS generated attacks on Trump as suggesting in some way I am a die hard Trump supporter. That old adage is proved true when ya'll assume such.

There are some things I like about Trump...there are some I merely tolerate....and there are some I very much do not like. However, I try to take an objective view of it all and will give credit where credit is due while speaking out when I see things I really do not like.

As to the quoted question it would appear your neo-liberal way of thinking requires you to think there are but two sides to any issue.

I damn sure do not stand with Antifa Thugs on anything.

I damn sure do not stand with Neo-Nazi's or White Supremacists.

Both groups are not worth spit in my view.

I suppose you cannot grasp there are good and decent folks on either side.

That is a shame as there are and there were in Charlottesville.

The Left and the Media shall never ever admit that but that is merely because they cannot allow themselves to be rational about the issues when it comes to their Agenda.

If you find that insulting or accusatory.....you will just have to deal with it.

Or....in your new Life View will you just get all offended and seek a Safe Space where you will not be confronted by opposing views like your Millennial College buddies?

oicur12.again 14th Oct 2017 16:42

So the US, under the command of the puppet in chief Trump, has announced intention to decertify the JCPOA with Iran.

Not because Iran has been proven to be non compliant, but because Trump “feels” that Iran is not working within the “spirit” of the agreement.

This despite the fact that the UN, the IAEA, France, Germany, UK, China and Russia have all stated that Iran is compliant and that the JCPOA is working. UK, France and Germany have issued a joint press release warning the US of the consequences of decertifying Iran.

Nicky Haley is on overtime at the IAEA trying to convince them to produce evidence of non-compliance. Sound familiar?

Saudi Arabia, the world’s foremost terrorist state and consumer of American arms and training and Israel are salivating at the thought that this action is designed purely to facilitate an attack on Iran for being a “terrorist state”.

The grand game continues.

SASless 14th Oct 2017 17:15

Did you miss the news....Congress has a role to play in all this yet.

Trump cannot just snap his fingers and make something happen....as Obama found out when the Federal Courts stepped in on some of his more blatant attempts to suborn the Constitution.

We have seen the same happen with Trump as you might possibly recall.

Facts can be such an inconvenient thing as Al Gore found out to his dismay.

There is a lesson there if you think about it.....good luck on that.

ethicalconundrum 14th Oct 2017 17:16


Originally Posted by oicur12.again (Post 9925008)
So the US, under the command of the puppet in chief Trump, has announced intention to decertify the JCPOA with Iran.

Not because Iran has been proven to be non compliant, but because Trump “feels” that Iran is not working within the “spirit” of the agreement.

This despite the fact that the UN, the IAEA, France, Germany, UK, China and Russia have all stated that Iran is compliant and that the JCPOA is working. UK, France and Germany have issued a joint press release warning the US of the consequences of decertifying Iran.

A) How would they know?

Iran rejects US call for UN nuclear watchdog inspections - CNN (please note the source of this, hardly an unbiased or friendly to Trump media outlet)

B) All or most of those countries have a large vested economic interest in seeing the agreement certified and continue. Why would the US be interested in their biased opinion? Go ahead - warn the US. We will run our country, and you can run yours. I think that's fair.

chuks 14th Oct 2017 17:28

No, no, SASless, there were only two sides there at Charlottesville, when Trump lined up behind the one with the Nazi flags, didn't he, by telling us that some of those who marched behind Nazi flags were "very fine people"?

Yeah, and Jane Fonda sat on that flak gun was a hot babe? No, context matters!

So, SASless, which of those two sides would you have lined up behind if you had to choose? I would have gone with the anti-fa, of course, so how about you? You can't just say "A plague o' both your houses," and leave it at that; here I ask you to pick one of just two, Trump's side, or the other side.

Ooh, awkward! "Nazis, or anti-fa, which is it to be?"

"I choose, umm, well ... I choose covfefe!"

"Pick up your shine box, get back in your pickup truck, and get the hell out of Dodge by sundown, you loser!"

What's with the caps? I might need a Safe Space? I don't even need a safe space, and you should know that. Birkenstocks, yeah, but that's a proper name written in caps, and something I do need.

Uncle Fred 14th Oct 2017 19:04

By their caps shall ye know them

Brilliant Chuks! Many of us have been trying to unpack that mystery for some time on these threads.

Not to tend toward the conspiratorial, but I have been left to believe that it is some kind of code...otherwise the irregularity, inconsistency, and incorrectness of it are simply too marked to make sense. Seeing that it also detracts from the argument he is trying to weakly make, very much in the manner of a sophist and even sollipsistically, would further lead one to believe that there are sub-textual messages being sent.

What else could be the reason? Particularly when many have mentioned this to him.

I guess its a cap thing and we just don't understand :8

cavuman1 14th Oct 2017 19:25

Puerto Rican Debacle
 
One observes that most residents of Puerto Rico do not have to pay the U. S. federal personal income tax. Taxation demands representation - just ask the tea partying cousins of 1773. This is the reason that Puerto Rico has a non-voting member of our House of Representatives. See where I'm going with this?

Christoforo Columbo named this fair island "rich port", and so it is. I visited this blessed isle in 2001 while on a Caribbean cruise. Its beauty, shared most of the Caribbean archipelago, is breath-taking. The turquoise of those waters is my favorite color. In stark contrast stood the crumbling infrastructure, boarded-up buildings in New San Juan, and a population which was most interested in relieving the "Yanquis" of their tourist dollars, but otherwise lackadaisical and less than friendly.

I am deeply troubled by the human tragedy wrought by this year's round of major hurricanes. May God and Washington, D.C. shine their respective visages on coastal Texas, Florida, and Puerto Rico; Ophelia may do damage to Ireland and Scotland. One must be inclined to think, however, that rebuilding might well favor the prepared...

- Ed

SASless 14th Oct 2017 19:28

Chuks,

You miss the point....I do not have to take up your challenge as it is a straw man argument at best.

Yours is an artificial choice....whereas my choices are in Realville.

I choose not to support, endorse, or sympathize with either group you seek to make my only choices in your hypothetical dilemma.

I wonder if your Roomname has been hacked somehow as you are sounding like many on my Peanut Gallery list.

galaxy flyer 14th Oct 2017 21:39

Here’s some facts on why the electric grid in PR is so slow in coming back. Hint: it’s the local power company’s fault.

PREPA forgoes mutual aid, opting for little-known contractor | Utility Dive

chuks 15th Oct 2017 06:08

Lousy grammar is a marker for the alt-right. I think it's that grammar is just another weak-kneed bow to the old order, another thing to be swept out of the way, along with showing dress sense.

If you want to use random caps and apostrophes, swap around "it's" for "its" and go off your tit's ... why not? It's just the internet, innit?

Ah, those little dots ... use as many as you like, instead of just three, or four .... Trump does, and you can too; it's okay!

You want to be outdoors at a sporting event when the sun is shining? Wear a baseball cap for that; it's what it's designed for, but bill to the front. Indoors, though? No cap. Simples.

Other rules: Tie to the belt, not below. Jacket buttoned. Hair neatly cut, not crafted into some bizarre thing a Chinaman would probably want to make soup out of, once he was sure it was safe to approach and harvest. If you want to wear a Brioni suit that lists for $6 thou, get your tailor to tailor the bastard so that it doesn't look like a sack full of spuds! Donald, are you paying attention? Probably not ....

SASless, you picked the fight over Puerto Rico, lining up behind the Orange One pointing out that this mess is pretty much their own fault. Now it turns out that was just a random decision, to get behind Trump? Sometimes this way, sometimes that way, sometimes just stood there in the middle of the road: that's you, really?

Charlottesville was pretty much binary. Anti-fa and demonstrators against Southern racism on one side;, neo-Nazis, racists and monument-fondlers on the other side. Choose one or the other, no nuances necessary.

Trump, SASless, whom you seem to have a certain amount of time for when it comes to his stance on Puerto Rico, came down on the side of the neo-Nazis, etc. when it comes to Charlottesville. You can't make up your mind which side to choose, though? What, it does not matter, or you just don't want to have to make up your mind, or what? I never knew you to be a shrinking violet before, so why the sudden fit of discretion?

I guess it's just too darn awkward to be seen lining up with this passel of clowns who marched behind Nazi flags, especially when that would mean not crossing the street to stand with a crowd of sandal-wearers. My heart pumps borscht for you.

We had a similar problem here, some years ago. This half-mad and totally unscrupulous lawyer, Jurgen Rieger, a bag man for "Alt-Nazis" (the real deal, cashed-up original Nazi party members), tried to set up a breeding center/activity center just down the road in Barme, when we went on demos against that. There we were, marching with police protection, mouth-breathing neo-Nazi thugs looking on from the sidelines, with these idiot anarchists marching wearing ski masks (which is illegal) and shouting vulgar and insulting anti-police slogans. "With friends like those ... " but what were we going to do? There were only two sides to this thing: neo-Nazi, and anti-neo-Nazi, so that I had to line up shoulder-to-shoulder with people I had almost as little use for as those neo-Nazi thugs. That's the sort of choice I am forcing on SASless, who for once is keeping quiet like a little mouse.

He's not alone in this. Look at how few Republican legislators seem to find anything deeply wrong with what Trump is, and what he's been getting up to, what he's getting us into. We are all going to have to pay for having chosen this complete ass-clown as President, all of us but Trump. He's going to walk, off into the sunset to live in one of his gilded palaces, happy to have served ... himself.

SASless 15th Oct 2017 14:53

Darn....I could have thought you were lumping Trump.......................in with Obama there for a moment...but you made it binary rather than realistic by swapping "Democrat" for "Republican" and "Obama" for "Trump"!

If you had, I would have applauded!

As you like simple choices....which is the bigger lie..."You can keep your Doctor, Insurance Policy, your Rates will go down....or "I have big hands!"?


He's not alone in this. Look at how few Republican legislators seem to find anything deeply wrong with what Trump is, and what he's been getting up to, what he's getting us into. We are all going to have to pay for having chosen this complete ass-clown as President, all of us but Trump. He's going to walk, off into the sunset to live in one of his gilded palaces, happy to have served ... himself.

chuks 15th Oct 2017 16:25

Even simpler, SASless: Who has told more lies in office, Obama or Trump? (Trump is past 1,300 and counting, and that's not even counting all the lies he's told until taking office. Obama? Not even close, I think, but you tell me!)

Are you living in the past, SASless? Trump is the President now; he's the one we have to worry about, being some sort of titanic liar, not Obama. You point is sort of pointless, like asking "Who is the worst dictator, Hitler, Stalin, or Kim Jong Un?" since only one of them is still in business.

You need to be careful, staying out there in the middle of the street, afraid to walk over and join your fellow Good Old Boys flying the Battle Flag for the Lost Cause, just because some others there are flying the Hakenkreuz. If I were you I would quit with the quibbling and just go stand there with your fellow believers to take what's coming to you. You look kind of silly suddenly coming over all sensitive about cheering on this blatantly racist Prez we have at times of your choosing, but not wanting to eat the whole enchilada.

I'm not saying that you don't have some proper twinges of disgust; I sure do when it comes to some of this LGBTQ nonsense, and Third Wave Feminism responding to micro-aggressions (I look and I'm a creep inflicting the "male glance, invading the personal space:" I don't look and I'm a creep failing to acknowledge a female as a person), but when there are only two sides, as there were at Charlottesville, I just have to go for the side that does not fly the Nazi flag, even if I do end up stood there with some pretty weird comrades.

oicur12.again 15th Oct 2017 18:28

“How would they know?”

Not really sure what you are asking here. Who are they? What should they know?

“All or most of those countries have a large vested economic interest in seeing the agreement certified and continue.”

You are correct. The non-US nexus particularly Russia, China and now Germany are very keen to see Iran move into the fold. The de-dollarization of the world is accelerating and Iranian oil is an important component.

The move away from greenback hegemony has been gathering pace for a long time and any of the actors that threaten the stability of the mighty backed by nothing paper currency will be dealt with.

Iran has been a key player in undermining the strength of the dollar particularly since the launch of the Kish bourse.

Which brings me to:

“Why would the US be interested in their biased opinion”

The US is clearly not interested in the opinion of anyone, why would they be. We have passed the tipping point of dollar hegemony and many traditional allies of Washington are jumping off the dollar bandwagon and will no longer lend support to Washington’s efforts to prop up the dollar.

Moves that could undermine the dollar are being made by states that have previously been relied upon to support the dollar.

Even key players like Qatar and KSR have signaled moves that indicate a possible departure from the reservation.

oicur12.again 15th Oct 2017 20:37

“We will run our country, and you can run yours. I think that's fair.”

Actually, I don’t think that’s fair at all. Because the American way of running “their” country is to use force and bomb other countries or overthrow their leaders or protect despotic leaders or subvert the democratic process or collapse their currency or suppress their labor rates or prevent safe labor practices all in the name of protecting the economic interests of the so called leaders in Washington.

Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Vietnam, Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua. Chile, Indonesia, Iran, Congo, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Cambodia, Laos, El Salvador, Guatemala, Philippines, Syria, Yemen . . . . . . . .

The standard of living in America comes at a huge price for others.

So don’t be at all surprised when people around the globe repulse at the thought that “we will run our country”.

galaxy flyer 15th Oct 2017 21:05


Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Vietnam, Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua. Chile, Indonesia, Iran
So, in the absence of the US, each, or at a majority, of those countries would have a standard of living on par with the US or Western Europe? Afghanistan would have labor laws like the US? Laos would be the new Hawaii? Honduras would a
Florida? Really, it’s America holding the Syrians back? Really?

GF

SASless 15th Oct 2017 22:19


Even key players like Qatar and KSR have signaled moves that indicate a possible departure from the reservation.

Isn't that when the Army is dispatched to round them up again and return them to said Reservation?

Or did Hollywood mislead us all this time?

oicur12.again 16th Oct 2017 19:09

“So, in the absence of the US, each, or at a majority, of those countries would have a standard of living on par with the US or Western Europe?”

No, I am not really sure how you arrived at that conclusion.

The point I am making is that US foreign policy has been responsible for compromising the standard of living in many countries around the globe in order to secure resources, energy, and cheap labor, access to markets for the benefit of those stateside.

I don’t think the standard of living in Laos for example was ever going to compare to Germany. However the saturation bombing and use of agent orange inflicted massive amounts of carnage on the country and reduced living standards that have still not recovered to this day.

The same can be said of many other countries from South East Asia to the Middle East.

galaxy flyer 16th Oct 2017 19:17

Inherent in “compromising the standard of living in many countries” is that, absent America or, for that matter, colonial rule, these countries would have substantially better living standards. Why isn’t Laos incapable of Western standards, are they inherently inferior? I take your point war has reduced their standards, but war can have the opposite effect. Singapore and Hong Kong may have benefited from American/British intervention and protection, as have the UAE with the protection of the Fifth Fleet.

GF


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