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Fubaar 29th Mar 2015 11:50

One example of the many mine fields left in place by Labor to make life as difficult as possible for the Coalition government. In this case, (their behaviour in the Senate), not even disguised.

Hempy 29th Mar 2015 13:29

Ah the old 'it's Labors fault' tagline still getting rolled out :rolleyes:

So, how long do we give the Government before it's no longer "not their fault"?? Two years?...five?...ten?? Spare me, it's getting really old :zzz::zzz::zzz:

Captain Sand Dune 29th Mar 2015 19:40

Given the size of the debt that ALP left along with the 'landmines' for the incoming government to step on, you can expect people to be blaming them for some time to come. Get used to it.

rh200 29th Mar 2015 20:45


So, how long do we give the Government before it's no longer "not their fault"?? Two years?...five?...ten?? Spare me, it's getting really old
As long as it takes to get control of the senate!

Another words, how long is a peice of string.

As I said before, it almost looked like the previous government has deliberately undermined any future government. If I was a conspiracy theorist that would be it, but I'm not, its just usual political incompetence.

SOPS 29th Mar 2015 23:36

Hempy....until about 2047, given the total incompetence of the last lot.

Hempy 29th Mar 2015 23:43

Yeah, not sure the electorate is going to give them that long.

rh200 30th Mar 2015 00:19


Hempy....until about 2047, given the total incompetence of the last lot.

Yeah, not sure the electorate is going to give them that long.
They'll be lucky if they get another term, we'll be unlucky if they get another term, and the electorate neuters them again with the senate. In that case I would prefer Labor be in.

I would much rather see it all turn to economic sh!t that is plainly obvious to even the dumbest [email protected], so they can get back in and not be impotent.

chuboy 30th Mar 2015 01:44

It's going to crap either way. Australia had it great for a long while with the mining boom and none of the governments of the day had the vision to make the most of it. They all spent as long as they could pointing the finger at "the previous lot". The posts above are a testament to the fact that this is enough to get reelected. Then as little change to the status quo as possible so as to avoid startling the golden geese while the parliamentary paycheck is still being deposited.

Over the next decade our economy is going to be weaker than most people will be able to clearly remember, and whichever party is governing at the time will ultimately get the blame. In reality both Labor and Coalition were too self-serving during the boom times and have set up the country for failure. Or if not failure, an underwhelming future indeed. But the day that the cash cows stopped giving milk was always going to be a problem for someone else.

If we manage to keep our natural environment intact in spite of the remaining resources industry we have left, perhaps the country will retain its well-deserved reputation as a tourist destination. Maybe then those bachelor degrees in Coffee-Making and "Underwater Basket Weaving" will come in handy, when we're relying on yuans from curious mainland Chinese tourists to pay next month's mortgage interest payments on our investment property portfolios :E


On another note, RE: Billy Gordon MP for Cook - where else but Queensland! :ok:

Pinky the pilot 30th Mar 2015 03:48


..... MP for Cook
For some reason, I initially read that as 'MP for Crook!'

Flying Binghi 31st Mar 2015 03:22

Re Billy Gordon...
 
Listening to ABC TV news earlier and according to 'too busy' Wellington it is the fault of the Courier Mail..:hmm:


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And so it should be...
"Cape York Indigenous leader Noel Pearson says it should be up to the people of the Cook electorate to decide if Billy Gordon should leave Parliament, and not the Queensland Premier..."

Queensland electors should decide MP Billy Gordon's fate, not Premier, Noel Pearson says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)














And don't stand to close to me, this country boy needs his space..;)



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Captain Sand Dune 31st Mar 2015 03:52


Cape York Indigenous leader Noel Pearson says it should be up to the people of the Cook electorate to decide if Billy Gordon should leave Parliament, and not the Queensland Premier.
Quite agree. However the phrase 'be careful what you wish for as you may well get it' springs to mind. I'm not over the politics of N.Queensland, however I reckon Noel's opinion may not be that of the people of Cook. Interesting times.

RJM 31st Mar 2015 04:47

What would be interesting is if the balance of power in the Qld parliament were held by Billy Gordon.

It's remarkable how many people in the Qld ALP appeared to know about the allegations etc against Gordon, yet for one reason or another did nothing about it.

Now Palaszczuk is accusing Springborg of exploiting for political gain the poor abused women in the case, and the Qld Speaker is dog whistling about 'other currents in play', in other words, that Springborg is racist.

Who is exploiting whom in this? What's exploitative about exposing an abuser of women? What's racist about wanting the rules enforced whether the man is black or white?

Palazsczuk has no other straw to clutch as she drowns. She tried to cover up what she knew about Billy Gordon until after the no confidence motion in her government last week. Once again, it's clearly demonstrated that coming clean is always better than a cover up. You usually get found out, especially in politics.

And where, by the way, are the howls of rage from the sisterhood? Doesn't Gordon appear to be a tiny bit misogynist? Nothing on Abbott's epic scale, of course, but surely worth commenting on.

rh200 31st Mar 2015 05:27

Its rather simple really, he is entitled to be in parliament or he isn't. After that is the morality question.

If he is entitled, then any attempts to get rid of him is a viewpoint based on morality.

RJM 31st Mar 2015 05:29

You'd probably have to almost totally crooked to be disqualified from the Qld parliament. (Joh, Russ Hinze, Bligh? etc)

MTOW 31st Mar 2015 05:57

And meanwhile, sarf of Bass Strait, Senator Jacqui Jacqui, badly in need of a publicity fix, sticks a needle of high grade uncut pubiiciDy into her starving (varicose?) veins. And the MSM lap it up.

Am I the only one who suspects she hasn't got a clue what a network is?

And today I heard her describe herself as "a brand name". The sad fact is, she's right in describing herself as such - and what an indictment that is on today's Australia.

Someone should set up a countdown clock showing how many days we have left before the woman sinks into so richly deserved obscurity. Please God (and Tasmanians), let it be just one term.

Please.

Ken Borough 31st Mar 2015 07:40

RJM,

Yours is the first suggestion that I've seen that Anna Bligh was 'almost totally crooked'. Do you have any evidence to have made that assertion?

RJM 31st Mar 2015 09:21

While Bligh has kept her reputation fairly clean, I suggest it hasn't been without a bit of hard work.

Her tenure featured some misuse of funds, such as the abuse of a relocation allowance by her friend Di Fingleton, but it was also interesting that Bligh successfully lobbied Labor, the Greens and the PUP to abandon enquiry instigated by the PUP into Campbell Newman's government but only after the
Liberals tried to extend the enquiry to include Bligh's government.

She also lied about asset sales and the northern rivers issues, and was tossed out in a Liberal landslide partly because of those factors. Then came the report on the floods and the Wivenhoe Dam mismanagement, a few days before the election.

So there are no major scandals, but towards the end, it seemed that people just didn't trust her. I was in Qld at the time of that election, and there seemed to be a feeling that she had got away with a lot.

Hence the question mark. I probably shouldn't haveincluded her in the 'almost totally crooked' bracket. Perhaps 'quite probably more crooked than people think' would be a better description for her.

Takan Inchovit 31st Mar 2015 10:03

... and what was her hubby doing in a highly paid job funded by the public purse, running a supposed green/eco based dept?

Hempy 31st Mar 2015 10:21

I'd be careful of throwing insinuations of 'crooked' around, on either side of the chamber. I'm pretty sure all sides are as guilty as each other in that regard.

RJM 31st Mar 2015 11:03

You do get the odd one who is seems straight as a die. But they're usually in safe seats. For a backbencher in a marginal seat, a $200,000 package and $130,000 pa tax free indexed for life if you can last for three elections is a strong incentive to do whatever it takes. And favours have to be repaid.


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