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Dark Knight 6th Oct 2015 02:40

If you are correcting me be sure you are correct.

What I said was `It is the duty of every Muslim to convert non-believers' which most would understand to mean `all who follow the Islamic teachings' or perhaps I should correct it to say thus.

The statement reference the duty of all who follow the Islamic faith is as in the Koran.

I too have known some of the Islamic persuaion who have indulged in alcohol, bacon sandwhiches and the pleasures of boys as have many Christians however, the Christians have generally moved on from the 7th century and do not indulge in Terrorism.

Not that Christians or Christianity has an unblemished record

However, you indulge in the usual diversionary tactics failing to debate, resolve or offer any meaningful solutions to resolve the problems or ensure we are free from terrorism.

criticalmass 6th Oct 2015 02:41

There are small "m" muslims, and there is Islam, the religio-political movement They are poles apart.

For well over thirty years I had a muslim landlord...and a fairer-minded, harder-working man you would not find. His wife was also muslim, as were his children. And they all integrated perfectly into the Australian way-of-life. Why - because they were Turkish muslims, and Turkey is a secular country.

I respected his religion, and he respected mine. We never even spoke of religious beliefs. His family dressed in typical Australian clothes, spoke English perfectly (and were still pretty fluent in Turkish) his grand-children would be indistinguishable from any other second generation migrant kids. As with so many Turkish immigrants, they had all set up successful businesses, and they had become as Australian as any one of us who were born here. They had a great sense of family, but they were also very proudly Australian and grateful for the opportunities the country had given them.

Occasionally, aged, wizened men wearing loose-flowing white robes and walking with with bare feet would come to visit my landlord - and he would be nowhere to be found. These were the emissaries of the Islam he didn't wish to associate with, and he knew well what they wanted. One day - long after they had left after yet another fruitless visit - I asked him why he didn't want to see them.

"I am not a fanatic," was his very quiet reply. I understood immediately, and if ever I met them in my to-ings and fro-ings from the residence, I would say "I'm not sure where he is, but he's been gone for some time now", and they would leave. I respected his desire not to see these people. They only stopped visiting after I had returned from a competition at the rifle-range and was taking my M14 (this was pre-1996) out of my car to take it inside and clean it. They saw the rifle and decided not to visit after all. I never saw them again.

Our latter Islamic immigrants from Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Syria (etc) have been a more mixed bunch, and since most of these nations are far from secular, their attitudes and expectations are far different and more narrow than those of our Turkish immigants. We didn't choose many of them - the Syrian army did when they decided to let a bunch of criminals out of their gaols and evict them from the country. The Lebanese did much the same. More fool Australia. How they must be laughing at us still as we struggle with Middle East Organised Crime and terorrism. The gifts that keep on giving, for all the wrong reasons.

A great many single, fit men of military age flooded in - and we simply had no way of sorting the good from the bad. A Labor government took the line of least resistance and allowed them in by the thousands, hoping to garner electoral support via the welfare-state. The working-man's party became the "Islamic-man's welfare-state party" - a political betrayal- of-principle of breath-taking magnitude for which history - and many true-believers - will never forgive it. It is not the Labor party now - it is the Islamo-Labor Party, the rising political wing of Islam.

A subsequent Liberal government staunched the flow and took a pillorying from the Left because the Left wanted to recruit the immigrants to its own political philosophy. In fact, the Left was deluding itself (as usual). Islam and left-wing politics are not happy neighbours, and in most Islamic countries the Communist party is banned or in serious decline. Remember the demise of the Indonesian communist party (PKI) back in the 60s when Suharto replaced Sukarno. A lot of them are buried on beaches in Bali if you care to dig deep enough. The communist party of Iran is banned and only exists outside Iran. How many active, progressive Communist parties presiding over peaceful nations are there in the Middle East today? You could count them on the fingers of plague-bacillus.

These fit, well-muscled young men of unknown political loyalty are now throughly embedded within Australian society. A Fifth Column in our midst, thanks to the greed and cynicism of political parties intent on putting their own interests ahead of the welfare of the nation. Some of them may decide that the Australian way-of-life has value, but for the ideologically-committed, they just wait, sleepers in our society, until the time for an uprising is right. Their culture of Islamo-fascist brutality is equally as valid as our culture of peace and harmony? Their hatred must be accepted, embraced and even given priority over our need to protect ourselves from them? It's not tecnhically "treason", but that offence is in need of a radical overhaul.

Our under-resourced intelligence authorities do the best they can, but refusing to give them the resources they require is yet another aspect of political interference over-riding the security of the nation as a whole. Each side sits transfixed, like a mouse crouching motionless with fear before a snake, worshipping the false-god of multiculturalism, waiting for the strike. We are expected to blindly accept every attack, every insult, every act of civil disobedience (riot, demonstration, threat, taunt, rape, racial slur etc) and just get on with it because this "enriches our lives and builds a stronger, more diverse, nation"?

Is there anyone with a functioning brain who actually believes any of this rubbish? I said functioning brain, so that excludes the extreme Left, almost all of the Greens and a host of other activists, well-intentioned ideologues, left-wing lawyers and social-engineers and like-minded oxygen-thieves whose brains and other organs would be perfect for organ-donation or medical experiments because they have had so little use.

The repeated, willing, obtuse stupidity and refusal to face reality on both sides of politics will inevitably bring about extreme parties on both sides to break the deadlock. "One Nation" was just a symptom of a greater ill.

As any medical man will tell you, "in order to lance the boil, it must first be allowed to fester."

SOPS 6th Oct 2015 03:36

Another great post, Critical.

AnD MTOW, I think you are spot on the money. If they highlighted the family, I think you would find (my opinion only), they have done nothing to assimilate into Australia, but lived in a parallel society. And there in lies the problem.

Another boy, 17, has been arrested at the same school the shooter attended, for threatening police. It just keeps getting better.

TWT 6th Oct 2015 03:54

However, you indulge in the usual diversionary tactics failing to debate, resolve or offer any meaningful solutions to resolve the problems or ensure we are free from terrorism.
You have your opinion,to which you are entitled.As do I.No diversionary tactics used,your reading comprehension appears to be suffering though.I told you of my experiences which are true,that's all.

That's it from me on this :)

Jeps 6th Oct 2015 04:04

Call me ignorant but I would think the whole point of moving to another country was because it isn't like the one your leaving. Also, im fairly sure the things we are into in Australia are fairly well telegraphed. i.e. we like to drink alcohol and are perfectly fine with women wearing whatever they want in public. We are also a very secular society becoming less religious as time goes on. So if you are appalled by those things why on earth would you want to move to a place that celebrates those freedoms?

Worrals in the wilds 6th Oct 2015 04:31

Agree, Jeps. I've never been able to figure that out either. I think there's been a too much pandering to people's differences in the name of being PC, and it's led some people to get a big sense of entitlement.

FWIW today's Murdoch press (once you wade through all the footy :rolleyes:) is reporting that the family are 'said to be naturalised Australians' (though I'm not sure how they define that) and that the father and brother work. I see they've also given up pretending that it was a lone wolf thing.

Interesting story, criticalmass, that shows that fundo recruiting is not a new thing in Australia. Not everyone would have been as uninterested as your landlord was.

Stanwell 6th Oct 2015 08:29

Are there any figures available to show what percentage of our humanitarian migrants/refugees/family reunionists etc etc are currently welfare dependent?

I don't mean the ones that are 'fresh off the boat', so to speak, but ones that have been here for, say, greater than twelve months.

CoodaShooda 6th Oct 2015 08:55


Others have previously posted links to government studies reporting long term unemployment levels of up to 90% in some groups.

Hempy won't accept heresay, so I won't bother detailing the many stories of welfare abuse by members of those same groups, relayed to me by a brother who is a Centrelink Fraud Investigator.

Charlie Foxtrot India 6th Oct 2015 10:46

That's enough of the personal stuff, any more and there will be bans.

Flying Binghi 7th Oct 2015 00:02

via criticalmass #18961:
...As with so many ... immigrants, they had all set up successful businesses, and they had become as Australian as any one of us who were born here. They had a great sense of family, but they were also very proudly Australian and grateful for the opportunities the country had given them...
...and then a religion that thinks they own them comes knocking at the door.

Not long ago an Australia that were prepared to stand up for its values offered our new arrivals a safe haven from the islamic idiots. Not any more..:hmm:


Flying Binghi 7th Oct 2015 00:07

Oh, Dear. THe Federal environment minister greg hunt is apparently a fire burn off expert..:hmm:
The muppet should stick to helping his banker mates setting up the carbon trading scam.

And in other news...

Seems banker boy turnbull understands that islam is politics:

"This appears to have been an act of politically motivated violence, so, at this stage, it appears to have been an act of terrorism,"



SOPS 7th Oct 2015 02:10

5 arrested now. Some of them had been arrested previously. Police will allege that one of them supplied the gun. Seems like they all hung out at the Parramatta mosque. But it was a political attack.:ugh::ugh::ugh:

It's high time politicians admitted what the rest of us know. It's an a islamic problem.

MTOW 7th Oct 2015 02:23

It would be a pretty safe bet to say that the 15 year old was given one last rev up to keep up his 'brave', (a bit like that last cup of saki and the cheering ground crew alongside the runway for a departing Kamikaze pilot) and then someone handed him the gun. I would imagine gloves and a thorough wipedown would have been involved, but that pesky DNA tends to stick around, so some handler might be in for a very unpleasant surprise some time after he's asked to open his mouth for swab.

I suspect there'll be widespread amnesia among the other worshippers who were at the Parramatta mosque while the killer was there, but one might break and say what room he disappeared into and with whom. Wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that though.

Captain Dart 7th Oct 2015 02:35

Eggs thrown at 9NEWS reporter as tensions flare outside Sydney home raided by police - 9news.com.au

TWT 7th Oct 2015 04:05

People chucking eggs is pretty common.Always done by cowards.This lot lobbed the eggs over a house at the reporter,so they couldn't be seen.I've been egged from a moving car while sitting at a packed outdoor bar.It hit my colleague in the eye and then ricocheted all over me.He couldn't see for quite a while,could have blinded him.Had a black eye for a few days after.Just the usual oxygen thieves.

SOPS 7th Oct 2015 05:47

Reports coming in that the shooter was given the gun inside the mosque. The religion of peace is at it again.

MTOW 7th Oct 2015 06:06

...and is anyone not blinded by PC bu***it even remotely surprised?

Fubaar 7th Oct 2015 08:00

This article on the Pickering site

News - Jihadi Martyrdom Starts At Home - The Pickering Post

if accurate, which I fear it is, makes every move our politicians make after each outrage to appease and recruit the Islamic community to help fight the 'very small number' of extremists look rather silly.

Martyrdom in Allah’s name is the highest honour for Muslims and in particular for a Muslim mother. The love for Allah must be supreme over the love for her son.

Mothers must be prepared to sacrifice at least one son for Allah’s sake, to advance the religion of Islam and to gain entry to Paradise for the family.

The following is from a video interview with a Palestinian Muslim mother standing next to her jihadi son about to commit suicide on behalf of Islam. She calls this, "The best day of my life.”

She says:

“How do I feel as I promise my son Paradise, and as I offer something (my son) for Allah?

"By Allah, today is the best day of my life. I feel that our Lord is pleased with me, because I am offering something (my son) for him. I wish to offer more (sons) for Allah’s forgiveness, and for the (flag of Islam), “There is no god but Allah”, to fly over Palestine.

"I’m not parting from him to his death, but rather I part from him as he goes to a better life, the Afterlife, which our Lord has promised us.

"By Allah, if I had 100 children like (my son) Muhammad, I would offer them with sincerity and willingly.

"It’s true that there’s nothing more precious than children, but for the sake of Allah what is precious becomes cheap.”

Another interview with a Muslim mother after martydom:

“I gave my son to Jihad for Allah. It’s our religious obligation.

"If I wanted to have compassion for him, or to make him change his mind, it would be wrong, a mistake.

"I don’t want to be guided by my feelings, a mother’s feelings. I put them aside for something greater, although a mother’s feelings are involved. Why? Because I love my son, and I want to choose the best for him, and the best is not life in this world.

"For us, there is an afterlife, the eternal bliss. So if I love my son, I’ll choose eternal bliss for him.

"As much as my living children honour me, it will not be like the honour that the martyr showed me. He will be our intercessor (a person who intervenes on behalf of another, especially by religious faith) on the day of Resurrection.

"What more can I ask for?

"Allah willing, the Lord will promise the Paradise, that’s the best I can hope for. The greatest honour (my son) showed me was his Martyrdom”

You can view the video here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vi9oNs42hs

Hempy 7th Oct 2015 08:43

Ah yes, Umm Nidal. More of a propaganda tool (for both sides) than a 'mother'. She's been dead for 2 years. Do a Google search...equating her to a typical Muslim mother is like calling Eric Rudolph a typical Christian :rolleyes:

Worrals in the wilds 7th Oct 2015 09:45

In the midst of some pretty serious crap, I did like this local resident's assumption. His faith in the government's willingness to enforce noise control laws is optimistic and (IME) completely misplaced. Actually, I'm not opposed to the concept...:}

Concerned neighbours, meanwhile, are piling on to the street.
Officers from the joint counter terrorism task force continue to swarm the area as detectives scour the unit block where two men were arrested.
“It is very worrying,” said one neighbour.
Another resident thought the chaos this morning was a result of him calling the police with a noise complaint about dogs barking at the address.
Sydney terror raids: Five men arrested after Parramatta shooting
And on a more serious note, the victim wasn't 'executed', he was murdered. By a criminal. Dunno why news.com has decided to buy into all this righteous war crap. :*

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