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dat581 20th Mar 2015 06:04

He was a liberal in the American sense but was hardly worthy of the name in Australia. Much like Malcom Turnbull he was to far to the left and should have joined the Labour Party. Most conservatives consider the years he spent in government as wasted. John Howard certainly did not hijack the Liberal Party, he put it back on course. If you want to vote for those policies vote for the labour party.

alisoncc 20th Mar 2015 06:21

One suspects we are up for a weekend of wailing, gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. Have to go and unpack the sackcloth and ashes, either that or cease contact with humanity until Malcolm is finished with. Every man and his dog will be called upon to give an opinion. Who knows they might even dig up Whitlam for his opinion. Perhaps becoming a hermit for a week is called for.

Stanwell 20th Mar 2015 06:30

Hempy,
No, he was quite eloquent - the above quote is an example of that.
The irony I refer to is that the compassion we've shown is being returned by slaps in the face from "refugees" who want to violently tell us we've got it wrong.

Pinky the pilot 20th Mar 2015 06:30


One suspects we are up for a weekend of wailing, gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. Have to go and unpack the sackcloth and ashes, either that or cease contact with humanity until Malcolm is finished with. Every man and his dog will be called upon to give an opinion. Perhaps becoming a hermit for a week is called for.
A fair observation, I would say alisoncc.

I still think it was a great pity that upon gaining Government back in '75 he failed to take advantage of also having control of the Senate. A great opportunity for some substantial reform went unused!:ugh:

And a very cynical side of me says that at least the long suffering taxpayer has been relieved of the burden of one obscene Parliamentary pension!:ooh::hmm:

Stanwell 20th Mar 2015 06:41

alison,
Yeah, ABC Radio National's coverage earlier was interrupted only by the news that Malcolm had indeed passed on.
Time to head for the bunker, I think.

prospector 20th Mar 2015 07:10

Outlived by one of his star pupils, Robert Mugabe, what a pity.

hoofie 20th Mar 2015 07:10

Malcolm Fraser's robust action on Zimbabwe didn't work out quite as planned did it ? I bet you won't find that mentioned anywhere in the media, they are in full on saint-mode.

The left will be eagerly comparing him to Abbott, conveniently ignoring that the world has moved on a bit from 40 years ago.

I'm awaiting Malcolm Turnbull to step up and receive his mantle.

Kodachrome 20th Mar 2015 07:30

It was announced today that under the lieberal's NBN plan they will pay Telstra $100 BILLION(!) over the next thirty years for line rental for their Fibre To The Node scheme. And Telstra will still own the copper lines and pits! This brings the total for the LNP NBN to $140 Billion, in other words the lieberals are spending the exact cost of a roll out of Fibre To The Premises network (which is far, far superior; and future-proof) on LINE RENTAL! :ugh::ugh::ugh:

These are just the hard facts with regards to the installation of the network. it doesn't even factor in the estimated $1 trillion dollar lost to the economy and $100 billion of lost savings to health.

Remind me again who makes the responsible economic decisions in government, and which party is responsible for untold government waste and mismanagement?

It's also worth noting that the chairman of the NBN used to be the chairman of Telstra, and the CFO is the former CFO of Fox. Not that there's a conflict of interest going on there!

Saltie 20th Mar 2015 07:30

There is a direct relationship to what a truly terrible conservative prime minister Fraser was and how loud and praising are the comments from today's Labor leadership. He totally wasted the huge victory he won in 1976, leaving all the excesses and sense of entitlement from the Whitlam debacle in place when he had the mandate to rid the country of damn near all of them.

Stanwell 20th Mar 2015 07:51

Oh c'mon, Saltie,
He was a man for his time - a moderator.
It was his job to balance the excesses of the loony left against the demands of the ratbag right.

Now, if that didn't fit your agenda then I'm sorry.

Ken Borough 20th Mar 2015 10:05


He was a liberal in the American sense but was hardly worthy of the name in Australia. Much like Malcom Turnbull he was to far to the left and should have joined the Labour Party. Most conservatives consider the years he spent in government as wasted. John Howard certainly did not hijack the Liberal Party, he put it back on course. If you want to vote for those policies vote for the labour party.
Fraser was a true Liberal, as is Turnbull. Those like Howard, Abbott and their fellow travellers are Conservatives, Tories, Tea Party loons - call them what you will. The Liberal Party in Australia was mis-named by Menzies when he created it from assorted right wing/conservative bits and pieces all those years ago.

dat581 20th Mar 2015 10:46

More like classical leftys hiding in liberal clothing. You are right on one point, the Liberal party was misnamed. People such as the Malcoms really should have joined the Labour Party.

rh200 20th Mar 2015 11:28


I've tried to wrap my head around exactly what point you are trying to make in that post, but for the life of me I can't. I just reads like someone trying to turn 'life' into a political agenda.
Hardly Hempy, even you should understand the premise, though I would imagine you would want to ignore the root cause.

The original statement was that there appears to be an abnormal amount of suicides, or a trend as such amongst a particular group. I merely stated it is a function of social issues. Long term social issues are guided by social policy.

Its not a matter of a political agenda, it is political.

Hempy 20th Mar 2015 11:44

In the broadest sense imaginable, that has some merit. Although blaming it squarely on the 'labor party' isn't just disingenuous, it's patently ridiculous..

Pinky the pilot 20th Mar 2015 11:50

I noticed that the ABC TV news here in SA mentioned in their report of Malcolm Fraser's passing that he did actually endorse the Greens in the last Federal election.

Showed footage of him with SHY.:eek:

So how that makes him a 'true Liberal' is a bridge too far for me. :hmm:
In the American sense, yes. But we are not Americans!

bosnich71 20th Mar 2015 12:39

I've posted this observation before on Prune but what with Malcolm's passing it's probably worth a repeat.
Some time back I had,as fairly new Australian, occasion to be crawling about under the floor.....Lower 41 ....of one of the RAAF's Boeing 707 aircraft originally supplied during Malcolm's reign as P.M. Anyone who has been down there will remember it as a fairly confined area and as I wriggled along into the light from my torch, written on a bulkhead were the immortal words, "Tammy has one and Malcolm is one".
Probably written some RAAF guy who didn't appreciate working on one of what used to be one of Boeings finest but which was by then somewhat worn out or perhaps he was a Gough fan.

Dark Knight 20th Mar 2015 22:47


lieberal's NBN plan they will pay Telstra $100 BILLION(!) over the next thirty years for line rental for their Fibre To The Node
Never let a little dishonesty get in the way of truth: think you will find when examining history under Labor's original NBN scheme it was Telstra who outsmarted Labor to not sell the copper, pits or infrastructure but to lease it ensuring down the track when leases expired they would have an upper hand renewing contracts regardles of who is in Government then.

Similar to the mining companies designing the mining tax.

rh200 21st Mar 2015 02:18


Although blaming it squarely on the 'labor party' isn't just disingenuous, it's patently ridiculous..
There's only two parties that run this country Hempy. On a social level one that wants to govern social change to manageable level to decrease blow back and the inevitable side effects, an the other on a holy crusade to purify every thing conservative in to utiopian huggy fluffy values and be damned with the consequences.

The things the two parties have in common is they both have to regulate their desires to the electric which forces them to modulate their views.


it was Telstra who outsmarted Labor to not sell the copper, pits or infrastructure but to lease it ensuring down the track when leases expired they would have an upper hand renewing contracts regardles of who is in Government then.

Similar to the mining companies designing the mining tax.
See previous posts on who society as the A team and who has the B team of advisors and strategists.

Rule # of RH200, you can never screw big business (biting the hand that feeds you), they will always screw you if you try, work with them or suffer the consequences.

Hempy 21st Mar 2015 02:27


Originally Posted by rh200
The things the two parties have in common is they both have to regulate their desires to the electric which forces them to modulate their views.

I'm sorry, I don't know what that means :confused:


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