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Dark Knight 26th Mar 2015 22:41

What kind of shameless hypocrite is Julie Bishop? When in Opposition, she was implacably opposed to Rudd's push for a seat on the UN Security Council. The media tart that Bishop is obviously enjoyed her days in the spotlight in NYC so much that she now wants Australia to have another term on the Council.
Never let truth get in the way of peddling propoganda against the current government.

Subtle differece is with Kevin it was all about Kevin - Kevin wanted (wants) to have the UN top position; Julie is about representing Australia's interests or Australia's position in world affairs.

Hempy 27th Mar 2015 01:22

Do tell Dark Knight, it seems a pretty accurate assessment to me. Perhaps you know something the rest of us don't?

Or are you just sprouting 'propaganda'?

alisoncc 27th Mar 2015 05:53

Australia is in one of the worst housing bubbles we have ever seen


I tend to agree wholeheartedly. Surely any due dilligence would sound warning sounds for anyone following the crowd. Perhaps we shouldn't be asking if but when.

PS. Anyone want to buy any Tulip bulbs, only $2,000 each.

RJM 27th Mar 2015 06:36

OK then,
Just to get the ratbaggery back on track..
Anybody got an opinion on the imminent NSW elections?

I'd like a bit of guidance on which way I should vote.
I'm a bit naïve. Can anybody help?
Stanwell - don't vote for the dodgy bastards. :p

Ascend Charlie 27th Mar 2015 06:55

Doesn't matter how you vote, some d1ckhead gets elected. My local member is Clive Palmer ...... case closed.:(

alisoncc 27th Mar 2015 22:54

Further to previous:

Incredibly, both levels of government allow access to first home buyer grants even to existing property investors if they have never bought a property to live in. This allows buyers to benefit from both the negative gearing tax arrangements and first home owner grants if they choose to do so.
Gearing system showing its age

As it now operates, negative gearing purchases are pushing up existing property prices, encouraging even further levels of geared property investment. At a personal level, current arrangements provide limited options for achieving home ownership unless there is family assistance to reduce ongoing debt commitment.

Dark Knight 27th Mar 2015 23:33

Hempy, surely you are not suggesting/denying it was `not all about Kevin - Kevin wanting to have the UN top position'?

Saltie 28th Mar 2015 07:09

Paul Murray last night on why negative gearing will never be dropped. 540 properties negatively geared by our f ederal MPs, even the greenies and Leftie Laborites.

rh200 28th Mar 2015 07:20

I'm a bit naïve. Can anybody help?
Rather easy.
If your not philosophically aligned then. is there anything about any of the two parties you really hate? If so vote for the other, if not leave the one in power in until they c$%k it up enough that you vote them out.

I tend to agree wholeheartedly. Surely any due dilligence would sound warning sounds for anyone following the crowd. Perhaps we shouldn't be asking if but when.
Its called freedom, you dum enough to try and keep up with the Jones, then tough titties, you go down the gurgler.

Paul Murray last night on why negative gearing will never be dropped. 540 properties negatively geared by our f ederal MPs, even the greenies and Leftie Laborites.
Negative gearing is one of the biggest wealth builders for the little person if they can get into it. In fact its very unlikely those people who have will ever be a burden on the system.

The problem is with the institutionalized investor.

Hempy 28th Mar 2015 07:39

Originally Posted by rh200
It's called freedom, if you're dumb enough to try and keep up with the Joneses then tough titties

Fixed that for you :ok:

Negative gearing is fine unless the market drops. Hence the reason for the bubble. It's typical of the current 'I'm right Jack, future generations can look after themselves!' attitude that has permeated todays Australia tbh

Captain Sand Dune 29th Mar 2015 02:55

HUMAN Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs believes “fair minded” people would think it was reasonable to pay a wife-killer $350,000 in compensation.
Professor Triggs yesterday used a Senate estimates hearing to again defend her decision to recommend to the government that Indonesian refugee John Basikbasik, 51, be compensated for being held in detention after bashing his pregnant partner to death with a child’s bike in 2000. She was 28.
Basikbasik served seven years for manslaughter before he was released into Villawood Detention Centre because the government believed he was too dangerous to be allowed in the community.
He is a genuine refugee and cannot be sent home. He remains in detention after almost eight years.
Prof Triggs conceded the government had acted lawfully but stood by her compensation claim.
“I appreciate the public wants to know how these sums are computed but again I think a fair minded person would say to be held for eight years without a charge, without a trial, and without consideration as to whether alternatives could be considered for this man, especially in light of the psychiatrist’s evidence that a management plan had not been developed for him, would consider the compensation proposed was a reasonable one,’’ she said.
Prof Triggs said the government had not given enough consideration to the case.
“I think most fair minded Australians would say that to hold a man for eight years after he has served his full prison sentence is something that does require at least the regular consideration of his case.”
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has repeatedly slammed Prof Triggs over the Basikbasik decision. Her relationship with the government is regarded as unworkable.
The government has not paid the compensation.
Mr Abbott was left furious last month when Prof Triggs asked for a royal commission into children in detention after conducting months of hearings that culminated in a 315-page report.
The government had cut the number of children in detention from almost 2000 when it came to power to under 200. Mr Abbott said at the time the commission should be “ashamed” of itself for releasing the “partisan” report.
How far removed from reality can one be?!:yuk: I’m confident Professor Triggs’ impression of ‘fair minded’ differs markedly to other Australians that don't exist solely in the rarefied atmosphere of academia. Small wonder TA wants her out.th

SOPS 29th Mar 2015 03:08

Can't they just shut the whole thing down and send this woman packing?

alisoncc 29th Mar 2015 07:32

Keeping to my previous theme:

Sans Souci waterfront sells for $6 million at auction

A rundown redbrick waterfront home in Sydney's south stunned onlookers when it sold for $6.05 million at auction on Saturday.


They must think they are playing Monopoly with funny money.

MTOW 29th Mar 2015 08:22

I must admit, $6.05mill in San Souci does have a tinge of tulips about it. Particularly when you consider the buyer will almost certainly have to spend $100k or more getting it into a something like what he wants.

I have a friend who asked me to take a look a "renovator's delight" in Darling Point a couple of months ago. It's been vacant for three years, badly (and I mean badly) affected by rising damp (to the point where it needs a dry course cut in to every internal and external wall). The floors need complete replacement, and after that, it's virtually a start from scratch.

To get anything remotely do-able, two internal walls - both double brick, both load bearing will need to be removed, and then it's a full refurb. New kitchen, new bathroom, new everything. $150k at a minimum - and you'd end up with a two bedroom flat with no hint of water views. Great location, but basically, a two bedroom flat with no car parking.

Someone paid $1.15 mill for it before auction the same price my friend had set as the price she was willing to g to if it had gone to auction.

As allisonc says... tulips.

RJM 29th Mar 2015 08:43

According to Domain Group data, the median house price in San Souci is currently $1.23 million.
Not any more!

$100,000 to fix... I suspect the bulldozers will move in shortly after settlement. It looks as though there's an extra large waterfront area, and it's next to a reserve. That would help the price.

Tulips. And 'Pass the Parcel...Bomb'

criticalmass 29th Mar 2015 09:00


The Human Rights Commission in Australia is statutory body, funded by, but independent of, the commonwealth government and the President is appointed for a term and has to run that term unless it can be demonstrated they are mentally incompetent or manifestly incapable of performing their duties. Triggs was a Leftist appoinment, taking up her position in 2012 whe we had one of the worst Labor fedral governments in the history of Austrlian federal politics.

The Left routinely use this ploy to infect commissions with their unique political philosophy and use them as "moles in place" or saboteurs to undermine attempts by right-leaning or conservative governments to undo the evils of Leftist governments. Apart from anything else, it ensures the government actually funds the subversives who seek to destroy, or at the very least undermine, it. The Left are particularly adept at this, and it is one of their favourite tactics. The evil lives on, whether they remnain in power or not. I regard it as a form of "political cancer" which infects the body politic and which is extremely hard to remove.

Re the issues of removing Prof. Triggs:- the easiest way would be for the government to pass legislation to abolish the HRC - if it could. Unfortunately, even if it did so, the bill wouldn't get through the recalcitrant Senate. The Greens and Labor would block it. Whilst it would make a fine trigger for a double-dissolution Federal election, the current Federal government isn't in a strong enough position to call one, and the Prime Minister seems reluctant to put the issue to the test.

So we are stuck with Professor Triggs and her "through the looking-glass" view of the world, at least until her statutory term as President comes to its end. All we can hope for is she makes herself look so stupid that she never receives another appointment to a public position ever again after her term ends - or she dies from a terminal disease, myocardial infarction, stroke, car-accident, opportunistic meteorite impact etc, avalance, building collapse, or suicide. At least we know one thing. Her last brain cell will die lonely.

Unfortunately, the unspeakable Left have a habit of outliving pretty much else except cockroaches. You can spray cockroaches, but no-one has invented a "Lefticide Spray".

If someone does, put me down for a couple of cases, please!

MTOW 29th Mar 2015 10:10

The most dangerous thing about triggs (sic) is that, with her carefully coiffed hairdo and her well modulated private schoolgirl's accent, she seems mainstream. She's anything but - she's a rabid leftie who'd be more true to form with a kaftan and flowers in her uncombed, unwashed long hair.

She's also one of those lefties who KNOWS what's good for us, the 'ignorant, unenlightened' Great Australian Unwashed - and is committed to inflicting that life on us whether we want it or not.

Pay her out, Tony. Just tell her she can collect her inflated pay packet to the end of her contract period - but don't come to 'work'. It'll be far cheaper than leaving her in place t sow her poison.

rh200 29th Mar 2015 10:31

A rundown redbrick waterfront home in Sydney's south stunned onlookers when it sold for $6.05 million at auction on Saturday.
Location location location:E

Not sure what your point is, there are whole suburbs around, where old houses are getting sold for a fortune. They usually get knocked down, and two or more smaller joints put up.

Down sizing, increasing in value, and increased population density, all natural. Anyone in the property market for short term gain runs a risk, any plodder who saves their cookies up and gets into property, does it for the long term, in that case they rarely lose.

RJM 29th Mar 2015 10:43

Gillian Triggs should resign. Watching her performance at a recent Senate hearing gives you some idea of why. Her maneagement of the HRC as a freedom-inhibiting and rights-restricting tool of a would-be totalitarian Labor government tells you the rest of the story. (Julia Gillard drafted a draconian clause which would have outlawed any personal insult whatsoever: 'The HRC also demonstrated its innate hostility to freedom of speech when in 2012 it backed Julia Gillard’s ill-fated Human Rights and Anti-Discrimination Bill, which would have forbidden people from “engaging in any conduct which offends, humiliates, intimidates, insults or ridicules another person on the basis of (their attributes)”.' - Brendan O'Neill. Gillard's proposal was thrown out.

Naturally Triggs doesn't want to leave. She can't find another job on anything like the same salary and conditions, or imposing title: "Australian Comissioner for Human Rights".

And how's this, from the Australian:

THE Australian Human Rights Commission has been using 900 words of boilerplate material in repeated rulings against the government over breaches of international treaties.

The same 900 words appear in findings by commission president Gillian Triggs calling for payments of $350,000 to Indonesian killer John Basikbasik, $200,000 to a Sri Lankan asylum-seeker known as AH, between $175,000 and $190,000 to five boatpeople who were detained after a riot at Villawood detention centre and $300,000 to a man known as MG, who was in immigration detention after his release from prison pending deportation.

The same 900 words also appear in a determination by Professor Triggs’ delegate, Craig Lenehan, who recommended that the government pay $200,000 to Daru islander Daniel Charlie who was detained at Villawood immigration detention centre after his visa was cancelled because of his criminal record.

“There is no question of plagiarism,” said the commission in a statement to The Australian.

Here's a rundown of structural flaws in the HRC:

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RJM 29th Mar 2015 11:27

This puts it well:

ANDREW BOLT: If the net debt is soaring under your watch, from $153-billion to well over $200 (billion) – I mean, this is terrible, and you’re blaming a spending explosion. Can you assure us that total Government spending in real terms in the next Budget will actually be down on the last?
JOE HOCKEY: No, I can’t. And why? Because 86% of all Government expenditure is locked in by legislation. Now, the 14% that is not locked in by legislation includes foreign aid, which we’ve significantly reduced in our last two Budget announcements, the first Budget and then the mid-year update. It includes defence expenditure, which we’ve had to increase, given the significant national security threats, and the fact that Labor under-funded it. So after that, everything requires legislation. Now, the Labor Party and the Greens and the Independents in the Senate are constantly trying to block any initiatives we undertake to change the legislation to reduce the level of Government expenditure. So we stand by our words, which I have said all along – that we will get the Budget back to surplus as soon as possible. But we can only do what is possible.

(Much of the 86% of spending was locked in by Labor, and into the forward estimates, too.)

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