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Ken Borough 16th Sep 2014 07:56

Saltie,

Weren't the euphemisms 'well known sporting personality' and 'colourful racing identity'?

Terry Dactil 16th Sep 2014 08:08

Comedy gold at the RC today.
One witness wanted to refer to her witness statement which was prepared by her union legal team before she could answer a question.
All too obvious she had forgotten what she was supposed to say!

Andu 16th Sep 2014 08:45

Ken, are right and Saltie not quite so. "Colourful racing identity" is my recollection of how the Sydney meedja referred to the likes of...hmmm... maybe it would be best not to name anyone, even after all these years.

Those days, when that term was coined, seem rather quaint and rather simple today, although I'm sure they weren't for the victims of these colourful racing identities, many of whom remained very much in the inner circle of Sydney's Establishment until they went off to that Great Retirement Home in the Sky.

Worrals in the wilds 16th Sep 2014 11:12

Give us an S, give us a P...:E:}
That said, we live in strange/boring/sad(?) times when even Rogerson (allegedly) can no longer sink a body properly, and/or pay the coppers not to notice. :uhoh::}

Those days, when that term was coined, seem rather quaint and rather simple today
IMO when it came to fleecing punters wholesale, none of them were a patch on the modern day internet agencies. And don't get me started on the pokie barons. :ugh::yuk:
In a recent discussion about ol' school Queensland crime, we came to the sad conclusion that the activities forming the basis of that crime (gambling, money lending and prostitution) is now largely government controlled and very lucrative for said government. The only remaining freewheeler is narcotics, joined by (new kid on the block) illegal tobacco.

RJM 16th Sep 2014 12:56


Ken, are right and Saltie not quite so. "Colourful racing identity" is my recollection of how the Sydney meedja referred to the likes of...hmmm... maybe it would be best not to name anyone, even after all these years.
Andu, I think "Saffron" may be one of the names you're circling there...

Ken Borough 16th Sep 2014 13:26

I can remember reading and hearing about quite a few 'colourful racing identities' over the years. While one cannot name those still living but some of the names of those who have gone to a better place that spring to mind include Edser, Galea, Askin, and Freeman. I'm sure there were similar personalities in other cities but Sydney had more than its fair share.

RJM 16th Sep 2014 13:38

There are still plenty of 'colourful identities' around the place. Take one Bill Shorten, for example:

"Labor leader Bill Shorten faces his biggest test yet before the trade union royal commission with claims he oversaw an employment deal that lowered wages for hundreds of mushroom pickers in return for unusual payments to the union he led at the time.

The allegations come as his former union colleague and factional ally Victorian Labor MP Cesar Melhem, faces fresh allegations he used an industry-bankrolled slush fund to buy his way to political power. The fund, known as “Industry 2020”, was first revealed by Fairfax Media in December, 2012…

The royal commission probed the Australian Workers Union’s deal with Victorian mushroom grower Chiquita Mushrooms in the early 2000s, when Mr Shorten was union secretary.

Questions were raised about $4000-a-month payments the union received over six months in return for what the union claimed was for health and safety training.

However, former manager of the Mernda-based mushroom farm operator Stephen Little said he could only recall one training session that lasted “an hour and a half” or two hours at most. Mr Little also acknowledged that, at least in part, the payments were intended to buy industrial peace." - Canberra Times


Young Bill may be looking a little dog-eared to be leader of the ALP at this stage, even without mentioning his colourful private life.

oicur12.again 16th Sep 2014 17:00

The drums of war are beating and Abbott will be sending Australian forces to participate in what will be an illegal action. Again. No debate, no concern?

Takan Inchovit 16th Sep 2014 21:02


Abbott will be sending Australian forces to participate ...
Bipartisan, I believe.

owen meaney 16th Sep 2014 21:39

RJM, correct brother Bill is "dead man walking" right now.
Won't be long til Tanya is leading the team.
I'll start watching the ABC news again just to see her.

Oh, I see you are 12 again, in Australia we don't need parliamentary debate or approval before taking out scum.

rh200 17th Sep 2014 00:02

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he drums of war are beating and Abbott will be sending Australian forces to participate in what will be an illegal action. Again. No debate, no concern?
Illegal, nope don't think so, as long as they stay in Iraqi:p If your implying Iraqi was Illegal last time, some facts please not propaganda, I think the lawyers had the i's doted and T's crossed on that one.

No Debate, why waste time and money when they have better things to do if there such overwhelming support? Its an fluid situation and frankly there's that many ways this could go its not worth it. I suppose the greens extremists though would like some oxygen and PR, their bit like ISIS I suppose.

no concern?

Always concerned, those who are not concerned should take a good look at themselves.

parabellum 17th Sep 2014 02:00

Will it be Plibersek, how about Bowen or Albanese?


Looks as though the Aboriginal elders have already trashed Jacqui's plan for reserved seats in Parliament for the Indigenous?


As rh200 has already said, oicur12, nothing illegal about sending troops to the ME, they have been asked for by the Iraq government. Not 'another illegal war' either. The first one was quite legal, UN sanctioned too. A conditional ceasefire was signed in 1991, none of the conditions were met and hostilities were resumed in 2003. Just one Gulf war, not two. Yes, the Russians, Chinese and French all objected to the resumption of hostilities, but they would, wouldn't they? Considering all three had breached the UN sanctions on Iraq and had been reaping millions, possibly billions, by supplying Iraq during the ceasefire, they had a lot to lose.

Andu 17th Sep 2014 07:20

Andrew Bolt has a thread saying that an increasing number of Australians are identifying themselves as indigenous. If that's the case, it would seem to me that we're fast reaching the point where so many Australians are now identifying themselves as "First Australians" that First Australians are no longer a minority - and therefore, should not require any benefits as an oppressed minority.

Problem solved.

Joe Hockey could dismantle a whole (and very large) government department along with a huge bureaucracy. The savings would be enormous.

John Eacott 17th Sep 2014 07:31


Originally Posted by Andu (Post 8659812)
Andrew Bolt has a thread saying that an increasing number of Australians are identifying themselves as indigenous.

indigenous: adjective, Originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native.

If you were born in Australia then you are indigenous by definition, whatever colour, race or tribe your parents align with.

Pedant mode off.

owen meaney 17th Sep 2014 07:32

Andu, the source article tells an interesting story about nearly white folk, like me, adding themselves to the trough. It as actually taken funding from real aboriginal poverty in the homelands.
This may the reason the the Government is canning all the special Native departments and putting it to mainstream, except for specific funding.

Dallas Scott has a bit to say about psuedo blacks on his Steam train Blog.
This from a man who is blacker than me, ironic no?
http://theblacksteamtrain.********.com.au/

Mmm, you have to type b l o g spot into link above where the astrixes are

7x7 17th Sep 2014 08:00

Someone should post Andu's comment to Joe Hockey. We could be on a real winner here.

I tell you all what would be really interesting - and I mean REALLY interesting. Imagine if the government was able to come up with some reason to place an extra tax on anyone of less than one quarter Aboriginal heritage, with the tax increasing with the lesser amount of Aboriginal blood any such self-proclaimed "(partial) First Australian" could claim to have.

The number of people claiming "First Australian" status might soon prove to be somewhat different to what we've seen of late.

bosnich71 17th Sep 2014 09:00

Ref. Aboriginal/indigenous etc. Try reading " In Tasmania" by Nicholas Shakespeare.

RJM 17th Sep 2014 09:00

Bolt's report says that many of these recent adult claimants of aboriginality have white partners.

It would be good to see some figures. Are these claimants bored housewives looking for grants to kick off careers as dot painters, or what?

It would also be good to correlate recent converts to aboriginality with indigenous-only grant applications.

Meanwhile, for the cynical, Pickering is dishing it out on Bill Shorten, publishing the alleged victim's graphic description of being raped by a 20 year old Shorten in 1987. It's pretty horrifying and Pickering more or less dares Shorten to sue, the implication being that Shorten won't sue if it's true.

He also wouldn't sue if it were true and Shorten has the balls to say 'I don't comment on such rubbish' ' and stare down Pickering, and the girl. But then, if even a tiny shred of truth turns up... It could be 'Hello Tanya (Plibersek)'.

Ethel the Aardvark 17th Sep 2014 14:20

Bolts is a convicted racist talking about Aboriginies and Pickering is an ex political cartoonist and tomato grower.
What men of substance

Fubaar 17th Sep 2014 21:56

Ethel, the dodgieness of that 'convicted racist' tag is the very point quite a few people were trying to make over the last few posts. But of course, you knew that.

Meanwhile, on the ALPBC news this morning: "The Prime Minister will join the Leader of the Opposition, Mr Shorten, to farewell troops leaving for the Middle East this morning." WTF???? Is it any wonder many of us here think the ABC is out of control?


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