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Buster Hyman 10th Jun 2012 03:08

Waste of time Hellsbrink. Lex doesn't answer questions from non believers.

A couple of pages ago, I actually posted the breakdown of some of those figures. Even then, they don't really paint a reliable picture to base any argument on. However, he's welcome to clutch at any straw he can grab at the moment.

What I find sad, is the fact that whilst certain groups can bemoan how bad Abbott will be (based on dubious opinions), just cannot argue a point in favour of the current circus in Canberra...and regularly dismiss the facts of how this country is being driven into the dust right here, right now!

Nothing to see, move along...

Worrals in the wilds 10th Jun 2012 03:21

I'm curious, that's all, as it's the sort of thing that can give a better picture of the state of the economy than the usual dribble that comes out of any government.
At the moment it depends a bit on what you read. Various figures have been bandied around.

The 2011 Census results are about to be released and there should be more solid information available then. Certainly, over the past decade the definition of 'employed' has been tweaked by successive federal governments from both sides of politics. :hmm:

The ABS (bureau of statistics) definition of employed is:
worked for one hour or more for pay, profit, commission or payment in kind in a job or business, or on a farm (comprising employees, employers and own account workers);
which is probably broader than what the average person would consider employed. However, the ABS has also reported that the number of new full time jobs increased by about 90,000 in the last year. I don't know whether that is greater, lower or about the same as the normal rate. Certainly it's better than the number decreasing, though the unemployment rate went up in the same period. :( Stats are difficult to interpret at the best of times, without both parties muddying the water further with their own spin.

Rise in full-time jobs helps to push up dollar
6105.0 - Australian Labour Market Statistics, Jan 2009

Andu 10th Jun 2012 08:05

How many of those new full time jobs are public sector or 'green' jobs?

Worrals in the wilds 10th Jun 2012 09:08

And mining jobs. And fixed term contract jobs in construction for projects that were planned before the GFC. Once a lot of these projects are completed it will be interesting to see how many more are in the pipeline. :uhoh:

Take the Gold Coast as an example (an extreme one, because it's always been very vulnerable to economic boom and bust). At the moment there's a major building being completed and a light rail being constructed, but there are no further major buildings in the pipeline or any other big infrastructure plans on the cards, because companies are finding it difficult to get funding.

Likewise, state and local governments aren't wanting to spend cash on projects that may not pay off (even if they're needed) because there's not a lot of cash in the tin. The Clem 7 investment disaster has guaranteed that very few people will buy shares in infrastructure and apparently the banks are demanding 30% presales before they fund a big scale building development, which is close to impossible in the current climate. Even in boom times, 20% was a realistic pre sales target, so good luck with 30% now.

What lies ahead is worrying people, and I don't think the worry is misplaced.

bob johns 10th Jun 2012 23:34

bob johns
Just saw the list of the Queens Birthday Honours List. Who on earth decides who gets what? Mother Russia Kirner:yuk: Gareth Evans for treason in that sewer of corruption the UN :yuk: Peter Beatie for gaoling political opponents :yuk::yuk: I know one old gentleman who knocked one back some years ago because in his opinion too many undeserving scum get awards they dont deserve. After this listing I would have to agree with him . /

Andu 11th Jun 2012 00:18

Who the *** is Rolf Harris?

Why is Australia giving an award to some 'entertainer' (to use the term very loosely) who has lived and makes his living wholly in the UK for the last forty or more years?

Andu 11th Jun 2012 00:37

Meanwhile, three boats within 24 hours, (a new record), the last from Sri Lanka, where the only people being persecuted go by the name of Tamil Tigers, the very same people who invented the suicide vest.

allan907 11th Jun 2012 00:57

An oldie but a goody:

A pretty little girl named Suzy was standing on the footpath in front of her home.
Next to her was a basket containing a number of tiny creatures; in her hand was a sign announcing FREE KITTENS.

Suddenly a line of big white cars pulled up beside her.
Out of the lead car stepped a red-headed, grinning lady.

"Hi there little girl, I'm Prime Minister Julia Gillard.
What do you have in the basket?" she asked.

"Kittens," little Suzy said.

"How old are they?" asked Gillard.

Suzy replied, "They're so young, their eyes aren't even open yet."

"And what kind of kittens are they?"

"Labor supporters," answered Suzy with a smile.

Gillard was delighted. As soon as she returned to her car, she called her PR chief and told him about the little girl and the kittens.

Recognizing the perfect photo op, the two of them agreed that the Prime Minister should return the next day; and in front of the assembled media, have the girl talk about her discerning kittens.

So the next day, Suzy was again standing on the sidewalk with her basket of "FREE KITTENS," when another motorcade pulled up, this time followed by vans from ABC, SBS, Sky News, Channel 7, Channel 9 and Channel 10.

Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Gillard got out of her limo and walked over to little Suzy.

"Hello, again," she said, "I'd love it if you would tell all my friends out there what kind of kittens you're giving away."

"Yes ma'am," Suzy said. "They're Liberal/National supporters."

Taken by surprise, the Prime Minister stammered, "But...but...yesterday, you told me they were LABOR SUPPORTERS."

Little Suzy smiled and said, "I know.

But today, they have their eyes open."

eagle 86 11th Jun 2012 02:35

Rather see Rolf get a gong than the labor cronies!!

Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2012 07:30

I have never seen as many empty shops in places I go, like last night in our largest regional shopping centre on the Gold Coast, Robina Town Centre;
But on a positive note, after the recent shooting and stabbing incidents it now has the most well-mannered carpark in Queensland. :E:}

Seriously, after being out to few different centres this weekend helping the economy (my latest euphemism for buying lots of stuff at the sales:suspect:) there seemed to be plenty of people out spending. I don't know if the 'good news' from the Treasurer has had anything to do with it, whether the prices are right (lots of 40% off deals around) or there's another factor, but it seemed much busier than the Boxing Day sales. Hopefully the small retail businesses have had a bit of a boost.

Andu 11th Jun 2012 09:18

http://blo_gs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...ts_in_12_days/ (Remove the underscore in the 'b' word to make the link work.)

I wonder if Senator Sarah Twodads could be asked to tell us what number of uninvited immigrants is her personal "oops, too many"? Whilst it will certainly be a figure way beyond what many here would cite, surely to God she has some number in mind?

I wonder what it is? 100,000? 500,000? 1,000,000? 10,000,000?

The Arabs have a phrase to cover Sarah's attitude: "Umm d'lilah" - roughly translated as "if Allah wills it".

Perhaps by the time we reach Sarah Twodads' figure for too many uninvited new citizens, we'll all be using that phrase in everyday conversation - maybe it will even be required by the Australistan government of the day that we do!

allan907 11th Jun 2012 09:46

In which case Andu we'll need to become acquainted with the culture. Here's a starter. WITW ought to take particular note.

I16 11th Jun 2012 09:49

Twodads Day
But in the very best tradition we will have another holiday to mark the occasion :E

Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2012 09:57

What do you expect from Hanson Young? A watermelon of the highest order. I have more respect for people who join the Socialist Alliance and espouse their views openly; also, they run the odd good article on their website. :\

Of course members of the SA don't get voted into parliament with all its accompanying privileges, because their cause is unpopular. For the most part they labor away in their spare time around their usual employment. If you want success as an MP (which is debatably 'employment' :yuk:), you have to find another platform to run with, and Green is much more palatable to the electorate. SHY has little to say about Green issues; a Google search reveals lots about reffs, childcare and other socialist issues and bugger all about the environment. Now whether you agree with it or not it's a point of view, but there's nothing Green about it. Unlike Bob Brown, it's apparent that she's no environmentalist.

What do you think about koalas' habitat destruction, HY? What about the fruitbats and the community's misguided prejudices about them? How about coal seam gas? Do you have anything Green to say, or are you just a closet socialist without the ovaries to actually declare yourself one, because Green is more marketable? :mad:

Another closet socialist riding on turtle coat tails. :bored:

WITW ought to take particular note.
Well, it's more honourable than the Irish code :}. Me, I fight back. Wouldn't make a 'good' Muslim wife. :mad:
Thank Christ (and the Celtic deities) for that.
Queen Boudicca.

Not all Muslims are wife beaters any more than all Irishmen were. IMO it's a practice that should be discouraged. However, let's not forget that the 'rule of thumb' was an English one. Unfortunately all cultures have arseholes who throw their weight around because they can; it behoves all cultures to deal with these sorts of bullies (and their apologists :yuk:) accordingly. Domestic violence is still rife in our 'progressive' culture; we just don't like to talk about it. :( Just because we don't have idiots jumping on TV talking it up doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

There are Australian religious people who both covered up and carried out ritual abuse of minors in their care; until very recently it was ignored and supressed. That doesn't make us all abusers, it doesn't even make all priests abusers, any more than one dead:mad: on the telly makes all Muslims wife beaters.

Say no to violent sociopaths and their apologists :yuk:, whatever your God looks like. :ok: Thence lies civilization.

hellsbrink 11th Jun 2012 15:31

What about the fruitbats and the community's misguided prejudices about them?
Now now, there's no need to talk about politicians like that...


Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2012 20:50

Now now, there's no need to talk about politicians like that...
I wouldn't insult fruitbats by calling pollies that name. :}

Any community prejudice wrt politicians is entirely justified.

david1300 11th Jun 2012 21:29

@Hellsbrink :ok::D:ok::D

Andu 11th Jun 2012 22:20

Worrals, when did true blue Queenslanders start calling them "fruit bats"? North of the Tweed, they've always been flying foxes. Only poofy Mexicans and blue jacketed Cockroaches call 'em "fruit bats".

Haven't heard yet how Jools handled last night's QandA. Was it the usual stacked audience and the usual love fest with only carefully vetted questions allowed?

Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2012 22:27

Really? :confused: They've always been fruit bats (or flying foxes, we use the terms interchangeably) to my mob, generally preceded by a swear word and followed by a long tirade about the effect of their guano on car paint. We must be poofy. :\

I can't see Q&A asking a Labor PM any tough, searching questions (or chucking any shoes this time :E) but in fairness, I didn't watch it. IMO about the only thing on the ABC that's worth watching is Gardening Australia.

eagle 86 12th Jun 2012 00:06

Rest assured by the end of this century Australia will be a muslim country - simply a matter of geography. Many of the problems of today will disappear - climate change, carbon tax, liberal/labor politicians, indigenous issues, illegal immigrants etc. Prepare your children now to prepare your great grandchildren. The best for the Oz we know is behind us.

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