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allan907 8th Jul 2012 09:11

Fpr once Lex I totally agree with you.


a complete disdain for their customers in an obvious and deliberate attempt of opportunism
That sort of behaviour should lead to an instant sacking. Much like this....



and that's why Labor will not be sitting on the Treasury benches following the next election. And the longer the Red Witch delays it the worse will be the drubbing.

OFSO 8th Jul 2012 09:41

And now Dame Edna has announced her retirement ! I always hoped she'd spring to the rescue and be your next Prime Minister, possums.

How much worse can it get ?!

MTOW 8th Jul 2012 12:14

And still they come...


AAP
July 08, 20127:21PM

UPDATE: A boat carrying an estimated 28 asylum seekers has been intercepted off Australia.

Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare said Customs and Border Protection officers intercepted the "suspected irregular entry vessel" at Cocos (Keeling) Islands this afternoon.

"Initial indications suggest there are 28 people on board," Mr Clare said.

The passengers have been taken to Christmas Island for security, health and identity checks.

The latest boat arrival comes after Prime Minister Julia Gillard today said the government's border protection committee will go ahead without Coalition participation.

Clare Prop 8th Jul 2012 15:35

It can be worse. If we lose Dame Edna then presumably we lose one of our finest diplomats as well.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...x/sirles-1.jpg

:(

Andu 9th Jul 2012 00:33

Here it is folks - Gillard's election-winning killer punch, delivered just days before the polls in the 2013 election: “There will be no alliance with the Greens under a government I lead.”

woollcott 9th Jul 2012 01:23

Came home yesterday and found a Somali refugee in the back yard...............

Lex Talionis 9th Jul 2012 03:51


That sort of behaviour should lead to an instant sacking.
I know what you mean Al and I was thinking the same thing about Howard and his statement that a GST would never be a part of his agenda!:D

Then I remembered that he was given the sack so everything does work out for the best in the end doesn't it?

Yes there is Lex; go back to Greece and sort that mess out!
Why would I want to go to Greece HD but if you think they are looking for help and would benefit from your expertise then you are more than welcome to go there and help them out.

First of all, well done to Lex for coming back & arguing for the Watermelon/ALP coalition on current issues!
Buster,that's the problem with debates isn't it?You don't always get to pick the topic you are comfortable with and would like to discuss:D

I do believe there is a place for trade unions to provide a voice for the worker, but not be the voice of Parliament. But you're drawing a long bow by equating his actions with that of all businesses in Oz.
Of course not Buster,that's why we should only have the examples of corporate responsibility and pillars of society that should lead our political spectrum.That leads me to my next example of corporate leadership that we should all aspire to model ourselves on.
Buster,I guess you might have heard about the CEO and COO of Barclays then :roll eyes:
Why would we ever want ex union leaders in parliament when we can have ex business leaders who are such paragons of virtue.If you want me to send you any other examples of business leaders who have made themselves famous or should I say infamous by their actions just let me know because it is not just unionists,workers or the ordinary man in the street who gets caught out doing the wrong thing.:hmm:

So where exactly do you believe that our representatives in parliament should come from?

Instead of ex unionists do you think we should have more people like South Australian LIBERAL senator Mary-Jo Fisher.

Did she resign because of the allegations of shoplifting or because she did her own version of the Hokey Pokey.It looks like it's not only Labor politicians who think they are on a stage or men clowning around in fishnet stockings.

CoodaShooda 9th Jul 2012 04:11

Lex

I wasn't aware the CEO's and COO's of large banks saw a move into politics as career advancement.

Union officials on the other hand................


It looks like it's not only Labor politicians who think they are on a stage or men clowning around in fishnet stockings.
Agreed - but at least she has the good grace to go. I guess if she'd stolen $500,000 instead of $150, labor would be arguing strenuously for her to remain in Parliament?

PS I can only speak for myself but the reference to Howard and the GST just doesn't resonate as a winning debating point.

eagle 86 9th Jul 2012 04:21

Lex,
Here we go again - yes Howard said "no GST" but then he changed his mind - campaigned saying if he was elected there would be a GST - he won and there was. Juliar,on the other hand, campaigned on a "no co2 tax" got elected THEN changed her mind - a difference that might be a bit too subtle for you.
GAGS
E86

Lex Talionis 9th Jul 2012 04:28

Cooda,

My point is that suggesting that only unionists or people who used to be in a union are capable of illegal activity or should not be involved in politics is unjustified when business leaders including corporate bosses have been shown to be more than capable of the same thing.

The people who represent us in parliament should come from a cross section of society.

I guess if she'd stolen $500,000 instead of $150, labor would be arguing strenuously for her to remain in Parliament?
So if someone steals $150 or $1500 they are far more virtuous than someone who steals or misappropriates $500,000?

but at least she has the good grace to go.
Nothing graceful about her departure Cooda.

PS I can only speak for myself but the reference to Howard and the GST just doesn't resonate as a winning debating point.
Cooda,As far as I'm concerned if someone tells me that they will never do something and then later does it regardless of the notification I am concerned at what other little surprises they have in mind.

I could not agree more about Gillards statement about the carbon tax.She deserves everything she will get at the next election because of her handling it.

However,in regards to John Howard what part of "Never...Ever" changes after a matter of time since the original statement precludes a change in respect to time.

He like Gillard made an unequivocal statement and by his last election the Australian public had had enough of him just as they have with Gillard.

Personally,I take a person at their word and with his statement after the Liberal party had lost the election said to all and sundry that the Australian public had spoken and said that they didn't want a GST.So he would not be a part of any move to introduce a GST.
In reality he was thinking all along how can I get them to accept a GST.So like Abbott he was talking in terms of core promises and non core promises.

If he was really honest he could or should have said that the Australian public had not really had the GST explained to them and he would do that over the next 3 years but at the time all he could think of was getting the job and being elected just like every other politician.

I have said time and again this is one aspect of politicians that I dislike intensely.

To me it is nothing more than dishonesty.

GAGS,would you like me to list the other lies that Johnny made and none of them were subtle in any way.Breaking promises is not the sole domain of Labor and the Liberals have made more than their fair share of them.

CoodaShooda 9th Jul 2012 05:43


My point is that suggesting that only unionists or people who used to be in a union are capable of illegal activity or should not be involved in politics is unjustified when business leaders including corporate bosses have been shown to be more than capable of the same thing.
Sorry, I missed that suggestion. Who made it?


So if someone steals $150 or $1500 they are far more virtuous than someone who steals or misappropriates $500,000?
Not at all Lex. To my mind the amount is irrelevant. But I would refer you to the contrast with the "protection" of Craig Thompson. :E

I'm glad we can agree that politicians can be automatically regarded as being intrinsicly economical with the truth and short on deeply held principles.

Now that that is agreed, lets get back to discussing the contemporary competence and direction of our Federal Parliament. :ok:

Buster Hyman 9th Jul 2012 05:52


Buster,that's the problem with debates isn't it?You don't always get to pick the topic you are comfortable with and would like to discuss:D
No, but CURRENT issues are a good starting place. Besides, the ALP removed Work choices, so that's a dead issue, just like they removed the GST...oh wait...

Of course not Buster,that's why we should only have the examples of corporate responsibility and pillars of society that should lead our political spectrum.
Why is that so bad? :confused: Doesn't have to be corporate responsibility, just responsible people. You set your standards pretty low if you don't want that level of ability running the country Lex.

Sorry, I missed that suggestion. Who made it?
I'm with Cooda here. Who said that?

SOPS 9th Jul 2012 07:04

Ans meanwhile, almost under the radar, another boat with 23 onboard, has just rocked up at Xmas:ugh::ugh::mad::mad::mad:

allan907 9th Jul 2012 08:29


I know what you mean Al and I was thinking the same thing about Howard and his statement that a GST would never be a part of his agenda

He like Gillard made an unequivocal statement and by his last election the Australian public had had enough of him just as they have with Gillard.
:zzz::zzz::zzz:

It's been said before about going to an election with a proposal versus introducing something afterwards.

Howard's introduction of the GST was soooooo unpopular that he managed to win the election in:

1998

2001

2004

and lost in 2007 because of the "it's time" factor and the effective but disingenous campaign about workchoices put up by the Unions (not the ALP).

The Coalition Governments then left a big bag of gold which Rudd had managed to squander in a few short months and presided over a complete shambles which will take a long, long time to put back together again. Thanks very much Kevin O'Lemon and Jooliar. :yuk:

So, if Lex's polemic is the best that the left can produce then they are pretty much f**ked.

Andu 9th Jul 2012 09:47

Time to lighten the debate a little...
 
Prime Minister Gillard walks into the Commonwealth Bank of Australia to cash a cheque. As she approaches the cashier she says "Good morning , could you please cash this cheque for me"?

Cashier: "It would be my pleasure Miss. Could you please show me your ID?"

Gillard: "Truthfully, I did not bring my ID with me as I didn't think there was any need to. I am Prime Minister Julia Gillard, the Prime Minister of Australia !!!

Cashier: "Yes Miss, I know who you are, but with all the regulations, monitoring, of the banks because of impostors and forgers, etc I must insist on seeing ID."

Gillard: "Just ask anyone here at the bank who I am and they will tell you.
Everybody knows who I am."

Cashier: "I am sorry Prime Minister but these are the bank rules and I must follow them."

Gillard: "I am urging you please to cash this cheque."

Cashier: "Look Prime Minister this is what we can do: One day Adam Scott came into the bank without ID.
To prove he was Adam Scott he pulled out his putting iron and made a beautiful shot across the bank into a cup.
With that shot we knew him to be Adam Scott and cashed his cheque.
Another time, Pat Rafter came in without ID. He pulled out his tennis racquet and made a fabulous shot where the tennis ball landed in my cup. With that spectacular shot we cashed his cheque..

So, Prime Minister, what can you do to prove that it is you, and only you, as the Prime Minister of Australia ?"

GILLARD stood there thinking, and thinking and finally says: "Honestly, there is nothing that comes to my mind."
" I can't think of a single thing I'm good at."

Cashier: "Will that be large or small notes, Prime Minister?"

eagle 86 10th Jul 2012 01:05

Lex,
You brought up the gst not me - have you never ever broken a promise that has not hurt or disappointed someone?
GAGS
E86

Buster Hyman 10th Jul 2012 02:43

There's breaking a promise BEFORE an election, and there's breaking a promise AFTER an election. Very different, and I know which one I prefer...

Saltie 10th Jul 2012 03:47

I haven't heard, has today's boat arrived yet?

Ovation 10th Jul 2012 08:50

Saltie:


I haven't heard, has today's boat arrived yet?
It's right on schedule.

Distress call reported about an hour ago 45 miles off Indonesian coast. :ugh:

Buster Hyman 10th Jul 2012 09:42

Not even the Spirit of Tasmania keeps such a good schedule!


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