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Boudreaux Bob 16th May 2020 19:08

Just to show you how stupid the Trump Administration is....they used the UK Modeling for its own forecasts.

I guess the British Government and NHS are not the role models we thought they were.

Who is the most at fault....the source...the user....or the copycat?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...tware-mistake/

Brakes on 18th May 2020 00:13

Just in. Trump wants sports to start up again and doesn#t think the 10,000+ should be wearing masks.

IiS HE TRYING TO KILL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

I woudn'nt be surprised, considering how much he has downgraded the importance of the USA in the world and domesticaklly.

lomapaseo 18th May 2020 01:30


Originally Posted by Brakes on (Post 10785487)
Just in. Trump wants sports to start up again and doesn#t think the 10,000+ should be wearing masks.

IiS HE TRYING TO KILL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

I woudn'nt be surprised, considering how much he has downgraded the importance of the USA in the world and domesticaklly.


well at least somebody recognizes the futility of that mask requirement across the board

dr dre 18th May 2020 04:50


Originally Posted by Brakes on (Post 10785487)

IiS HE TRYING TO KILL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?.

No he's trying to win the election. The conspiracy is all pandemic prevention measures are the fault of the "Deep State Democrats" who are rigging the election. This time he let the loser son start the conspiracy, gotta let poor Eric have a win every now and then so he doesn't get too jealous of his siblings:

Eric Trump claims social distancing is a Democrat "strategy" and COVID-19 will "magically" disappear after election

obgraham 18th May 2020 06:33

Well, I've concluded my self-imposed 2 week sabbatical from this forum. It was actually quite relaxing. And meanwhile you all have carried on without me, and nothing has changed here. Peanuts are still being tossed from the gallery observers, and everything is Donald Trump's fault.

That's fine with me. I think I'll try to limit my commentary to new contributions to our mutual insanity here, rather than just repeating the same-old same-old. I await the incoming.

In the meantime, I am appalled at the staggering economic losses being sustained by individuals at all levels of our economies, from table waiters and burger flippers up through pilots and doctors. I hope that those affected will manage to pull through this, but many will not.

dr dre 18th May 2020 06:41


Originally Posted by obgraham (Post 10785643)
In the meantime, I am appalled at the staggering economic losses

The rest of us are upset and disheartened over the economic losses, but utterly appalled by the horrendous loss of life that has occurred and will continue to occur, not to mention the dangerous long term health complications that will harm survivors of this virus. But in the USA it's money before health:

COVID-19 survivors could suffer severe health effects for years

obgraham 18th May 2020 06:59


But in the USA it's money before health:
A false choice indeed.

The virus will be with us for a long time, and will leave its legacy of death and of health consequences. The choice is between Covid-19 illness and death along with unending economic ruin, both for individuals and nations, or Covid-19 illness and death along with eventual economic recovery.

In the US, one political party has a vested interest in seeing the latter choice postponed for at least another 6 months.

Crabman 18th May 2020 09:58


Originally Posted by obgraham (Post 10785660)
...
In the US, one political party has a vested interest in seeing the latter choice postponed for at least another 6 months.

It's always someone else's fault, isn't it? China, Democrats, Obama, Deep State, Bad Governors, ... Never the person who should be demonstrating some leadership.

Brakes on 18th May 2020 14:13


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10785598)
No he's trying to win the election.

He must win.If not and he is a 'normal' citizen again, a ton of lawsuits will drop on him and his kids.

lomapaseo 18th May 2020 15:36


Originally Posted by obgraham (Post 10785660)
A false choice indeed.

The virus will be with us for a long time, and will leave its legacy of death and of health consequences. The choice is between Covid-19 illness and death along with unending economic ruin, both for individuals and nations, or Covid-19 illness and death along with eventual economic recovery.

In the US, one political party has a vested interest in seeing the latter choice postponed for at least another 6 months.

Some wisdom in this, but I'm not to sure you have the cart behind the horse.

The political parties (the horse) as expected pander to their constituents (the cart). No surprise there. However the constituents (numbers) are not equal in thought between parties.

There appears to me to be a faction of financially stable constituents who value their health today more than the countries health in years to come. What is missing in this competition is any kind of model that shows the expected results for the future. Everything we read and hear is all short sided. Great for retirees but early death to the next generations

ORAC 18th May 2020 16:08

Cross post from the Pensacola Saudi shooting thread.

https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...l#post10786061

Dan Gerous 18th May 2020 19:09


Originally Posted by Brakes on (Post 10786032)
He must win.If not and he is a 'normal' citizen again, a ton of lawsuits will drop on him and his kids.

Not to worry, If he does win, they'll get them in 4 years.

Brakes on 18th May 2020 21:47


Originally Posted by Dan Gerous (Post 10786254)
Not to worry, If he does win, they'll get them in 4 years.

By then a number of potential lawsuits may have disappeared because they ran out of time, i. e. having had to be brought forward after a certain time. I#m sure his lawyers had a very close look at this and with Barr in his pocket. Furthermore, he has fired four IGs in the last two months ( replaced by his own lapdogs and there will certainly be more getting the chop) greatly reducing oversight and minimizing the system of checks and balances. I shudder when I think what the US will look like after four more years of Trump

Orange future 18th May 2020 22:31

I accidentally stumble across this faux news report.

Chock full of half truths, misdirection, omission’s and a few lies thrown in for good measure.

It goes a long way to explaining why so many old, white American men are so uninformed and ill prepared to deal with a genuine crisis.

America is in deep trouble.



Winemaker 18th May 2020 22:32

So Trump is treating himself with hydroxychloroquine because someone, who he doesn't know, wrote him a letter.........

“I happen to be taking it. I’m taking it, hydroxychloroquine. Right now, yeah.”
“I’ve had so many letters from people, like the one I told you about, I got it last week, I’ll give you – would you like a copy of it? I’d love to give you – if you ask Mollie she’ll give you a copy of it. But this is a doctor he doesn’t want anything I don’t know him never heard of him. He treats people that are that we’re talking about and he said out of hundreds of people that he’s treated he hasn’t lost one. And he just wanted me to know about it. That’s all. He wasn’t saying, ‘Gee can I have dinner with you Mr. President? I’d like to come to the White House.’ But I’ve received many such letters.”

Brakes on 19th May 2020 00:14

To: Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America
Mr. President, Sir, I am a construction engineer. You don't know me, you have never met me and you have never heard my name. However, I have 418 followers on Twitter and 641 on Facebook .I contacted all of them and got a 96% approval for my hard work for the following suggestion:

Since Nevada (you may know it's northeast of California (sorry for mentioning CA)) is suffering from a drought, why not blow a large hole in the Hoover Dam? The water released will certainly bring a relief to the suffering farmers so much loved and supported by you. There are certainly also some friends of yours in the Construction Industrie who would benefit from rebuilding the dam. Two birds with one stone.

This will also go a long way to flip a blue state to red on Novenber 2020.

There will certainly be some casualties, but, as with the corona virus and your desired speedy opening, these have to be accepted for the greater good , your friends in the Industrie and your re-election.

i certainly hope I have not exceeded the amount of text you are able to digest.

Turbine D 19th May 2020 22:12

I think most people know that I am not a fan of Donald J. Trump, never has been, never will be. So what follows is my opinion, but an opinion based on fact.

A friend of mine was lamenting over the trajectory the Federal deficit was going and stated it just wasn't the last two years (part being the COVID-19 virus). To his concerns I responded the following:


Did you happen to notice that the Federal deficit started on a recovery path after the 2008-2009 recession on Obama’s watch? That recovery path lasted, until the big deficit spender Donald J. Trump took office and since then, it has gone steeply the wrong way. I think I had mentioned to you that Trump lived off other people’s money while avoiding using any of his own even avoiding paying workers that did construction work in his NYC buildings.
So now he’s a bigwig in Washington DC and he has expanded the source of money he is living off of, yours, mine and all the American taxpayers while giving big corporations big tax breaks that use the avoided tax payment money to buy back stock so the executive suite folks, CEOs could get huge wage increases and they did, Donald's Mar-a-Lago best friends.
I’ll never understand how many naive American voters were duped into thinking he was going to be a successful leader of our country because they thought he was not only a successful businessman, he wasn’t, and he wasn’t a good business leader, just a narcissistic one man self adoring nit-wit who has no moral character while instilling that lack of moral character trait into his two oldest sons, Don Jr. and Eric. Trump voters believed he went to DC to drain the swamp, I figured he would use the swamp inhabitants to fill his administration positions, I still believe that.
These are but a few of the reasons and there are quite a few other, a list too long to post, Trump being a huge lier and cheat, that I refuse to refer to him as President of the United States of America, so we have an empty Oval Office that desperately needs a President that we don’t currently have. Trump is the leader for the great divide and it will get worse if he’s around for another 4 year term. So the the solution is to get out and vote in the fall national elections to bring the US back together and support our friends in the UK and Europe, the Atlantic Ocean hasn't gotten smaller, just our fake leader has.

Boudreaux Bob 19th May 2020 23:42

Did you fact check this?

All Spending Bills must originate in the US House of Representatives.

Congress holds the Purse Strings not the President.

Congress writes the Budget and appropriates the money.

Read that thing called the US Constitution then post.

pattern_is_full 20th May 2020 00:43

However, the President can veto whatever the House (and Senate) does - or choose to go along with it and sign it. Any spending or deficit Trump signed into law, he owns part of.

And it is standard practice for the President to submit a budget, or request other spending (or that matter, tax cuts) - which the House and Senate can then pass, amend, or reject and replace.

It is not the case that poor l'il Trumpo was forced to increase the deficit by a mean, nasty Congress. He happily signed for the 2017 tax cuts and the Covid relief spending, and he owns the resulting deficits as much as Congress does.

2017 tax cuts - passed by GOP-controlled House 227-205, passed by GOP-controlled Senate 51-49. Joint Conference version passd by similar votes. Trump signed the bill.

2020 Covid relief (CARES) act:, passed Mitch McConnell's GOP-controlled Senate 96-0, passed House on a voice vote. Signed by Donald Trump the same day.

golder 20th May 2020 03:16

You forgot to add Russian money laundering to his resume


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