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Worrals in the wilds 9th Jul 2014 08:45

Cheers, thanks. I was a bit surprised when I went to northern India and discovered just how many refugees there are up there. Tibetans, Nepalese, Ghurkas... the list goes on.

SOPS 9th Jul 2014 08:56

ALPBC along with Twomanydads is (are) now reporting that AS women on Christmas are trying to kill themselves. Is this really true? Opinions please.

Senator Abetz confirms 'minor' self-harm by asylum seekers on Christmas Island - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

bosnich71 9th Jul 2014 09:12

Worrals .... " I believe we should be compassionate to asylum seekers" ... Couldn't agree more. Problem is that a fair majority of Australians don't believe that the present 'boat people' are in fact asylum seekers but more likely country shoppers jumping the immigration queue. The tactics used by illegals are used worldwide, hunger strikes, sewing up of mouths etc. etc. are happening in Europe it is not something just practiced by poor people attempting to enter Australia but who have been thwarted by the "evil Abbott".
What should be asked of the Milne and Sarahas of the world is what happens to the genuine refugees who are still in camps around the world whose places in the immigration queue have been usurped by those who have managed to save a few thousand dollars to get on a boat, many of whom, I would hazard a guess, have already been knocked back whilst attempting the legal route.

Worrals in the wilds 9th Jul 2014 09:41


Problem is that a fair majority of Australians don't believe that the present 'boat people' are in fact asylum seekers but more likely country shoppers jumping the immigration queue.
IM (former :suspect:)E the truth is that they're a bit of a mixture.
Agreed. However, this has been pushed by the right wing media well beyond the reality. The left wing media have pushed the alternative (they're all refs) beyond the reality as well, with little to no rational, factual media middle ground and leaving the rest of us very confused and skeptical.

The debate has become so politically polarised that there is no room left for examining the reality. It's become a circus that even PT Barnum would shy away from. :uhoh:
Sells lots of papers/radio advertising but. :ugh:

Clare Prop 9th Jul 2014 10:32

It's certainly very polarising. But the way some keep saying anyone who doesn't want a free for all for anyone getting here by boat is "lacking compassion" and is "racist" gets so boring and is just their way to try and shut down any debate and lay their claim to the moral high ground, which doesn't exist on this...but does suit their blatent social engineering ideals.

If people really cared or wanted credibility they could go volunteering in the camps and the form an opinion. But the sort of people who do that don't do it for the cameras, they just get on with it. The SHYs of this world wouldn't dream of getting their hands dirty.

The outdated refugee convention is a classic example of a road to hell paved with good intentions and urgently needs to be revised to reflect the world we live in today.

parabellum 9th Jul 2014 10:51

Scott Morrison's office have issued a statement saying that, whilst they don't normally comment on matters concerning the border protection, the story that a female has thrown herself off a building and the story that some women have threatened suicide are not true, no ifs no buts.


You obviously get a very different media up there to us down here Worrals, no right wing effort down here, only SHY and the opposition immigration minister get reported, again and again and again, (for Australian news I watch Ch.9, Sky and SBS World).


This whole recent boats debacle looks very much as though it was engineered by the usual suspects and now that it has gone wrong they will stoop to anything to keep themselves in the news.

Worrals in the wilds 9th Jul 2014 10:57


You obviously get a very different media up there to us down here Worrals, no right wing effort down here
Tune in to talkback radio, or maybe catch the Bolt Report. Otherwise, buy a Qld based Murdoch newspaper and pay good money for reinterpreted LNP press releases, although you can read the orginals on the party website for free. :}
Being a partisan member of a bipartisan family (don't ask about Christmas lunch dicussions :\:eek:) it's apparent that both sides of the debate see the MSM as inherently biassed the other way. This is probably indicative of a true free press; when both sides complain that the press is partisan it's probably fair :cool:. However, reading recent editions of the local Murdoch fish wrapper I have smelled a certain amount of anti-arrival spin, backed up by the editorials. It may not be as obvious as the ratbag spin, but IMO it's there, and far more subtle.

500N 9th Jul 2014 11:01

Worrals

A bit of a mixture ?

Looking at the numbers who get to stay, it seems more country shoppers than True AS's.

IMHO, the left caused this polarisation by allowing the huge surge which shifted the whole country to the right and what we have today.

parabellum 9th Jul 2014 11:06

Worrals - radio permanently tuned to Magic1278am, a sixties and seventies music programme, takes one back to those lovely safe and secure times!:ok:


Can't stand talk back radio, tried to give an earful to John Fain on ABC radio once and the [email protected]$&!%d cut me off! :{

500N 9th Jul 2014 11:12

"However, reading recent editions of the local Murdoch fish wrapper I have smelled a certain amount of anti-arrival spin, backed up by the editorials. It may not be as obvious as the ratbag spin, but IMO it's there, and far more subtle."

Agree.

What do you think Abbott talked about at dinner ??????

Worrals in the wilds 9th Jul 2014 12:04


What do you think Abbott talked about at dinner ??????
Dunno. Might have been outside waving a sign. Depends on which dinner...:E

Can't stand talk back radio, tried to give an earful to John Fain on ABC radio once and the [email protected]$&!%d cut me off! :{
Many years ago I worked for a bloke who lurrved John Laws. Funny really, because he (not John Laws :\) was a bit of a right-wing leftie and was openly gay before it was fashionable. He was a young bloke in Brisbane during the early 1970s when having a 'deviant' lifestyle meant constant harassment/surviellance from Joh's Vice Squad :uhoh:. However, for all that he adored John Laws, and when the time came he would set the worshop radio to maximum volume so we could all hear the voice from the Golden Microphone. I tried sneaking the radio to another station a few times, but after a dial-changing cold war I had to concede defeat.
Probably helped my on my way to leftieism. :}

...takes one back to those lovely safe and secure times!:ok:
The recently revived ROE discourage youtube links, but I think this is still appropriate... Vale Shirl. Complicated times are nothing new; in fact it's more contentious than most bland ol' modern corporate music, and definitely more political. These days, commercial music tends to be very 'proudly sponsored by' :(; you're probably hearing more subversive messages on your oldie station.

bosnich71 9th Jul 2014 12:52

Worrals... I once worked in a hangar where one of my fellow employees had a large old fashioned radio which he used to turn up to full volume so that everyone, even those didn't want to, had to listen to his choice of station.
Midweek wasn't so bad but on a Saturday, when I was usually after a quiet sort of day, he would tune it to a station playing nothing but Yank crooners which really pissed me off...... he usually worked some distance from the set but I always seemed to be adjacent to the thing. A battle ensued, similar to yours, over tuning rights but which I eventually won when I nicked back to the hangar early after lunch, tuned his radio to a Rock & Roll station and then poured a complete tube of super glue into his radio's tuning knob internals. Peaceful times for a number of months until he saved up enough to buy a more up to date model.

Worrals in the wilds 9th Jul 2014 13:06

Nicely done...:ok:
I thought about sabotage, but never quite had the nerve. He was the boss after all... :\

SOPS 9th Jul 2014 14:05

This is starting to get [email protected] ridiculous. The lefties take out high court injunctions to stop the off loading of country shoppers, then they accuse the government of piracy.

Julian Burnside says Government could be guilty of piracy for holding 153 asylum seekers at sea - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

And in other news we have a person living illegally in Europe ( as reported, not something I made up) claiming his family will be wiped out if the are returned to SL. They were however safe in India...and what part of ' leaky boat ride to Australia' does he not understand might have wiped out his family?

I'm sick of the lot of them, and all the hangers on like Twomanydads and co that follow them around.

Father of 3yo asylum seeker fears family will be 'wiped out' if returned to Sri Lanka - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Brian Abraham 9th Jul 2014 15:41

Last nights "Lateline" was interesting. Pliebersek being interviewed and was very constrained and demure. Interesting also that she came out with the evil fate awaiting Sri Lankans who are returned, source Amnesty International she said, which is totally at odds with the UN report mentioned earlier by 500N. Jones was really giving her a going over in an attempt to juice up the immigration policy argument, but she refused to be drawn. Also see Bob Carr is saying,

Asylum seeker mistreatment claims are 'urban mythology'
Asylum seeker mistreatment claims are 'urban mythology', Bob Carr says | World news | theguardian.com

500N 9th Jul 2014 15:48

At the end of the day, I don't believe the left care about the AS, solely because they didn't seem to give a shyte when they drowned. Maybe a one liner of condolence and that was that.

Sorry, but that is the way I see it.

They jump up and down about the boats, boarding, returning them but seem quite indifferent over the 1500 who drowned.

Faux concern.

As for Amnesty International, well, worse than the UN.


Re that link to the UNHCR web site, I was really surprised to read what is on there, I really was - and it was only after reading it that I looked up at the URL to see who had written it and then realised it was the UNHCR itself.

You can't argue with that as the web site is written for all, not like they skew reports say when writing about a Gov't / Country where they have to find something wrong.

500N 9th Jul 2014 18:19

You know that guy who stabbed someone in the shopping centre who
is on a bridging visa ?

Firstly, bail has been requested ! :rolleyes:

Secondly, Morrison is "thinking" of cancelling it :rolleyes:

FFS, thinking, how about jail him, cancel visa and deport when released,
no if's, but's or maybe's !

Ethel the Aardvark 9th Jul 2014 19:54

I have to chuckle when you guys start the "we don't want the poor asylum seekers to drown line". Just admit the fact that you do not want anyone here that you consider will be given a free lunch.
It is their legal choice and risk to come here by boat.
Australia should do the smart thing and process the applications quicker and would be a whole lot cheaper than off shore camps.
Might even lose are international pariah reputation!

500N 9th Jul 2014 19:59

Ethel

"I have to chuckle when you guys start the "we don't want the poor asylum seekers to drown line"."

Sorry, I don't suffer from that problem.

" Australia should do the smart thing and process the applications quicker and would be a whole lot cheaper than off shore camps."

They are, 4 Questions on a boat and see ya later :ok:


"Might even lose are international pariah reputation!"

Who cares, the Gov't doesn't, it won't stp Australia doing
anything it wants in the world.

Saltie 9th Jul 2014 20:31

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Ethel, I'll readily admit that I don 't want anyone coming here for a lifelong free lunch. Particularly when they then insist we change our way of life to accommodate and all of us adopt the way of life they supposedly escaped from before coming here to milk AND ALL TOO OFTEN RORT our welfare system.


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