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CoodaShooda 10th Dec 2012 10:03

If you haven't enrolled to vote, how do they know where you live in order to register you?

HECS details?

Tax Records?

And being on a register doesn't necessarily mean you'll turn out to vote.

If it's true, it looks like being another "successful" labor policy. :yuk:

Worrals in the wilds 10th Dec 2012 11:50

I have a strong suspicion that this kind of crap is already happening, and on a scale big enough to swing marginal seats.
If the run's on, the run's on. The marginals won't save them.

sisemen 10th Dec 2012 13:56

In the meantime it would appear that Australia has pledged cash assistance to those third world countries that become disadvantaged by climate change.

For a moment let's just ignore the wank words and the fact that any cash will go to buying and maintaining the latest bizjet for the nepotism that is Africa.

Given the fact that, apart from Saint Kevin of Backpain, which member of government was there to make such a pledge?

What is the name that we are going to be able to poke a finger at and sheet home responsibility?

And, it seems, we could be up for three billion, yes billion, dollars as our contribution.

:yuk: I can't bring myself to post enough of these smilies to make my point.

CoodaShooda 10th Dec 2012 23:04

I'm pretty sure Kevin wasn't at Doha. He's been in Bahrain dealing with the Middle East and Syria. :rolleyes:

Not even Combet wanted to go to Doha this time.

I thought we also had a multi billion dollar liability to the UN if we don't meet our Kyoto targets.

Who to believe? The academics who have analysed the agreement and claim we have a large potential liability or the Minister who claims we don't?

Seems to be another choice like the one offered by Ms Gillard. Do we believe her or Blewitt?

Going by the ABC's reporting this morning on Newspoll going out to 54-46
2pp for the libs and that this was due to the liberals "smear campaign", seems we are chosing to believe Blewitt. :E

Good to see some eminent people now beginning to worry about the underlying assault on our freedoms.

Worrals in the wilds 10th Dec 2012 23:19

And, it seems, we could be up for three billion, yes billion, dollars as our contribution.
Couldn't we just offer about a third of that to our Pacific neighbours for projects as required, and cut out the nepotistic BS organization that is the UN?

Think of all the stuff we could build for/with the locals on Nauru, the Solomon's and Kiribati (etc) for a billion dollars if the UN didn't skim their take off the top.

Fubaar 11th Dec 2012 01:17

They really do seem to be setting whoever replaces them with so many debts and commitments that it will be almost impossible for the new government to pay the bills, don't they?

Tony Abbott, and whoever follows him, will have to renege on so many of this government's unfunded promises, both here and overseas, that the Labor Opposition will be able to sound like the current Leader of the Opposition in NSW, on the radio every day of the week decrying yet another broken promise by the Liberal government.

If he ever hopes to balance the books, Tony Abbott will have to make Campbell Newman look as wet as Ted Ballieu.

Dark Knight 11th Dec 2012 02:21

Fortune won't cut it for the lucky country

by RobertGottliebsen

- Our governments had no idea what was happening and this was shown in their confused taxing policies. Canberra tried a mining tax that would destroy the mining industry but then, in panic, went for one that would no raise little or no money unless we were lucky and there was another boom. We punted our luck and the government happily spent the money they thought the mining tax might raise, compounding a deficit problem.

- On its own the carbon tax and mining add-ons would have been absorbed but they compounded the problems. The final straw was the decision of the Queensland coalition to lift coal royalties, despite the perilous state of the Queensland coal industry. Politicians on both sides do not understand mining and rely on luck.

- Bad industrial relations laws. The Gillard government gave the unions enormous powers at a time when we faced a huge surge in labour demand because there were so many mining projects. At the same time many chief executives delegated industrial relations to local chambers of commerce or industrial relations clubs. The cocktail was lethal as unions exploited the position.

- We have a government that believes we should have a surplus but is not capable of making the decisions that generate a surplus. However, there is no certainty they will lose the next election because at a time when luck has run out, generating a surplus requires unpopular decisions, which the coalition will have to announce in the election campaign.

Another Labor Government which has squandered (stolen?) the wealth of Australia and Australians: When will we wake up??

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/economy-China-recession-oil-gas-Australian-dollar-pd20121211-2URAZ?opendocument&src=idp&emcontent_asx_financial-markets&utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=147028 &utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=commentary

Saltie 11th Dec 2012 03:25

Gillard and Co. seem to be following the Obama handbook to the letter, so there's a very real chance that if they promise enough "free stuff", particularly to the young, with a bit of judicious poll-stacking, (see the proposed automatic enrolment of new voters as an example), they might be able to follow Obama's lead to the final chapter and pull off an unlikely - in the extreme - victory.

If the polls deliver a Labor victory whenever Australia goes to the polls in 2013, I think we'll see another 'first' in Australia - tens of thousands of angry grey-haired protestors on the streets saying "no way - this was rigged".

This grey hair will definitely be among them.

I don't think this mob will resile from anything, no matter how underhanded and illegal, to stay in power.

RJM 11th Dec 2012 03:41

underhanded and illegal
I think the word you're looking for is 'Gillardesque'.

Croozin 11th Dec 2012 06:21

Free stuff will be the only way they can hope to swing the election.

Eileen announced today that today's poll will be long forgotten by the time the election comes around. My earnest hope is that it will be she who will be long forgotten soon after the next election.

sisemen 11th Dec 2012 06:24

She's probably correct and that today's poll will be forgotten. However, the next one, and the next one, and the next one etc which will show a continuing residence in the doldrums will impact on the voting public who, for months - if not years - now have been saying "enough!"

You don't piss people off that much for that length of time and hope to get away with it.

RJM 11th Dec 2012 08:15

I'm sure there's a dollar in selling little baseball bat pins once the election hasa been announced.

Croozin 11th Dec 2012 09:54

New electoral laws that automatically enrol up to 1.5 million voters are another example of federal Labor "rorting the roll", Liberal frontbencher Christopher Pyne says.

An analysis of Newspoll surveys indicates the coalition's primary vote would slip by 1.5 percentage points if those eligible to vote but not enrolled – mainly young people – were enrolled, The Australian reported.

As many as a dozen Liberal and Nationals seats may be threatened if Labor and the Australian Greens mobilised the "youth vote", the newspaper said.

Mr Pyne said this was "the latest iteration" of Labor trying to get an advantage over the coalition. "Rorting the roll is routine for the Labor Party," he told Sky News.

Mr Pyne also said voters should be required to show identification for enrolment purposes. "I think our roll has been far too loose for far too long," he said.

Labor 'rorting' the electoral roll: Pyne | News | Business Spectator

It will be interesting to see if the Coalition ever do something about this, or it just gets buried along with so many other reforms promised during every election campaign but never delivered.

Andu 12th Dec 2012 00:23

The court has dropped the case against Peter Slipper.

Quelle surprise.

Labor now crowing about the case being a misuse of court proceedings.

Next we'll hear them saying Slipper is innocent of all charges.

sisemen 12th Dec 2012 00:37

Puts on Victor Meldrew voice......"I don't believe it!"

Bunch of shysters.

CoodaShooda 12th Dec 2012 01:24

So why did the government settle out of court?

Appeal pending, I daresay.

It has struck me that the proposed new laws, that will make it illegal to cause offence by expressing a political opinion, will leave our politicians open to multiple claims every time they open their mouths.

I guess the pollies will have to be excluded from the new provisions - otherwise I can see a lot of us becoming self-funded retirees and serial litigants. :E

And, even better, unless exempted from the new laws, they are guilty unless they can prove themselves innocent.

I often wonder whether labor isn't getting its ideas from Governing for Dummies by Franz Kafka.

Captain Sand Dune 12th Dec 2012 08:43

And furthermore:

NSW north coast health workers cannot call colleagues or patients terms such as "mate", after a memo stated it was inappropriate.
The memo, which was sent out by the Northern NSW Local Health District, told workers that these terms may be perceived as disrespectful, disempowering and non-professional, the ABC reports.
Other terms mentioned as being inappropriate were "darling", "sweetheart" and "honey".
The memo says the directives are in line with the NSW ministry code of conduct.
"The utilisation of this language within the work place at any time is not appropriate and may be perceived as disrespectful, disempowering and non-professional," the memo said.
"This type of language should not be used across any level of the organisation such as employee to employee or employee to client."
The controversial memo comes as James Spigelman addressed the Australian Human Rights Commission on freedom of speech.
He said that on the issue of regulating hate discourse, Australia could not afford to shift so far as to impinge on freedom of speech.
"The freedom to offend is an integral component of freedom of speech. There is no right not to be offended," he said.
"Words such as 'offend' and 'insult', impinge on freedom of speech in a way that words such as 'humiliate', 'denigrate,' 'intimidate', 'incite hostility' or 'hatred' or 'contempt', do not. To go beyond language of the latter character, in my opinion, goes too far.
"None of Australia's international treaty obligations require us to protect any person or group from being offended.
"We are, however, obliged to protect freedom of speech."
Well there you have it, comrade!

Clare Prop 12th Dec 2012 09:06

“Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?... Has it ever occurred to you, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?... The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact, there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking-not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”
― George Orwell, 1984

Worrals in the wilds 12th Dec 2012 09:07

NSW north coast health workers cannot call colleagues or patients terms such as "mate", after a memo stated it was inappropriate.
What a sucky place to work. :(

FullOppositeRudder 12th Dec 2012 09:37

Larry Pickering's site appears to have been neutered late this afternoon.

Hacking? Or legal action along the lines just discussed???

Buster Hyman 12th Dec 2012 11:43

...and people still defend this clown of a PM!

Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun


BenThere 12th Dec 2012 12:10

Not to worry. Only Australia's decreasing proportion of male citizens of European origin will ever be brought up on charges for causing offense by their speech.

prospector 12th Dec 2012 20:53

I blame America, that was the birthplace of ardent feminism.

FullOppositeRudder 12th Dec 2012 22:20

Pickering is back :ok:

sisemen 13th Dec 2012 00:21

Pickering's take on the Slipper affair (no pun intended) is the most erudite summing up of the situation that I've seen so far

The odd part is Rares' ruling. There is no excuse for a Federal Court judge to throw a case out on the basis of political implications or suspected "motivations" dressed up as abuse of process.

It appears the Federal Court has become politicised... and look no further than Gillard for a culprit.

Dark Knight 13th Dec 2012 04:49


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Croozin 13th Dec 2012 09:18

From the Kangaroo Court of Australia website:

H. W. S. October 7, 2012 at 9:26 pm #
I recommend to all, especially lawyers, search: ‘lawyers and the third Reich’ and learn. Particularly, with respect that the first law officer of the Commonwealth and her staff take note. Our democracy and the Westminster system is being brought into disrespect and our democracy is under threat……it seems. Lawyers, better pull their fingers out! The fourth estate is history, the internet now is the bastion of democracy and due process. (and hopefully, justice)
I'm just back from neighbourhood Christmas drinks. Everyone there, without exception, expressed grave misgivings about where this country is headed.

AG Nicola Roxon gives instructions to her subordinate Justice Steven Rares in the Peter Slipper / James Ashby case | Kangaroo Court of Australia

Lon More 13th Dec 2012 15:47

Wow I hope all people stick to this one – what a wonderful place Australia would be

Dear friends,

There are less than 18 months until election day when the people will decide who will be the next prime minister of Australia.
The person elected will be the prime minister of all Australians, not just the Liberals or Labor. It's time that we all need to come together, Liberals and Laborites alike, in a bi-partisan effort for Australia.
If you will support Tony Abbot, please drive with your headlights ON during the day.
If you support Julia Gillard, please drive with your headlights OFF at night.
Together, we can make it happen.

glad rag 13th Dec 2012 17:25

NSW north coast health workers cannot call colleagues or patients terms such as "mate", after a memo stated it was inappropriate.

fight fire with fire.. etam!

Solid Rust Twotter 13th Dec 2012 19:07

There's always the old Saffer standby of Boet and Swaer. Should be enough of us around your neck of the woods to make it work. Drive the ones who came up with the "mate" ban crazy too, just as a bonus.

Funny Castrol Oil Ad - YouTube

CASTROL Boet & Swaer Drag - YouTube

Andu 13th Dec 2012 21:03

Just finished hearing Prime Minister Julia Gillard's "last interview for the year" (one of the small mercies of the Silly Season) on the ALPBC where she made one statement that might come back to haunt her. "Iyn the 2010 electshun, the peepol of Awstraya got it right - the peepol of Awastraya always get in roight at electshuns".

Unless there is some fearful vote rigging - something we cannot guarantee will not happen - the "right honourable" JEG might come to regret those words.

I loved the way, 24 hours after a worldwide survey found that Australia has by far the poorest education levels of any English-speaking country IN THE WORLD, she was allowed to crow of about her "educashun revolushun" and her UNFUNDED "disabilidy" insurance.

Mal Brough should be flattered as hell when he sees the efforts they're going to to blacken his name. It's some indication of what a threat they see him to represent.

Elineen, enjoy your last (totally secular) "Holiday Season" in the Lodge. If you're still in situ for next CHRISTMAS, it will only be because this country has suffered a coup by you and your criminal gang, and people like me will not, by then, be permitted to write dissenting opinions online.

Andu 13th Dec 2012 22:27

Two more boats with 115 country shoppers announced as having arrived on Wednesday night. That takes the total for this month to over 500 - and we aren't halfway into the month yet.

And Wayne and Eileen (Eileen as late as on the ALPBC this morning) tell us they're still going to deliver a surplus, even after Joel Fitzgibbon says maybe they shouldn't.

Reports on the radio yesterday of busloads of people on bridging visas turning up at an old old people's home in Ryde, and standing out in the street (why?) late at night using their mobile phones, (which every one of them has) to make long calls overseas. When asked by a neighbour how they could afford to make long calls overseas, they replied "no bills". Apparently, you and I are paying for the calls they make to tell the rellies back home how to follow them.

parabellum 13th Dec 2012 22:36

Regarding the Slipper affair, if it is the subject of an appeal should Roxon and others even be discussing it? Isn't it sub-judice?

CoodaShooda 14th Dec 2012 00:55


My understanding is that no appeal has been lodged yet, so Roxon et al claim they are free to comment.

Not really surprising, as they have repeatedly demonstrated their contempt for social conventions and the spirit of our laws. However, they do have a point.

The libs are using the "appeal" as grounds to avoid comment.

While Ashby has said he wants to appeal, he still has to find grounds in the judgement on which to proceed.

parabellum 14th Dec 2012 02:16

Thanks Cooda, don't see the opposition bothering to respond very much, it will just be a tit for tat, you want a Slipper inquiry and we want a Gillard inquiry, stalemate?

CoodaShooda 14th Dec 2012 05:32

you want a Slipper inquiry and we want a Gillard inquiry, stalemate
The rest of us just want an election. :E:ugh:

heated ice detector 14th Dec 2012 07:47

we do not want an election, there is a possibility that Abbot, Bishop and Pine would then be leading this country, I supposed if it coincided with the 21st then all would make sense after all

sisemen 14th Dec 2012 07:53

You are in a distinct minority hid. Without exception, the supporters of the right want an election and we want it NOW and some of the left want an election in order to clear the air.

It would appear that the only people who don't want an election are certain independents who can clearly see the end of the gravy train; those too frightened to face the electorate at all; the mindless rusted on Jooliar fan club; those who need more planning time to get the electoral rorts in place and you.

Worrals in the wilds 14th Dec 2012 08:10

Would the Libs want a Slipper inquiry ? He's been in both the Liberal and the National Party. I think an inquiry could uncover more dancing skeletons on all fronts than the Mexican Day of the Dead festival. :suspect:

My hunch is that both sides wish he'd just go away.

Croozin 14th Dec 2012 10:07

Reports appearing online - as yet unconfirmed - that Judge Rares, (the man who handed down the report that coincided almost to the word with Nicola Roxon's earlier public comments about the case), has just been appointed to the High Court.

Surely this will turn out to be untrue? Surely this sorry mob aren't so blinded by hubris as to do something so incredibly, blatantly, in your face CORRUPT as this?

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