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MTOW 22nd Oct 2015 06:47

david1300, it may sound stupid (and as you rightly say, low) to political junkies, as most who post here are, but the sad fact is, it's good politics by Penny Wong.

A distressingly huge percentage of Australian voters never look beyond a headline nor what they hear - IN PASSING - on the evening news while they're waiting for the really important stuff to come on - and by that, I mean the sports segment of the evening news, in particular, the footie.

Penny Wong is playing to that audience. Every time she comes up with some criticism, however inane, of the Liberal Government or any member of that government, it's like a Chinese water torture - drip, drip, drip. Some voter out there, possibly subliminally, takes on board the 'fact' that the Libs have screwed 'something' up again. It doesn't matter what they are supposed to have screwed up, they just heard it in the TV that (in this case) Julie Bishop screwed something up.

AbbottBad, AbbottBad, AbbottBad (which was incredibly successful, particularly with younger FM radio listeners), lives on, if with a slight change of wording.

Hempy 22nd Oct 2015 07:08


Originally Posted by MTOW
it's like a Chinese water torture

Thats racist don't you know!! The PC term for it these days is 'Water Boarding'. It sounds heaps more fun than 'water torture', especially an Oriental one! More like a ride at Wet 'n Wild or some other theme park. :ok:

Pinky the pilot 22nd Oct 2015 09:46

MTOW; I would have to disagree with the main thrust of your post, if from what I hear around this small Country Town I live in has any relevance.:ooh:

What I hear around here is in this case generally along the lines of
'who the:mad: is Penny Wong?;' Said as a description, not a question.

And most other comments about her cannot be repeated here, mainly because they refer to her sexual orientation in a most unfavourable manner.

Then again, I do live in a small country town and we all know that these places are not 'progressive' places now, don't we?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

MTOW 22nd Oct 2015 11:14

Pinky, she's working on the fact that people who don't follow politics hear the slurs in passing. They don't remember who said it, just that it had been said. And it works.

Ethel the Aardvark 22nd Oct 2015 12:24

Now its the 21 st century we can safely use the word lesbian. Dont be embarressed.
How come all the preppers seem to come out of their fall out shelters at the same time?

Ken Borough 22nd Oct 2015 23:18


Now its the 21 st century we can safely use the word lesbian. Dont be embarressed.
Lesbianese gets me out of embarrassment and any trouble. :}

Flying Binghi 23rd Oct 2015 06:39

Don't worry about insulting Her. Under sharia law She'll be getting thrown off a tall building any ways..:hmm:

Meanwhile, Tur Bull in history. Now, how did they make that spelling mistake..:E

But they didn?t forget the bull | Herald Sun Andrew Bolt Blog




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Pinky the pilot 23rd Oct 2015 09:29

Thank you Ethel, for your usual misspelled, patronising Green Left comment.:rolleyes:

SOPS 23rd Oct 2015 13:59

They can't leave him alone. Why are left so obsessed with him? You got you wish..he has gone...and your Shorten person is in meltdown in the polls.

Please can you stop hitting on Tont Abbott?

I mean...can we talk about Shortens time in the union movement sometime?

Taxpayers charged $37,000 for empty hotel rooms on Tony Abbott's Torres Strait trip - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Hempy 23rd Oct 2015 14:28


Originally Posted by SOPS
They can't leave him alone. Why are left so obsessed with him? You got you wish..he has gone...and your Shorten person is in meltdown in the polls.

Please can you stop hitting on Tont Abbott?

Yeah I know. Perpetually bringing up the performance of past leaders is nothing more than a pathetic attempt at deflection of the current issues by people who are diving for a hand-hold on reality.

I'm glad Rudd and Gillard haven't been mentioned here in the last two years....

Zapatas Blood 23rd Oct 2015 14:35

“Victim of islamic terrorism Curtis Cheng is laid to rest and turnbull is....”

Interested to know what exactly made this a terrorist attack versus a . . . .crime?

Dark Knight 23rd Oct 2015 23:18

Wayne Swan 10% preferred
Bill Shorten 9% preferred

Would indicate Bill Shorten is more than a Deadman Walking?

Ethel the Aardvark 24th Oct 2015 02:33

Our Tony is off next week to give the Thatcher talk in London. I wonder if he will dust off his pld pommy passport thats been hidden under his mattress for the last few years.

PinkusDickus 24th Oct 2015 03:02


I'm glad Rudd and Gillard haven't been mentioned here in the last two years....
Two years are up.... Gillard was a serial adultress and well qualified to be a Labor leader.

Seriously, to undo the damage Rudd and Gillard inflicted on Australia will take a decade to repair.

layman 24th Oct 2015 03:37

MTOW

you had me perplexed for a moment or 2

I thought you were conflating Abbott and terrorism.

I misread your "AbbottBad" as "Abbottabad" - location of OBL was when killed

regards
layman

Stanwell 24th Oct 2015 03:43

Onya, Dickus - the cracked record. Right on cue.
Some people just can't help themselves, can they?

As long as we're dealing with the past, I find Senator Bill Heffernan's latest allegations, in the Senate, intriguing.
Included in the list of (alleged) prominent paedophiles he's compiled from Police documents is... (drum-roll, please).. a former Prime Minister.

Now, just to liven things up, submissions are invited on just which side of politics 'knew nothing at all - it's just a shock to us'.


p.s. Please be careful when responding. Parliamentary Privilege doesn't extend to this forum.

megan 25th Oct 2015 01:57

From the net

A WOMAN claiming to be the victim of a “VIP paedophile ring”, which involved three former prime ministers, has alleged she was prostituted to “paedophile parties” at Parliament House in Canberra.
The claim that the events took place 40 years ago indeed puts some interesting personalities in the spotlight - if the claims are true of course.

TWT 26th Oct 2015 10:39

Muslim students walking out on National Anthem

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Worrals in the wilds 26th Oct 2015 11:13


Why are left so obsessed with him? You got you wish..he has gone...and your Shorten person is in meltdown in the polls.
I think you answered your own question. :}
EDIT: :E
Bill Shorten Concerned Bill Shorten Could Be Knifed By Bill Shorten | SBS Comedy

Included in the list of (alleged) prominent paedophiles he's compiled from Police documents is... (drum-roll, please).. a former Prime Minister.
Much local chat and placing of bets :suspect::E. I won't list the current odds because getting sued for defamation by anyone as wealthy and with as much free time as a former PM is not on my personal bucket list. However, as you say... if it's true. That's a big If; the claims are rather amazing. That's not to say they're untrue, but anyone can make a claim. Proving it is another matter. Law enforcement agencies compile lists of all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons, but those lists are never intended to be made public. Some of those names are famous and generate a lot of classified gossip, but that's where it's supposed to stay; having your name on a list doesn't make you guilty, or even a suspect. Hell, we're all probably on a few agency lists :cool::}.

'who the:mad: is Penny Wong?;' Said as a description, not a question.
With a few notable exceptions, you could insert any federal Senator's name (from any state) in there.

And most other comments about her cannot be repeated here, mainly because they refer to her sexual orientation in a most unfavourable manner.
FWIW, Wong has never made any secret about her lifestyle (for want of a better word), even though it certainly erodes her public support and allegedly cost her a particular ministry in the former federal government. That is in contrast to many, many other MPs, notables, commentators and other public figures past and present who were well known to be similarly inclined, but cover/ed it up with phoney marriages and speeches espousing Traditional Family Values.

Again, defamation being what it is (though it's arguable whether calling someone gay is actually defamatory these days) I'll not name names, but I reckon all of us political junkies (great term :ok:) could name a few MPs from our local areas whose personal habits don't match up to their spin, not by a looong shot. :suspect:

megan 2nd Nov 2015 00:39

TWT, the follow on, widely reported in the media. While it's the sort of take you would expect coming from Hizb ut-Tahrir, never the less it's a worry that they had an audience of 800. Still, all will be good when we have all converted.

Australia: Muslims complain that singing anthem is “forced assimilation”

“It’s not enough that you obey the law, no, you have to adopt our values,” Badar complained.

Uh, yeah. Because if you don’t adopt our values, eventually you will subvert the law. A nation of people without shared values will eventually collapse into dissolution and probably civil war.

Requiring schoolchildren to sing the national anthem, and the citizenship pledge supporting democratic values, are part of an oppressive campaign by Australian authorities of “forced assimilation” of the Muslim community, a conference heard this morning.

The conference held by Islamist activist group Hizb ut-Tahrir entitled “Innocent Until Proven Muslim” is taking place at Bankstown in Sydney’s west, attended by about 800 people.

Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar told the conference the Australian government “claims to afford freedom, but seeks to impose values and beliefs” on Muslims.

Muslims were expected to not just be gracious about Australian values, but publicly promote them, Mr Badar said.

This imposition of secular western values was reflected in the oath when taking out citizenship, Mr Badar said, with new citizens required to pledge allegiance to Australia “whose democratic beliefs I share”.

“It’s not enough that you obey the law, no, you have to adopt our values,” Mr Badar told the conference.

Similarly, Mr Badar said, schoolchildren were required to sing the national anthem, which he said, “reflects a disputed view of history”.

“If you don’t share those values, why should they be forced to sing it?” Mr Badar said.

The comments follow a backlash from many politicians and commentators to news last week that the principal of a Victorian primary school had excused Muslim students from singing Advance Australia Fair.

Mr Badar said the campaign by government and agencies against radicalisation was actually a smokescreen to “make Muslims less Islamic”.

“It is nothing less than forced assimilation … sought to be justified by exaggerated fear of a security threat,” he said.

Government efforts to promote what it bills as a moderate form of Islam might on occasion “buy out some Imam”, Mr Badar said, but overall, “the attempt to reform Islam is doomed to failure.”

The conference heard a series of members of the Muslim community, some by prerecorded audiovisual clips and some live from the floor — deliver testimonials of what they claimed was oppressive behaviour by officials against them as Muslims, at airports, in police raids, and in high security prisons.


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