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Worrals in the wilds 2nd Aug 2015 11:48

The mighty UN that ordered its affiliate forces (including Australians) to stand by in Somalia and watch locals get massacred by thugs? :sad:

I'm not personally familiar with Ms Joseph, but I saw her friends in action :bored:. IMO; keep on dreaming. They looked like dorks and achieved nothing more than a five minute hiatus while the Melbourne Convention Centre scrambled around trying to find some security. :ugh:

What I saw confirmed why the Greens and their more radical aflliates will never 'ascend' to mainstream politics, no matter how hard their media friends tout. They're a juvenile rabble trapped in the Neverland of student politics and wishful thinking. Storming the stage of the Labor Conference with a banner...Big achievement. :zzz: Debate? Nah; that's too hard. Even a left-friendly crowd booed them out the door. They didn't even unfold their banner properly... amateur. Personally, I'd at least have packed a megaphone and got the banner ready to go prior to mounting the stage.

They might be kings of the mountain in inner Melbourne, Sydney and those parts of the media who rarely venture from such friendly shores, but to the rest of the country they're nothing. If Labor sacrifices two federal seats to these idiots then so be it; They'll pick up the balance in the regions just by calling them out. :bored: Keep dreaming, Sheree, keep dreaming. Sheree dreams while everyone else gets on with life and occasionally thinks about politics, footy and what they're supposed to be eating.

In the meantime, to quote Ronin; you're part of the problem, part of the solution or just part of the landscape. Currently, the Greens are squarely part of the landscape. Noisy, but irrelevant. It's always about the numbers, and apart from those two seats they don't have 'em. They may have some impact on preferences, but IMO it's far less than they'd like to assume. Whine away, luvvies! The system (i.e. the majority) doesn't understand. :rolleyes::zzz: Actually they do understand; they understand that the Greens are irrelevant. I think Labor learned the hard way about doing deals with the Greens; that's how they ended up on the opposition benches. Go fight the 'nightmare', Greens; win an election in your own right; stop bitching and start governing.
Either way (winning or governing), it ain't gonna happen. :bored:

Hempy 2nd Aug 2015 12:14

There's a reason the MSM/social media/any other board than pprune - white supremacists/ everyone et.al have turned on you RJM...

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DONT SHARE YOUR OPINION. Fairfax etc make money how exactly?

As much as it hurts (and Penny Wong will supply lube) just grit your teeth and bare it.

SOPS 2nd Aug 2015 12:28

You obviously live in a differnt world than I do, Hempy.

bosnich71 2nd Aug 2015 19:23

Worrals...building sites in Canberra probably don't have notices on them saying :*"no ticket,no start" etc. but from what is coming out of the TURC the CFMEU has other ways of ensuring a full membership book.How many of their enforcers have been arrested so far? Something all on the left are still pretending is just an Abbott witch hunt.

CoodaShooda 2nd Aug 2015 22:01

Hempy
Is Fairfax making money? I thought their circulations and revenues were in decline.

And the ABC does not have to rely on selling a product to survive. Which is probably just as well for its staff, when you consider its ratings.

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Aug 2015 08:54

Cooda, that's a bit harsh isn't it? Their news broadcast does well on Saturday nights. :8 The Killing Fields was a ratings hit, though it didn't do much for Labor. :ouch:
Ratings | TV Tonight
In any case, Today Tonight, A Current Affair and reality drivel regularly ace the ratings, which gives weight to the long-held entertainment industry theory that screening absolute tripe is the way to success. :sad:

Fair call re Fairfax, but all print media circulation is in decline. This article has more spin than a twin tub (particularly wrt 'readership' v 'circulation' which has always been very rubbery :suspect:), but none of them are actually flourishing. The main reason The Courier Mail lost less than most is because unlike Melbourne and Sydney Brisbane only has one daily newspaper. Of course they don't mention that. A bloke who works for The Australian told me that the main reason they keep it going is because Murdoch likes the prestige of publishing a national daily newspaper. :8
http://cdn1.mumbrella.com.au/uploads...ay-468x163.png
From August 2014.
ABCs: Sunday Tele falls below 500,000 copies, as print sales decline and digital levels off - mUmBRELLA

How many of their enforcers have been arrested so far?
Three, from memory? Still awaiting trial. By that token, how many construction companies get busted and convicted for doing dodgy stuff? It's that sort of industry.

bosnich71 3rd Aug 2015 12:25

How many construction companies get busted? You tell me. Then again we expect 'nasty' companies to be like that but I was brought up to believe that unions were necessary to protect workers.Please don't tell me that the thugs running the CFMEU have the well being of their members at the forefront of their efforts.

Ken Borough 3rd Aug 2015 12:36


She's finished.

With luck, there will come out of this clarification of what expenses are legitimate and better accountability for them.
What a prescient post! Is RJM Abbott's refueller?

CoodaShooda 4th Aug 2015 00:09

Worrals

Hempy used Fairfax as a basis for his contention that "the majority of people don't support " RJM's position.

I was merely suggesting there are alternative points of view as to what constitutes "the majority of people".

But while also considering the ABC, I find it hypocritical that its major talking heads espouse socialist-inspired ideals while living the capitalistic lifestyle that a multi-six figure salary allows - until you factor in that their salary comes from the taxpayer. From those according to their abilities to those according to their needs is the ultimate communist utopia, isn't it?

Hempy 4th Aug 2015 05:17

Actually, I was suggesting that the main stream media in general are simply profit driven and populist. Business 101.

They write what the majority of people want to read. If you don't like it, don't read it, it just means that you aren't a part of the majority.

Worrals in the wilds 4th Aug 2015 09:48


I was merely suggesting there are alternative points of view as to what constitutes "the majority of people".
I agree. My point was that as newspaper readership is well down across the board, I don't think they're nearly as representative of popular opinion as they were in the 1980s. :8 In a funny way, we were probably agreeing with each other, which isn't going to happen wrt the ABC :p.


I find it hypocritical that its major talking heads espouse socialist-inspired ideals while living the capitalistic lifestyle that a multi-six figure salary allows
So rich people can't be progressive? :} Many election results suggest that's not the case; Howard's government also showed that the opposite can be true. In any case, the ABC 'stars' earn comparatively less than their commercial counterparts.
No Cookies | Perth Now

I don't watch Q&A (which seems to be the main bone of contention with conservatives) because I think it's partisan entertainment crap masquerading as 'news' (the same reason I don't watch The Bolt Report) but as the vast bulk of ABC programming is apolitical I think it's unfair to judge an entire TV and radio network by the content of two or three shows. Certainly Landline and Australian Story (or the Killing Fields for that matter) wouldn't get a berth at the commercial networks; it's cheaper and easier to round up a bunch of fat people or bad singers for viewers to laugh at. Unfortunately, on the figures above that's a sound commercial decision on their part; panem et circense wins the ratings.

If you privatise the ABC expect more pan and plenty of circuses, because that's what sells. A privatised ABC wouldn't magically transform into a bastion of intelligent, conservative political commentary. If that made money, the commercial networks would already be doing it.

Takan Inchovit 4th Aug 2015 10:55

Looks like the holier than thou labour stooges are starting to come under fire for their part in wasting public monies for personal use.

Lets have that independent investigation on all sides!

parabellum 4th Aug 2015 11:40

The ALP have moved on Takan Inchovit, it is now all about 'Work Choices 2', something they will yap away about until the election, they accuse the LNP of scare mongering, the ALP should know, they are the experts.

Hempy 4th Aug 2015 12:05


Originally Posted by parabellum
they accuse the LNP of scare mongering, the ALP should know, they are the experts.

lol Howard won two elections on 'scare mongering', Menzies did too. The problem is that when people see through the rhetoric it's all doomed. Abbott has his 'boats and terrorists' campaign, the ALP has their 'for the workers' campaign.

Which hits closer to home do you reckon?

I16 4th Aug 2015 12:11

Tony Burke should have a 'Man and a Van' around in the morning.
Tony Burke: Former environment minister under fire over $12k family trip to Uluru - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
That is a lot of money he has spent for SFA - should be gone like BB.

Saltie 4th Aug 2015 12:35

Berk (sic) would be no loss. However, his departure, if the Libs continue to demand it, may be a case of "careful what you wish for". For given the demographic in his electorate, I think it would be a pretty safe bet that the ALP would put up someone who won't be using a Bible to lay his hand on when he's sworn in by the GG. Ed Cuzic will quite likely loan him the book he used to take the oath of office. And he'll be followed by another. And he'll be followed by another. And he'll be... You know what I mean.

Worrals in the wilds 5th Aug 2015 00:34


The ALP have moved on Takan Inchovit, it is now all about 'Work Choices 2', something they will yap away about until the election
But why did the Libs give them the free bait? I honestly can't see what the political motivation is, unless they're secretly supporting Labor :}. Just as we've all run out of helicopter jokes along comes the Productivity Commission with its usual 'Sunday is like any other day' crap :rolleyes:.

The sort of people who support that argument almost certainly vote Liberal anyway, so unlike (for example) Labor's recent softening on boat turnbacks, I can't see that this issue has a big appeal to swinging voters. I just can't figure out why the government would go anywhere near this issue after 2007's result, particularly when Howard's government were a whole lot more popular in 2007 than Abbott's government are in 2015 and it still didn't save them. :confused:

Saltie 5th Aug 2015 07:34

http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/china-refusing-to-contribute-funds-to-mh370-search/story-fnizu68q-1227465529341
We are (dare I say it, "as usual",) being played for suckers over this. If the other parties won't cough up any money, why in the world are we continuing to shell out all these millions of dollars we don't have?

Hempy 5th Aug 2015 08:56


We are (dare I say it, "as usual",) being played for suckers over this. If the other parties won't cough up any money, why in the world are we continuing to shell out all these millions of dollars we don't have?

Because our area of responsibility is 11% of the worlds surface, the best intel says it came down in that 11%, and there are 239 people whose loved ones would like an answer?

Life isn't simply about 'dollars', although our right winged brethren is convinced it is. Your lack of human compassion is appalling tbh. If you had a relative on that flight I'm tipping you'd be singing a different tune, but, as always it's the standard 'fk them, it doesn't invovle me'.

CHAIRMAN 5th Aug 2015 09:21

Worrals, maybe because a bit of softening of the workplace regulations is what's needed.
Just returned from Oshkosh - the labour rates (approx) there are $2.75 hr. for those in hospitality that receive tips - and $7.80 hr. for unskilled workers (min wage).
We pay people in OZ more than that to stay home.
At least USA still manufactures stuff. At our rates of pay we have no hope.
And yes there were penalty rates applying in Wisconsin for overtime/weekend work.


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