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SOPS 9th Jun 2015 03:33

Silly me, here I was thinking that people plotting to kill us and take hostages in chocolate shops was damaging the fabric of our society.

Jeps 9th Jun 2015 04:55

RH200,
RE the Australian of the year award. I completely agree. Not saying the recipients aren't good people and 'pure of heart' just maybe not THAT award....

PinkusDickus 9th Jun 2015 06:06


The inexorable march to the far right is disturbing and damaging the fabric of our society.
Utter Bollocks!

The Rudd/Gillard/Rudd government not only swung the pendulum as far left as it would go, they superglued the likes of Trigg et al to the system so their carnage would survive their inevitable defeat. The fabric of our society is moth-eaten, being worn away by an increasing number of parasites who have no allegience or committment and make no meaningful contribution to Australia or the Australian way of life.

chuboy 9th Jun 2015 06:18


Originally Posted by PinkusDickus (Post 9005157)
Utter Bollocks!

The Rudd/Gillard/Rudd government not only swung the pendulum as far left as it would go,

The hyperbole is strong here. I see no evidence that the pendulum is as far left as it will go, in fact I see plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Speaking of contributions to Australian society, Joe Hockey (ostensibly considered an improvement over Wayne Swan) has this advice for the exasperated Australians struggling to purchase accommodation in Sydney:

Simply "get a good job that pays good money". Amazing! I can't believe I didn't think of that!

If that wasn't silly enough, he went on to say rising house prices are a good thing because they enabled owners to borrow against the equity to fund new spending - on more property of course.

Well Mr Hockey, if you can't understand what is wrong with that statement, you're part of the problem.

rh200 9th Jun 2015 06:36


The inexorable march to the far right is disturbing and damaging the fabric of our society.
ROFL, oh please, you people wouldn't know right if it fell and hit you on the head.

let me correct that

The inexorable march to the far left is disturbing and damaging the fabric of our society.

Lets see in the last 20 or so years we have degraded that much that.

The family has become a joke.

Significant proportions of emergency departments time is taken up with drunks and other issues with social decay.

Growing problem with young teen girls suffering from internal injurys.

Significant resources being tied up each weekend by police dealing with out of control parties and being attacke by beer bottles

etc etc. All things which have been reported in the last couple of weeks in the news.

Thanks to the Labor party and their left wing accolites, daddys little girl idea of a good time, is going out and being (insert here profanity here) by the local junior footy team.

bosnich71 9th Jun 2015 06:52

Kenny ...sorry, I've re-read your post and now realise that you were referring to all those RWNJs' off blog not the RWNJs' and LWNJs' that haunt these pages.

chuboy 9th Jun 2015 06:55

Give me a f*cking break!

I thought "lefties" were only interested in hemp sandals and lentils and rainbows and access to healthcare regardless of your income. I suppose when it suits you, they are also pro-getting maggot at the club, taking some pingers and, to borrow the vernacular, getting a loose slut for the night.

I suppose lefties are also responsible for the boogieman and your beer going warm! :rolleyes:

The family has become a joke - well maybe because everybody is getting divorced! Not a leftie issue, in fact if it weren't for the uber-right religious zealots of days gone past people wouldn't have felt the need to get married to the first person they wanted to bed in the first place!

Interesting of course that these things were all reported in your news feed the last few weeks and yet they are still somehow the Labor lefties' fault - despite them having been voted out of government well over a year ago. So why is it not the Coalition's fault? Rather curious, I was always led to believe that shifting the goalposts to suit your personal agenda was something only lefties are guilty of?

CoodaShooda 9th Jun 2015 07:11

I love lentils and own a hemp t-shirt. Does that make me a leftie?

I see the left as those who pursue centralized government and diminish the rights and opportunities of the individual.

How do the rest of us define "leftism"?

Takan Inchovit 9th Jun 2015 08:36


Well Mr Hockey, if you can't understand what is wrong with that statement, you're part of the problem.
I guess asking for more handouts is the correct answer. Soon its going to be "I want a car, who's going to give me one?"

chuboy 9th Jun 2015 09:52


Originally Posted by Takan Inchovit (Post 9005289)
I guess asking for more handouts is the correct answer. Soon its going to be "I want a car, who's going to give me one?"

What does that have to do with the price of butter?

You must be part of the problem too.

Takan Inchovit 9th Jun 2015 10:13

Going by your comments, you are the problem. You offer no explanation for any of your snide remarks.

chuboy 9th Jun 2015 10:30

To quote our prime minister, I've given you the response you deserve.

I don't own property and don't live in Sydney so I am not part of the problem. Do you honestly not see a problem with the statement "rising house prices are good because people can borrow against the equity and buy more property"?

I'll give you a clue... people borrowing money against artificially inflated equity. A 3/1/1 townhouse in Ashfield, internal area not even 140sqm, 6.5 years old, asking price $1.2 million. Do you really, truly believe the place is really worth that much? It's worth what someone is willing to pay for it, good for you if that happens to be the same as what the bank agrees to lend you. If not, well that's a problem for someone else I suppose. As long as you get a good job with good pay you'll be right :yuk:

If this was government debt we were talking about, you lot wouldn't stop going on about it :ok:

Saltie 9th Jun 2015 10:34

I think even the most dyed-in-the-wool Liberal voter would agree that Hockey is "accident prone". To put it kindly.

Hempy 9th Jun 2015 10:38

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RJM 9th Jun 2015 11:09

Real estate prices are governed by the immutable law of supply and demand. Historically, attempts to regulate prices in the cause of higher accessibility to and affordability of housing have failed, often causing new problems.

The only ways to make housing more affordable are to increase supply, or to restrict the availability of borrowing for housing. Both are difficult and come with their own sets of consequences.

It doesn't help that in Australia, even first home buyers aspire to housing that a few generations ago would be considered well out of reach for entrants to the market. Nor does it help that so many of us want to live in major cities.

I'm not offering solutions, just describing some of the problems. :uhoh:

Hempy 9th Jun 2015 11:31

RJM, if only things were so simple..

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MTOW 10th Jun 2015 00:23

I'm a little surprised someone hasn't commented on last night's ALPBC re-writing of recent history. The following comment, from the Pickering site, probably gives as good a crit. on it as any.


This whole ABC fakeumentary was always going to be a complete sham from the start. I knew this and as a result decided that I wasn't going to waste a portion of my life being exposed to their lies. My wife on the other hand decided to punish herself with this rubbish (I knew she was a bit of a masochist from the start). The intriguing thing is that she is Chinese by birth (although an Australian citizen for more than 2 decades) and always hungry for knowledge on our culture. She lasted about 10 minutes before she came out to me and said the words "this is just going to turn into an attempt to blame liberal for labor's mess". I found it amusing that someone from another culture was so quick to identify the bias but Aussie born leftists manage to stay blinkered from the truth.

SOPS 10th Jun 2015 01:02

As shocked as I am to admit it, I think that Jo has to go over his get a good job comment. He is obviously very out of touch with the real world.....as are almost all politicians, but he has just admitted it.

( As for Two Dads, she is not out of touch, she judy lives in a parallel universe.)

Takan Inchovit 10th Jun 2015 01:08


If this was government debt we were talking about, you lot wouldn't stop going on about it
My original comment was about ..


Simply "get a good job that pays good money". Amazing! I can't believe I didn't think of that!
... and only that.

Like yourself, I dont live in Sydney and I dont yet own outright my only house (no investments whatsoever). Just a job that I worked hard to get, travelled to get the right skills and moved well away from the big city.

Abbott did state he was going to offer some sort of tax relief during the last election for those living in Northern Australia. Haven't seen that yet as all things political and developmental are purely focused on the big cities (by both sides of politics, although we do have one or two country pollies they struggle with the numbers against.

The Joe Hockey 'comment shite-storm' is simply another LWNJ led stir. (emotion, emotion, emotion)

RJM 10th Jun 2015 01:28

It's to be expected that the Left is outraged at Hockey's comment. Taken by itself, it sounds like 'let them eat cake'.

But in context, the quote is no more unreasonable than advice about the basics of achieving anything difficult or expensive - and buying a house in Sydney, the most expensive city in Australia, is an achievement. You might say that the way to become an elite athlete is to get and stay superbly fit. What? How many of us have the time and the drive to do that?

In an ABC interview, Hockey explained what he meant: Hockey interview

It seems to me that the critics are ignoring the unexceptional common sense of what Hockey said and are simply looking for an excuse to attack the hated Liberals.


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