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chuboy 12th May 2015 12:11

At least we got the pleasure of watching Leigh Sales sweat Hockey in the post-budget interview. I'll never tire of seeing politicians butt heads with her, she seems like one of the only people left in Aussie journalism who'll call BS as it's served.

Hempy 12th May 2015 12:22

Ah, but she's employed by the commo pinko greeno leso leftist ABC, of course she'd call BS...

MTOW 12th May 2015 12:36

So, Joe said tonight that there will be no changes to superannuation. Let's hope that doesn't turn out to be a "There will beee no carbon tax unner a guvvimit eye leed" statement.

God, I do NOT miss that woman's truly awful voice.

SOPS 12th May 2015 12:40

Well described Hempy, you have it right:ok:

MTOW 12th May 2015 12:41

Are we all waiting with bated breath for Senator Jacky Jacky to rip Joe's budget a new fundamental orifice after finding all the faults she 'guaranteed' it would contain as she promised she would this morning? You can be sure that the ALPBC will give her as much airtime as she requires to do so.

I don't 'loike' Senator Jacky Jacky's voice either, but as awful as it might be, it's sweet music to the ear when compared with Julia Gillard's "unique" faux 'woiking class' atonal drone.

MTOW 12th May 2015 12:43

SOPS, you'll have offended our good friend hempy mightily for (purposely?) missing his ultrasubtle sarcasm.

Hempy 12th May 2015 12:45


God, I do NOT miss that woman's truly awful voice.
Yeah, I thought Billy McMahons voice was gratingly painful too. Relevance?

p.s it wouldn't be too hard to get one past the outside edge of SOPS bat, tbh.

rh200 12th May 2015 12:54


Do tell whats great about them, doc.
Like all things good in theory, its the implementation thats the problem

From where I was they filled a valuable skills shortage. Now I'm sure there where lots of places where they where used, they weren't supposed to, but thats life.

The problem with having a skill shortage is it snuffs growth. In this case the time required to train to a required standard, and get experience is to long, hence temporary imports.

Once the boom is over ,or you get an excess, p!ss them off. Not only do you help yourself, you help the income of some other poor country.

MTOW 12th May 2015 12:56

I have to say I agree with you on that point to some degree hemps. Billy MacMahon's quaver was a tad annoying.

And I concede there's no relevance to Julia Gillard's or Senator Jacky Jacky's politics in my dislike (and in JEG's case, abhorrence) of their voices - it's just that for me, they just grate like fingernails on a blackboard.

And in JEG's case, I honestly believe it is 100% affected to give her street cred as a 'true woiking class goirl' - which she never was nor is. She went to a selective high school where she was school captain. Neither of her parents spoke with anything approaching her unique drone. I'm told by a friend who attended the same school that her accent when she was there was nothing 'loike' the truly dreadful atonal drone she has inflicted upon us since she attended university.

SOPS 12th May 2015 13:19

Sorry MTOW, I did not pick up on Hempys sarcasm, I thought he was just stating the facts as we know them.:ok:

The only problem I could see..he left out sandal wearing, inner city, chardy sipping....

Fubaar 12th May 2015 22:47

Having just read this article -

Obamacrash ? News

I find myself wondering of it's not a joke. Surely it cannot be as bad as this report says it is and the man who introduced it not kicked out of office and before a court? If it's true, it makes Rudd and Gillard look halfway competent by comparison.

chuboy 12th May 2015 23:20


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 8974212)
Sorry MTOW, I did not pick up on Hempys sarcasm, I thought he was just stating the facts as we know them.:ok:

The only problem I could see..he left out sandal wearing, inner city, chardy sipping....

Whatever your opinion of the ABC, you have to admit Leigh Sales is as unbiased as they come when it comes to cutting through the "polly waffle".

Vs PM Kevin Rudd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1D02gct0iU&t=65

Vs Sen Richard Di Natale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO3Zg067yTQ&t=135

Compare that to, say the saccharine back-patting that goes on in the Bolt Report when Coalition politicians are on, and then try to tell me she is the more biased interviewer - with a straight face! ;)

bosnich71 12th May 2015 23:55

Hempy ...'Bosnich,never thought of you as a leftie'.
Well some of us do actually vote differently at different times of ones life. Even union members do not necessarily have to be slightly to the left of Ghengis Khan. And,yes I would have/did, support union action against 457 visas but the problem was that the unions weren't interested in action of any kind except for signing up the visa holders as members, it's all about the cash flow don't you know?

SOPS 13th May 2015 00:30

"The moral view that I hold is that you shouldn't have asylum seekers locked up in prisons in any case in prisons like the one on Christmas Island. People who haven't committed crimes shouldn't be detained."

The above is a comment, taken from the ABC news web site, reference the closure of the detention centre on Christmas Island.

Silly me, I was always under the impression that arriving illegally in a boat, usually with no papers, was a crime.

chuboy 13th May 2015 01:26


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 8974775)
Silly me, I was always under the impression that arriving illegally in a boat, usually with no papers, was a crime.

A profound thought indeed. Next you'll be postulating that driving dangerously on the motorway is dangerous! :ok:

The question is whether merely arriving on boat is illegal in and of itself - in which case your conclusion that passengers on such a boat are criminals is not so easy to arrive at.

In any case, imprisoning people before they have been arrested and charged with a crime is not what civilised societies like Australia ought to do.

MTOW 13th May 2015 01:34

I think no one on either side of politics has a problem allowing people arriving uninvited at our borders without papers to retain 100% freedom. It just involves going immediately back to any one of the SAFE HAVEN nations they have transited before reaching our borders.

SOPS 13th May 2015 03:02

Well Chuboy, may I suggest you try rocking up on an international flight without a passport, and see what happens.

rh200 13th May 2015 03:22


In any case, imprisoning people before they have been arrested and charged with a crime is not what civilised societies like Australia ought to do.
Oughta, well cooda shoulda woulda. We should all be living in an Utopian world also.

Is that arrested, as in the whole official charges and read rights arrested. Or just grabbed and detained until you can be processed arrested. There is plenty of precedent for the latter.

So called civilized societies should be able to do lots of things, like for example discussing what human life is, culture control and the role of immigration.

John Hill 13th May 2015 03:52

If immigrants arrive unannounced and unwelcome and through one way or another get to stay does that mean they, or their descendants, can get a say on the acceptance of further immigrants?

chuboy 13th May 2015 04:14


Originally Posted by rh200 (Post 8974839)
Oughta, well cooda shoulda woulda. We should all be living in an Utopian world also.
So called civilized societies should be able to do lots of things, like for example discussing what human life is, culture control and the role of immigration.

Of course. But utopia can never be achieved and therefore any criticism of the status quo is a pointless waste of energy. The best we can ever get is the current state of events as they exist in this second, am I right?


Is that arrested, as in the whole official charges and read rights arrested. Or just grabbed and detained until you can be processed arrested. There is plenty of precedent for the latter.
Arrested and charged with a crime is what I said isn't it? I would certainly object to being forcibly detained in prison or prison-like conditions under any other circumstance.


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