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Fubaar 13th May 2015 04:58


I would certainly object to being forcibly detained in prison or prison-like conditions under any other circumstance.
So just so I've got this straight in my poor addled head, chuboy. You'd pay a criminal gang to transport you over the sea to a country that has gone to some pains advertising that they don't want you if you choose to come that way; you toss your papers over the side of said boat to make it difficult for the immigration service in that unwelcoming country to send you back where you belong - and you would "certainly object to being forcibly detained in prison or prison-like conditions under any other circumstance."

We come from very different places, you and I. In our heads at least.

chuboy 13th May 2015 05:18


Originally Posted by Fubaar (Post 8974871)
So just so I've got this straight in my poor addled head, chuboy. You'd pay a criminal gang to transport you over the sea to a country that has gone to some pains advertising that they don't want you if you choose to come that way; you toss your papers over the side of said boat to make it difficult for the immigration service in that unwelcoming country to send you back where you belong - and you would "certainly object to being forcibly detained in prison or prison-like conditions under any other circumstance."

We come from very different places, you and I. In our heads at least.

Boy, there must be a lot of hay near your place to be able to construct a straw man of that size.

All I said was that I would object to being imprisoned before I was fairly arrested and charged with committing some crime. Any additional back story you invent in your "poor addled head" prior to my arrest is irrelevant until it is submitted before the courts as evidence.

If there is evidence that someone has committed a crime, charge them with it and put the matter before the courts appropriately. If not, then it is unacceptable to keep anyone in limbo living in squalor.

etimegev 13th May 2015 07:53

Iíve spent the last 24 hours reading all the international condemnation over Indonesia turning back the boat off their coast containing Bangladeshis and Myanmarans.

Nope??

Must have dreamt it then.

bosnich71 13th May 2015 09:17

Chuboy..."it is unacceptable to keep anyone living in limbo in squalor".
Are they though ? I believe the legal migrants to this country pre 1970s' were housed in far worse conditions than those in which the illegal migrants find themselves and those conditions back then were a deliberate policy by Australian governments of the day.

Hempy 13th May 2015 09:25

Manus Island whistleblower describes 'filthy' conditions inside detention centre - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Of course, it's the ABC, so it doesn't really count... (unless they agree with your argument..)

MTOW 13th May 2015 11:21

Paul Murray has just shown a clip of Clive Palmer's budget briefing, where Clive had hired a ballroom to give the media his spin on last night's budget.

The clip showed one very pissed off Clive, arms folded - with not a single other person in the room apart from the bored to snores staff. Not even Clive's one remaining Senator was there.

I look forward to the day when the media gives that same treatment to Jacqui Lambie. But I'm not holding my breath.

bosnich71 13th May 2015 11:28

Hempy .... who am I to argue with the ABC. However conditions for legal, I'll repeat that in case some miss it, legal immigrants prior to the 1970s' was a great deal worse than what the bleeding hearts are babbling on about at the moment.

SOPS 13th May 2015 12:04

I too am waiting to hear the UN condem Indonesia for turning back the boats.

Waiting....waiting.

Also waiting to hear the ALPBC condem it.

Waiting....waiting....

chuboy 13th May 2015 12:06

Well bosnich as much as I'm sure you long for a return to the good old days of the pre-1970s... times have changed.

You know what else was acceptable pre-1970s? Insulating your bedroom with shredded asbestos.

Saltie 13th May 2015 20:11

Paul Murray showed a photo at the very close of his show last night that people did turn up later for the meal Clive Palmer was offering with his budget briefing. He did not look happy in the earlier photo though.

bosnich71 13th May 2015 22:26

Chuboy .... "Bosnich as much as I'm sure you long for a return to the good old days of the pre 1970s".
Well trolled. Do you feel better now?

Worrals in the wilds 14th May 2015 04:06

Remember that Indonesia is not a signatory to the Geneva Convention, so they don't even have to pretend that they go along with it. Australia is. IMO that's a mistake, but it's the way it is.
Mind you, so is China... :E:eek:

Bosnich, fair point re the 457s.

chuboy 14th May 2015 04:43


Originally Posted by bosnich71 (Post 8975832)
Chuboy .... "Bosnich as much as I'm sure you long for a return to the good old days of the pre 1970s".
Well trolled. Do you feel better now?

Well I don't really know what you expected. Comparing conditions in a detention centre today with conditions that were considered acceptable 40 years ago is irrelevant at best.

PinkusDickus 14th May 2015 05:51

News Limited 3:15PM


Swan ejected for calling Hockey 'liar'

WAYNE Swan has been booted from parliament for refusing to apologise to Treasurer Joe Hockey for calling him a 'liar'.
What gall that idiot has, to call someone else a liar. He is the prime architect of the disastrous economic state that Hockey is trying to repair FFS.

chuboy 14th May 2015 05:56

To be fair, the structural issues affecting the economy predate Wayne Swan and were mostly instigated by the Howard government. Were it not for the mining boom the deficit would have caught up to us many years ago.

Doesn't it make all politicians look good though when you read about them being booted out of parliament for calling each other names. How much are they paid again? :ugh:

Hempy 14th May 2015 06:00

Ah, the 'blame previous management' card is still being played? :rolleyes: I know, let's sign the LNP up for 20 years, do you reckon that will give them enough time?

p.s it's funny how the GFC seems to get conveniently forgotten in all the indignant blathering about 'just trying to fix the mess Labor made'.

And as for 'trying to fix it', 'Honest Joe' hasn't really done a bang up job of it so far, has he?

CoodaShooda 14th May 2015 06:27

Hempy

If you're responding to chuboy's post, shouldn't that be "previous, previous management"?

I don't know whether Howard and Costello did a good job or not.

All I understand is that they left Labor with a cash surplus and a budget position that Rudd/Swan, Gillard/Swan, Rudd/Swan claimed would lead to budget surpluses but delivered only deficits.

Along the way, they presided over the trashing of live cattle trading and the home insulation industry, raised industry fears over sovereign risk, pandered to lunatic Greens policies and encouraged rorting by both construction companies and unions alike. It seems the only other industries that prospered were climate alarmism and people smuggling.

Then they locked in a number of unfunded "promises" on health and education without any means of paying for them but which they can now claim to be Liberal "broken promises" and unfair cuts.

In the end, Swan promised a surplus but delivered a budget that suggested an $18 billion deficit. The reality was a $38 billion deficit with future expenditure continuing to outstrip revenue.

It's difficult to see how his time as Treasurer can be measured as a raging success; his World's Greatest Treasurer award notwithstanding.

It's also difficult to judge Hockey's performance without seeing how his first Budget initiatives would have worked had Labor/Greens allowed them to pass the Senate.

rh200 14th May 2015 06:29


p.s it's funny how the GFC seems to get conveniently forgotten in all the indignant blathering about 'just trying to fix the mess Labor made'.
Actually it isn't. Whats conviently forgotten was how at the time every one (conservatives)was saying don't throw every thing we had at it. Another words let us go into reccession a bit and alow the mining boom to buffer.

But no, spend like drunken sailor.


And as for 'trying to fix it', 'Honest Joe' hasn't really done a bang up job of it so far, has he?
Tried that first budget, nothings changed. If they get hold of the senate then they can fix it. Anothers words their in a holding pattern.

chuboy 14th May 2015 07:38


Originally Posted by rh200 (Post 8976075)
Actually it isn't. Whats conviently forgotten was how at the time every one (conservatives)was saying don't throw every thing we had at it. Another words let us go into reccession a bit and alow the mining boom to buffer.

Well that doesn't make any sense. Let the mining boom continue while the rest of the country goes into recession and exacerbate our Dutch Disease even further. Good thing Labor didn't listen to the conservatives.

Interesting that not one of "them" seems to be advocating policies that would put us into recession now.

Cooda, my understanding is the Howard/Costello brought in a bunch of unsustainable tax breaks and concessions that treasury was able to wear and still end up with a surplus because of the economic situation at the time. His government also failed to invest appreciably in major infrastructure which necessitated spending when Rudd came into power. Howard's policies also contributed to macroeconomic effects such as the housing boom which are causing us problems today.

Rudd gets zero points for making any effort to reform these poor decisions. Would have done any differently had the GFC not complicated matters? Considering the utter lack of interest from any elected politician on the issue, I would say no he wouldn't have so he is just as bad in my books. But at least he got us through the GFC in decent shape relative to the rest of the world.

rh200 14th May 2015 08:22


Let the mining boom continue
Actually the mining boom did continue, up until recently. All they did back then, was make a back room deal with the 3 largest companies and screwed over the little guys.

As such they got next to nothing out of their efforts, but destroyed confidence in the smaller players. The likes of Rio & BHP, (yes the same ones driving the price down) went along very nicely thanks to the politcal oral sex that the three big players got off Labor.


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