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CoodaShooda 10th Oct 2015 19:55

Pinky

Reportedly, the NSW State Liberal Conference gave Abbott a standing ovation while offering none to Turnbull, who was also heckled and booed.

Not everyone, it seems, agrees with Hempy's world view. :p

Eddie Dean 10th Oct 2015 20:02

Rearrange the deck chairs and everyone is happy:ok:

Hempy 10th Oct 2015 21:06

I diagree Eddie. Your 'deck chairs' analogy suggests that the Titanic will still sink, just with a different Captain at the helm. In Australian politics at the moment there is a dearth of 'leadership'. Shorten couldn't lead a mob of shearers to a pub, and Abbott was no different. Turnbull has support, hopefully he can steer the ship away from the iceberg.

Eddie Dean 10th Oct 2015 21:32

Maybe not quite the correct analogy, but there has been no change of direction; so full steam ahead.

chuboy 10th Oct 2015 21:33

For what it's worth, you lot were still blaming Rudd and Gillard for making your beer warm right up to the day Abbott was axed.

A bit hypocritical to now be going on about "the lefties" and Abbott. Arguably he has managed to set the country back even in his short reign, most of us are angry or disappointed with what he achieved (or didn't achieve) and the opportunities lost - not just the loonies.

MTOW 10th Oct 2015 21:49

chuboy, what Tony Abbott achieved (if that's maybe not quite the right word) was to alienate the Left (almost to the point of apoplexy, I might add) by being too radically Right - while simultaneously alienating the Right for not being as far Right as they thought he should be.

If you base that performance on the old adage that if, as an arbitrator, both sides think you're favouring the other side, you're probably getting it just about right, maybe Tony Abbott wasn't quite as bad as many insist he was/is.

CoodaShooda 11th Oct 2015 00:18

Chuboy

In what way has Abbott set the country back?

MTOW 11th Oct 2015 00:41

Slight change of topic. Reports elsewhere are suggesting that the 47 year old who died in Lakemba overnight after suffering a serious neck injury might have been an attempted beheading.

What was that old Janga Janga song? "This is Aust... ra... li.. a".

Hempy 11th Oct 2015 02:21

'Beheaded' with a beer bottle??

By 'Reports elsewhere' I guess you mean The Make Believe Times?

Ovation 11th Oct 2015 03:04


For what it's worth, you lot were still blaming Rudd and Gillard for making your beer warm right up to the day Abbott was axed.
I still blame Rudd and Gillard, but not for making the beer warm. Australia suffered because of them and that fool Swan they had as Treasurer. We will be experiencing a very long financial hangover because of their incompetence.

Only a fool could assert a practising narcissist and a serial adultress as Prime Ministers served the populace well. In hindsight they were there to do the bidding of their faceless union masters (AWU and CFMEU) who've been revealed as bullys, thugs, extortionists and liars by the TURC.

Watch it here:

Trade Union Royal Commission Live

You'd still believe in the tooth fairy if you accepted some of the excuses these people have given in evidence, and yet they've answered with a straight face.

chuboy 11th Oct 2015 06:37


Originally Posted by CoodaShooda (Post 9143718)
Chuboy

In what way has Abbott set the country back?

Depends who you ask, but to start with: only the most rusted-on supporter would deny our economy stagnated during his tenure. He failed to stimulate a transition away from a resource-based economy. He stuck his head in the sand with respect to the tax concessions that have culminated in the precariously overheated property markets in Sydney and Melbourne.

Likewise his policies on energy and climate change were at odds with basically every other developed nation. Certainly in terms of social polices like SSM, secularism, "knights and dames", etc, he definitely took (or wanted to take) Australia back in time, not forward.

He was responsible for the devolution of the NBN which I have written about at length before.

Ok so in terms of lasting damage, Abbott has not left much of a legacy (he has not really left any legacy at all), but if nothing else the country has spent the last 2 years treading water at a time when we could really not afford to.

By contrast, today PM Turnbull announced federal funding would be made available for the Gold Coast Light Rail Stage 2 construction. We will now have light rail connections in place for the Commonwealth Games and into the future. What a refreshing change from Mr No's policy of... "no funding for you". 1000 jobs created in a stagnant economy, long lasting (public transport) infrastructure for a growing city - what's not to like?

chuboy 11th Oct 2015 06:49

Ovation, even if what you have said about RGR and the Swan debt legacy is perfectly true - Abbott objectively failed to do anything about the debt, in fact it has gotten bigger since Hockey took over. Abbott tried to fix the problem by cutting away expenditure from the margins of society, conspicuously ignoring the elephants in the room. When that didn't fly with the Senate, rather than attempt to negotiate he more or less gave up; the remainder of his term became the political equivalent of a box of stale biscuits that someone thankfully had the sense to throw away.

In the meantime he made the news domestically and overseas for all the wrong reasons, it was just gaffe after gaffe. He replaced "today's weather" as the topic for small talk in the elevator. The guy was our very own GWB. There is nothing to be gained in defending him; to be frank, referring to Rudd and Gillard at all merely serves to highlight how easy it should have been to get the show back on the road. It only goes to show how little Abbott was able to achieve.

I know it's convenient to pretend the last two years never happened and it's still all Rudd, Gillard and Swan's fault, but at a certain point it ceases to be annoying finger-pointing from the fringes of the political spectrum and simply becomes a pathetic case of denial.

david1300 11th Oct 2015 10:12


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 9143285)
No Hempy. I did not say that. I said the left got what they wanted. I am, at the moment, happy with Malcom. What I can't understand is the constant hatred from the left against Tony. He seems to me to be a nice family man. What is the left's problem with him? He has gone, but still the gate continues.

Could it be just that - he is a nice family man. It doesn't fit with their agenda of same-gender families/parents, throw-away relationships, belief in God and quite a few other characteristics of his that are odds with their agenda.

At ease 11th Oct 2015 12:42


Likewise his policies on energy and climate change were at odds with basically every other developed nation. Certainly in terms of social polices like SSM, secularism, "knights and dames", etc, he definitely took (or wanted to take) Australia back in time, not forward.

Could it be just that - he is a nice family man. It doesn't fit with their agenda of same-gender families/parents, throw-away relationships, belief in God and quite a few other characteristics of his that are odds with their agenda.
Some of us are backward looking dinosaurs that are happy with traditional values based on Christianity, although at just 54 years old I would be a minority in my age group.

But then again, I have respect for my elders and their concerns.

I think it has something to do with one of The 10 Commandments.

My 91 year old mother keeps saying that she has seen and lived through the best of Australia in an earlier time and that it won't return.

I believe she is correct and displays a life full of hard earned wisdom.

Of course, that "best of Australia" was procured by the sacrifices made by a generation of men who are largely no longer with us.

Yet governments, federal state and local, don't do all they can do to look after the few who are left or their dependants and descendants.

That includes Malcolm, Tony, Kevin, Julia, & John(although he was better than most)etc, etc.

However, there seems plenty of funding for "social engineering" and a "brave new world", yet most days I listen to the tears of a widow who has to accept the fact that no government wants to provide her with a measure of compensation for her loss - not even giving her a reduction on her council rates EVER because she is means tested because her and my father saved, whilst it has just been announced that Australia will provide relocation for 12,000 Syrians.

Yes, she gets a War Widows pension, but this is at the same rate as what a Centrelink pensioner gets - so that's no sacrifice to the nation.

My father should have got a job on the wharves loading merchant ships whilst WW2 was on, instead of volunteering to defend them as an Oerlikon gunner in the RAN.

He would have got a much higher rate of pay too.

And he would have been allowed to go on strike like the "Wharfies" did.

He missed out then, he missed out afterwards due to war caused illnesses and died very early as a result, his wife and family missed out.

Yet the Syrians are not missing out.

Ethel the Aardvark 11th Oct 2015 12:55

You have to hand it too Malcolm, only been in the job a couple of weeks and he is sorting out the city's light rail problems, launched an nbn satellite, signed off on a new army vehicle contract, sorted out the submarine debacle and hasn't once umed or arghed or repeated the same sentence due lack of content.
What was the name of the last bloke again ?

Flying Binghi 11th Oct 2015 23:45

However...
 
"...Voters overwhelmingly believe the Liberal Party did the right thing by replacing Tony Abbott with Malcolm Turnbull, according to the latest Newspoll

Labor and Green voters were dramatically in favour of the leadership change with 71 per cent support among ALP supporters and 82 per cent of Greens backing the switch.

However:
The surge of support for Mr Turnbull has not flowed through to a lift for the Coalition, which slipped one point in both primary and two-party-preferred terms..."

Oh, Dear..:hmm:

TURNBULL STALLS | Daily Telegraph Tim Blair Blog




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Ethel the Aardvark 12th Oct 2015 00:29

Turnbull more popular than the party, maybe he needs to toss out pyne, brough and brandis, bit by bit me thinks.
I thought he handled himself very well with all the lib guffaws the other day, showed himself to be the better prime minister that credlins puppet could never be. Now when you here the prime minister talk you are reassured that he has a good articulate plan instead of a cluster f#ck foot in mouth captains call.

SOPS 12th Oct 2015 00:38

At ease. I have a disabled son. He wants his own home. We had to buy him one. I bet the Syrians will get a house for free.

chuboy 12th Oct 2015 01:04

I bet they won't.

parabellum 12th Oct 2015 05:14


serves to highlight how easy it should have been to get the show back on the road. It only goes to show how little Abbott was able to achieve.
Every attempt was thwarted in the Senate, it just isn't that easy to turn a multi billion $ deficit back into a surplus and I'm sorry to hear that scrapping the carbon tax, the minerals tax and stopping the boats etc. don't count for anything, I think they are quite significant.


only been in the job a couple of weeks and he is sorting out the city's light rail problems, launched an nbn satellite, signed off on a new army vehicle contract, sorted out the submarine debacle
Think about it Ethel, just about all those projects were given birth under Abbott's government, just how long do you think it takes to build a satellite?


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