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rh200 7th Jul 2015 00:38


I do feel for the young people of Greece who have been royally screwed over by their elders.
They don't call it Greek for nothing, how do you think cultural behavoirs are past on:E.

RJM 7th Jul 2015 03:28

That's rather cryptic.

RJM 7th Jul 2015 03:29

No it's not! :p

parabellum 8th Jul 2015 08:13


Not one pro-Greek articles I've read anywhere has addressed the fact that fully half of Greeks simply do not pay their taxes.
Long article in the Dutch media today on just that subject, billions have been spirited out of Greece, (much by the Spiros banking interests!), and no tax paid. Greece has added this amount to their total debt and consider it lost as they won't go after the culprits, the wealthiest families in Greece.

MTOW 8th Jul 2015 09:28

Short Willy wriggled and squirmed today in the TURC, but no one managed to land him.

410 8th Jul 2015 09:50

From the Tim Blair Daily Telegraph site.


Tim Blair – Wednesday, July 08, 2015 (6:23pm)



What sort of politician has secret campaign staff?



There was a bizarre moment when Mr Shorten asked that the name of his second campaign worker be kept secret.

Mr Shorten wrote down the name of the woman on a piece of paper which was then handed to the Commissioner, former High Court judge Dyson Heydon.

Mr Shorten: “Sometimes being mentioned in the commission even in passing can embarrass people even when they’re perfectly innocent.”

Mr Stoljar: “I’ll merely refer to this person as the mystery person for now. You had a mystery person working in your office.”

When Mr Shorten said he was uncomfortable with this description, Mr Stoljar answered: “What pseudonym do you want me to use Mr Shorten?”

Mr Shorten: “The second campaign worker.”

As John Lyons asks: “How can Mr Shorten – the alternative Prime Minister – expect that the identity of his deputy campaign director be kept secret?”

rh200 8th Jul 2015 10:40


but no one managed to land him.
You wouldn't expect to, at his level there are true believers to take the fall if needed.


merely refer to this person as the mystery person for now. You had a mystery person working in your office.”

uncomfortable with this description

The second campaign worker
ROFL, you can bet the answer to that question will be a bingo prize for someone. Fairly well certain the pack will be out to "out" them now:ugh:

RJM 8th Jul 2015 10:53


Opposition Leader Bill Shorten failed to declare a political donation of about $40,000 from labour hire company Unibilt he received in the lead up to the 2007 election campaign.

In his much anticipated appearance before the royal commission into trade unions on Wednesday, Mr Shorten admitted the donation was only declared to the Australian Electoral Commission in recent days.

- Sydney Morning Herald 8/7/15
NSW Liberal premier Barry O'Farrell fails to declare the gift of a bottle of Grange Hermitage wine. He resigns.

Worse, Shorten won't answer questions. He's at the 'I was unaware/wasn't told' stage, but soon he'll have to move on to 'I don't recall'. After that, it's 'I deny any wrongdoing' and finally, 'I'm too ill to go on'. There seems little hope of 'I'm resigning to spend more time with my family'; I think Bill likes power too much.

The dirty cash must be flowing through the ALP and the union movement like a river of gold. Just dip your bucket in and take what you want.

Worrals in the wilds 8th Jul 2015 12:47


Not one pro-Greek articles I've read anywhere has addressed the fact that fully half of Greeks simply do not pay their taxes.
Yep. Thought the same thing, many times over. :ok:
There are two options; pay low tax, get nothing without paying. India works on this principle, and it does work. The other option; pay big taxes, get lots. Scandinavian countries use this principle and it also works. Australia sits in the middle. However, if your collective doesn't pay tax but still expect lots, then sooner or later it FUBARs. :} For all the political crap we endure, at least neither side (nor even the fringe parties) espouse the Greek way.

On another note, Origin... Queenslander! :cool::cool::cool:

RJM 9th Jul 2015 06:30

Well, Shorten's memory is beginning to fail under the pressure of the royal commission into trade unions:

Stoljar: Did you have discussions about the agreement to pay the AWU $100,000 in instalments?

Shorten:I don’t remember that.

Stoljar repeats the question.

Shorten:I don’t particularly remember having discussions on what you’ve just put to me.

Early dementia? Inability to think clearly under pressure? Amnesia? What else could it be?

SOPS 9th Jul 2015 08:03

I was wondering how long it would take for his memory to fail.

SOPS 9th Jul 2015 11:17

And in other news, it seems those on the left are very good at spending other people's money on themselves.

Kathy Jackson court case: More evidence reveals former union official's alleged lavish spending - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

RJM 9th Jul 2015 12:03

While there must be many unionists committed to improving members' pay and conditions, and there are certainly many Labor supporters convinced that Labor is the party of morality and compassion, it seems to be becoming obvioujs that at the top, the union movement is no more than a means to wealth and power for those savvy enough and with the forititude with withstand the climb upward.

Shorten, for example, has never worked in any of the trades represented (or misrepresented) by the AWU, yet he calls the shots for thousands of workers.

410 12th Jul 2015 02:04

This guy doesn't pull any punches.

Bill Shorten?s mystery woman. His spy in the Police Minister?s office and the links to the HSU fraud | Kangaroo Court of Australia

The article makes some very serious allegations about Victorian police.

Terry Dactil 12th Jul 2015 02:51

Seems to be a bit of a pattern here.
Shorten delares the corrupt donation only after the RC finds out about it, and now withdraws the request to hide the identity of the mystery woman only after the media has tracked her down and it will soon be public knowledge.
"See. I'm a good guy and don't try to hide anything (after it has been found out)."

parabellum 12th Jul 2015 02:59

Shorten was just on Sky whinging and moaning about the coalitions decision to stop funding wind power for renewable energy. Obviously hasn't bothered to brief himself on the commercial viability of wind power, very high initial capital cost, very high maintenance costs, insufficient electricity generation and a host of environmental issues. :rolleyes:

Ethel the Aardvark 12th Jul 2015 06:09

Oh dear, head up arse syndrome again.
World investment in renewable energy up around 20 % per year, Australia going the other way by 70%.
I think blabbott should base his decisions on scientific data instead of a bike ride around Rottnest Island where he encountered his first experience with a nasty windmill and probably caught his windmill syndrome illness.

RJM 12th Jul 2015 06:23

Ethel, look around for recent highly qualified reports on the costs and benefits of energy production by wind. The case in Germany is a good place to start. The Germans have given wind as an energy source a good crack, and if anyone could do it with maximum efficiency, it would be the Germans.

The Germans have found wind farms to have unacceptably high capital costs, in installation, maintenance and particularly in replacement which is necessary far sooner than the infrastructure for other forms of energy production.

How do you get around the problem that the high cost of wind energy must mean either uncompetitive energy prices, or unacceptably high subsidies from taxpayers?

rh200 12th Jul 2015 07:05


This guy doesn't pull any punches.
What a cracker:ugh:.


The Germans have found wind farms to have unacceptably high capital costs, in installation, maintenance and particularly in replacement which is necessary far sooner than the infrastructure for other forms of energy production.
Most on the left who sqwark about renewables are intellectual dwarfs, and wouldn't know whats good, if it fell and hit them on the head.

Wind like solar, depending upon location, is generally around 20% to 30% efficient. As such you can only handle so much at the present technolgical curve.

Wind like photovoltaic, is no longer an emerging technology. Its already at its development peak, unless someone has a break though. Hence it needs to stand on its own feet.

Tounge in cheek mode. You would be better spending the money in building the latest cogeneration coal plant, and shutting down the old ones.

That said, if we are going to persist with the renewable caper, then we should use that money to help get emerging promising technologies off the ground.

There are a few out there that can provide base load like power. But they really need the investment to get to utility level, so as to provide valuable reliability engineering feedback, and operating characteristic information

chuboy 12th Jul 2015 07:07

I am interested to read your sources RJM


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