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SOPS 5th Sep 2015 08:23

I heard the labor Canning guy interviewed last week. He said nothing. He was allready coached as a party machine. He just kept saying, schools, hospitals and Bill Shorten. Whe the interview was over, the host said, " well that told us nothing'.

On Europe, I'm predicting unrest in months, not years. And like Clare, I'm also very glad I don't live there anymore.

Ethel the Aardvark 6th Sep 2015 01:05

Captain hastie was tazered three times in the forces and that's about all we know about him, his father is a creationist pastor so would be interested to know his religious beliefs.
One journalist was asking what his ex pals at the barracks think of him after he dobbed them in over the hand mutilation incident. Little harsh me thinks
I think we will see his true colours in the next couple of weeks

parabellum 6th Sep 2015 01:37

Taking in hundreds of thousand of refugees is not the long term solution, IS has to be stopped at source.
From the TV news I see thousands of young men of military age arriving in Germany.


What I would now like to see is the families placed and supported in suitable accommodation that will enable a community spirit to pertain and as a condition of their shelter and support the young, medically fit men will be conscripted into a special unit of the German army, (other European countries to do the same), where they will be well equipped and highly trained soldiers who will become the spearhead of a ground force, possibly numbering 100,000+, who will go back to Syria and Iraq and reclaim their own country for themselves, much cheaper than permanently settling an ever expanding group of people whose cultures and customs don't always dovetail with Western culture. Fat chance. :(

Flying Binghi 6th Sep 2015 01:40


What I would now like to see is the families placed and supported in suitable accommodation that will enable a community spirit to pertain and as a condition of their shelter and support the young, medically fit men will be conscripted into a special unit of the German army, (other European countries to do the same), where they will be well equipped and highly trained soldiers who will become the spearhead of a ground force, possibly numbering 100,000+, who will go back to Syria and Iraq and reclaim their own country for themselves, much cheaper than permanently settling an ever expanding group of people whose cultures and customs don't always dovetail with Western culture. Fat chance.
Hmmm... didn't the Romans try that.........










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parabellum 6th Sep 2015 01:45

Don't know Flying Binghi, was Italy ever 'invaded' by upwards of 500,000 refugees?

CoodaShooda 6th Sep 2015 02:04

Goths, Vandals and Huns. Didn't go well for the Romans.

Of course the Ottomans had the Janisseries as their shock troops against Christendom, so there is precedence for your idea. :E

MTOW 6th Sep 2015 05:10

Flying Binghi, what we're seeing today in Europe is not dissimilar to what eventually brought the Holy Roman Empire down. Many of the people from the far flung corners of the Empire wanted to enjoy the good life that could only be fully enjoyed in Rome.

Many of the mercenaries employed to protect the far reaches of the Empire (because Roman citizens couldn't be bothered to do such nasty work themselves) brought their families with them when posted to Rome or at the end of their service, until it got to the point where there were too many people living on handouts who had never put anything in in the first place - (grain rations were one of the perks of citizenship) - that it became unsustainable and it all fell into a thousand year hole commonly known as the Dark Ages.

Sound familiar to anything we're seeing today?

RJM 6th Sep 2015 05:33

How ironic if the technologically and socially advanced, sophisticated West fell to a reactionary, primitive Islamic influx. It would be even more ironic if, because we are socially sophisticated and advanced, we effectively invited them in.

I'd advise anyone interested to watch the film 'Children of Men' - a dystopic vision of a near future in which social cohesion in Europe has broken down under the pressure of immigration and Britain has closed its borders. A brutal British government imposes order by force.

MG23 6th Sep 2015 05:46


Originally Posted by RJM (Post 9107125)
How ironic if the technologically and socially advanced, sophisticated West fell to a reactionary, primitive Islamic influx. It would be even more ironic if, because we are socially sophisticated and advanced, we effectively invited them in.

There's nothing 'sophisticated' about cultural suicide.

Cultures that refuse to defend themselves are soon wiped out by those that don't. They're an evolutionary dead-end.

The plan was that the Soviet Union would be the 'barbarians' who rolled in and took over Europe after their subversion agents in the West brought it down, but the sods went and collapsed before Europe did. So now they'll have to make do with Islam, instead.

RJM 6th Sep 2015 06:38

THere are certainly some disturbing trrends, MG. Following are the two lead headlines from today's Australian version of the Guardian:

"Abbott under pressure to boost refugee intake amid desperate scenes in Europe
Two Liberal premiers and several cabinet ministers call for action, with Mike Baird saying ‘NSW remains ready and willing to do more than our fair share’ "

"Cheering German crowds greet refugees after long trek from Budapest to Munich"

If I suggest in conversation that there must be a ratio at which the influx of a foreign culture becomes a threat to our own, I'm called a racist, which more or less shuts down debate. The far less demonstrable threat of climate change, on the other hand, is however, a highly acceptable topic to bring up in the same company.

It's a pity, because history shows that large migrations have very serious effects on cultures.

Parabellum's idea is a good one. If it's not popular with young male immigrants, then it would say a lot about whether they have fled from persecution etc or whether they have been attracted by the material benefits of living in the West.

The problem must be dealt with at its source. Taking 20,000 or even 100,000 more immigrants might satisfy some people's need to feel that they are compassionate, but it won't solve the problem and will simply encourage more people to migrate.

parabellum 6th Sep 2015 11:56

Four 'ghost' pages, that must be a record for deleted posts! :)

david1300 7th Sep 2015 11:18


Originally Posted by parabellum (Post 9107479)
Four 'ghost' pages, that must be a record for deleted posts! :)

... That must be a record for modern censorship. We are only being allowed today and read what "they" (whoever they are) allow :=

Senior Pilot 7th Sep 2015 11:52


Originally Posted by david1300 (Post 9108459)
... That must be a record for modern censorship. We are only being allowed today and read what "they" (whoever they are) allow :=

Why? When a user deletes his/her post it contributes to the "ghost" pages, and only ~70 deleted posts out of >18,600 is a very small number. With only about half of those being moderated posts it shows a very light moderating touch on this thread.

But don't let that spoil your conspiracy theory :p

Flying Binghi 8th Sep 2015 00:00

Heh... wouldn't be all them dud labor postings disappearing would it.. :)

Ethel the Aardvark 8th Sep 2015 01:05

Nahh, must be Liberal following there tradition of backflips I guess.:rolleyes:
I suppose it may of been congratulations to Hockey for passing a budget that had to be retracted or the general consensus by the righties on the success of Captain Australia that has diminished;)
will we ever know:ooh:

SOPS 8th Sep 2015 01:33

Shorten is on drugs, I'm sure of it. He just said on AM that the pervious labor government policies stopped the flow of illegal boats.:ugh::ugh:

So this is the new plan, convince the voters that labor stopped the boats.

Trouble is, your average idiot will probably believe it.

RJM 8th Sep 2015 03:11

Shorten continually looks out of his depth.

CoodaShooda 8th Sep 2015 03:45


congratulations to Hockey for passing a budget that had to be retracted
:confused:

Which parliamentary system are you looking at Ethel?

Ethel the Aardvark 8th Sep 2015 04:23

so you don't get a sore head SOPs, I think Shorten is indicating that 2 months before your fantastic Tony came into power Rudd announced that any asylum seeker would not be resided in Australia, the amount of boats dramatically dropped and Morrisons evil reign was just an add-on continuation of that policy.
meanwhile back at the ranch I understand that aussie shipping should be reregistered in another country and employ cheaper foreign staff. sounds like Liberal policy 101 to me

Hempy 8th Sep 2015 04:31



The 'ah/umm' count averages out at 29/min. He's no Menzies as an orator :rolleyes:



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