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bosnich71 5th Jul 2014 07:51

Mr.Ethel ....there are none so blind as those who do not want to see. I would suggest that you open the other eye and have a look at what is going on at the R.C. Don't muddy the waters about Kathy Jackson the R.C. has moved on. It's not just about the HSU ,as you attempt to tell us, but is now bringing out more and more about the ratbags who have been ripping off working people for so many years that the mongrels who run unions now think that it is their right to do so.
And, before you paint me as a right wing whatever, I was a member of a union for most of my working life and at times have also voted for the Labour party in both U.K. and Australia. I may never have worked for Party H.Q. as some do but I do think that the present load of gangsters running both the union movement and the Labour Party are a disgrace to our forefathers who fought for a better deal for the working classes. If you want to continue to blindly follow these parasites then I'm afraid you are as bad as they are.

SOPS 5th Jul 2014 08:23

I would really like to know how far Two Dads is into it. With the boats stopping, her entire reason for being, has basically evaporated. So if she can help conjure up a couple of boat loads, including 'ghost' ones from Indonesia, well all the better for her.

parabellum 5th Jul 2014 08:31

Given the speed with which the various agencies acted and the fact they were able to keep the lid on it suggests to me that the security services are already 'on' to SHY and her gang of libertarians, possibly hearing all their conversations already?






OK, if Ethel isn't John Hill how about Red T Bar? (Not quite nasty and personal enough for Parsnip/Matt Grey and other names).

Worrals in the wilds 5th Jul 2014 09:02


OK, if Ethel isn't John Hill how about Red T Bar? (Not quite nasty and personal enough for Parsnip/Matt Grey and other names).
Jeez that's a blast from the past. :}
Different writing style and not enough cartoons IMO, but that's just MO. :suspect:
Also, with the utmost respect not all the lefties on here are 1. one person or 2. working for the ALP, any more than all the righties are actually one single Liberal Party stooge sitting in the Croesus Club with a Davidoff and glass of port. ;) The many and varied opinions make this a far better political forum than most.

http://www.pierpont.com.au/articles.php
Link provided for any foreign viewers who are wondering about the Croesus Club; damned good read :} even for lefties who can't afford Davidoffs (basic Winfields are a luxury these days:{) and even if they could would have to smoke them outside on the Club veranda (or heaven forbid, on the tennis court) no matter how refeened they are. :sad: Tempers fugit...

Charlie Foxtrot India 5th Jul 2014 09:27

All views are welcome here, but personal attacks on other posters are not.

Red T Bar and co had a very distinctive style, a quote, then a sneering remark, another quote, another sneering personal remark ad nauseam. AFAIK they are gone for good.

Personally I am not a leftie or a rightie and enjoy a robust debate....however IMO Party politics are the same shit with different flies and arguing one side or other has some kind of moral high ground, when they are all snout deep in the same trough, is hilarious

Carry on!

prospector 5th Jul 2014 20:14


Personally I am not a leftie or a rightie and enjoy a robust debate....however IMO Party politics are the same shit with different flies and arguing one side or other has some kind of moral high ground, when they are all snout deep in the same trough, is hilarious
Brilliant, you certainly have them all in the right pidgeon holes.

Takan Inchovit 5th Jul 2014 20:55


when they are all snout deep in the same trough, is hilarious
.. I can put up with a bit of 'snout troughing" as long as the country as a whole benefits and the policies are not sending us down the gurgler. That is something the previous mob could not manage and they had a few years to do it, not just 12 months.

Andu 5th Jul 2014 23:54

A heart-warming article from the Sydney Morning Herald.

Recruits to Syria and Iraq not driven by jihad, Muslim leader says


It is the desire to help people, to rebuild communities and provide support to orphans, children and victims of the fighting in Syria and Iraq that is driving the recruitment of young men from Sydney, according to a senior member of the Muslim community.

Abu Ibrahim said the young men he has spoken to are not motivated by violence, and are genuine in their quest to provide humanitarian assistance, but they just don't realise what they are getting into.

"This is not internet jihad," said Abu Ibrahim. "Their desire is to help, not to go and get trained and come back to do terrible things.They are also motivated by the establishment of an Islamic state. They want to be part of it and migrate to a country that implements Sharia law."

Abu Ibrahim said he has advised the young men to pull back and think things through.

"I tell them there are no benefits, once you are there you are on your own, there is no support.

"People come and talk to me and I listen, I try to educate them. I worry about them I don't want them to get hurt or do stupid things," he said.

"A lot of people want to go and help the refugees in Jordan and Turkey but I warn them that it could end up with your passport cancelled, and then you can't live your life in the way you want.

"You can't travel when you want. Importantly you can't go the Haj (religious pilgrimage)."

The former owner of Al Risalah Bookstore, Wissam Haddad, knows many young men who have had their passports cancelled because the authorities feared they were about to travel to the conflict zones.

"There is nothing sinister about them wanting to provide aid to women and children," he said.

Mr Haddad agreed that some of them are keen to live in a country under Islamic rule because it is an "ideal lifestyle" but it doesn't mean they are supporters of ISIL.

At least three teenagers, including Abdullah Elmir, a 17-year-old from Bankstown, have run away from home recently and are believed to be heading to Syria or Iraq.

Abu Ibrahim has had his passport cancelled and he said he has been threatened by the authorities with a long jail term if he is involved with sending young men to Syria and Iraq.

The experience has left him bitter and angry because he says he has done nothing wrong.

"I am a proud Australian. I grew up here, I went to primary school here and I love this country," he said.

But he said the community is constantly being harassed and pushed towards the point of retaliation.

He said the government needs to slow down a bit and talk to them instead of threatening them.

"What they are doing is creating something in Australia, the most beautiful country in the world, that wasn't there before.

"This is not ISIS. This is also not a terrorist group."

He said his community in Sydney's south is scared "the peace this country has provided us with is being taken away."

He said the new laws proposed by the government were seen as the start of something bigger.

"The next thing we will be putting on wristbands and people will be given the green light to attack us in the street. We are looking at the worst case scenario."

Captain Sand Dune 6th Jul 2014 01:25

Now then, now then, now then!
The majority of posters on this thread lean to the conservative side of politics, hence the threadís overall pro-LNP flavour. Clearly there are others whom conform to other political values who donít like this and in my opinion are attempting to close this thread in a similar fashion as was done with the original thread on Australian politics. The key players use a similar MO to others that have been recently mentioned, which leads me to believe they are one and the same (sorry CFI!). Letís keep this thread going by keeping it Ďabove the beltí and not playing their silly game.
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Interesting article, Andu. Unfortunately if Abu Ibrahim thinks he is assuaging the fears of non-Islamic Australians he is shooting himself in the foot.

They are also motivated by the establishment of an Islamic state. They want to be part of it and migrate to a country that implements Sharia law."
However Iím sure they would want to hang on to their Australian passports Ďjust in caseí in a similar fashion to all those ĎAustraliansí who had to get out of Lebanon a few years ago.

But he said the community is constantly being harassed and pushed towards the point of retaliation.
Oh really? And whom is harassing whom?

7x7 6th Jul 2014 01:30

I wait, with bated breath, for news of the first "Australian citizen" found to be held in a Syrian or Iraqi gaol and that "citizen" demanding consular assistance after he was "kidnapped" by the Syrian or Iraqi authorities "while he was doing humanitarian work for an Islamic charity".

Sharah Hanson-Twotoomanydads and Julian Bythefireside will of course, demand that he brought "home" and that the government drop everything to give the poor "persecuted" individual maximum consular support, right up to breaking off diplomatic relations with the "captor" nation ("or should that be "nayshun"?).

What's really sad is that I can really see this, or something very similar, coming to pass within the year - and the ALPBC will fall in line behind Sarah and Julian giving the "poor man" maximum - and totally sympathetic - coverage..

500N 6th Jul 2014 01:39

I agree, they don't want Aus until they need the Aus Gov't to get them out of the shyte they got themselves into.

BTW, did anyone notice a while ago that the Gov't has said that pulling people O/S out of the poo is not going to be a carte blanche, free service any more as has been provided by the overseas embassies.

It was in an article in one of the newspapers a few months back.

7x7 6th Jul 2014 12:00


For Swiss Muslims, Eid al-Adhal [festival of sacrifice], holds additional significance this year. The third day of the festival coincides with a controversial referendum, which some see as a vote on Islam itself.

Eid al-Adhal Ė a festival when livestock is sacrificed and meat is shared with family, neighbours and the poor Ė traditionally follows the Hajj, when throngs of Muslims make their once in a lifetime pilgrimage to Mecca. In Switzerland, a black cloud hangs over this yearís celebrations, as voters go to the polls to decide whether the country should ban the construction of new minarets (mosque towers originally used by muezzins to call the faithful to prayer).

Switzerland boasts a unique democratic system which provides its citizens unparalleled influence on the laws and government of their country. Proposed constitutional or legal amendments must first be subject to a popular referendum before they can become law. One of the cornerstones of this system is the freedom for citizens (or more often political parties) to propose referenda on any matter of state: all they require for this are 100,000 votersí signatures collected over 18 months.
It will be interesting to see how the vote goes.

And the fact that a direct vote on something like this, giving every citizen the right to be heard, is going ahead probably explains why Australian politicians of all stripes will resist with every fibre in their political bodies any move to allow anything along the lines of the Swiss system to be introduced here in Australia.

500N 6th Jul 2014 12:34

Did I miss something in the media this weekend ?

Apart from the usual bit of commentary and the "Comment: As a young person I never thought I would be ashamed to be Australian." type article, their seemed to be a severe lack of articles where Labor, The Greens (two dads), Asylum Advocates etc were quoted on the Asylum Seekers. I think the last big splash was the UN jumping up and down.

In other words, it has gone very quiet indeed.

Do you think the Gov't might know something and threatened to expose it to the media that caused them to suddenly pull their heads in ?

Because I can't think of anything that would shut Two dads up.

Any thoughts ?

Pinky the pilot 6th Jul 2014 12:42


Do you think the Gov't might know something and threatened to expose it to the media that caused them to suddenly pull their heads in ?

Because I can't think of anything that would shut Two dads up.
Oh I hope so! Guess it`s possible unless of course Two Dads and others of her ilk are `regrouping` for a renewed assault.

I dream of the day when she and her fellow travellers are shown up for what they really are.

SOPS 6th Jul 2014 12:46

Something has made them shut up, that is clear. I mean there are two boat loads of AS that have effectively gone missing. You would think Two Dads would be yelling, but she's not. And it seems, neither is anybody else.

Something is going on.

500N 6th Jul 2014 12:50

That's good, I'm glad I am not the only one that thought that it had gone quiet.

I'd hazard a guess that the Gov't found phone calls linking them to the AS prior to departure s that is one thing that would seriously shut them up.



Pinky
Regroup, yes, I would say that is the case for sure.

Worrals in the wilds 6th Jul 2014 12:55


Abu Ibrahim said he has advised the young men to pull back and think things through.
I think this is sensible advice. Many idealistic young people join organizations like Greenpeace or the Socialist Alternative. Others become members of the Young Liberals, which (IMO) is even more embarrassing :\:}. Either way, many smart young people get enthusiastic about politics and/or ideals which is only natural and mostly, they either go into mainstream politics or grow out of it. However, traveling to a foreign country and getting involved in a civil war is way more intense, and in his own way I think Ibrahim is cautioning against that sort of thing.

Apart from the usual bit of commentary and the "Comment: As a young person I never thought I would be ashamed to be Australian.
I heard that very statement today at the Brisbane anti-budget rally in Queen's Park. I didn't clap, cheer or acknowledge it. I may be a leftie, but I have never been ashamed to be Australian. I just think we have a lousy federal government and I disagree with most of their principles. However, they were democratically elected and TBQH I was pissed off at the comment. Usually I only attend ALP or union events, not the independent rat-bag stuff. I made an exception and attended the rally in Queen''s Park because I vehemently oppose many of the current federal budget proposals wrt health care, welfare and university fees. They had several very good speakers (including Simmo from the ETU and a very well spoken doctor) but comments like the aforementioned just leave me cold. I am never ashamed by other people's decisions that I had no control over.

500N 6th Jul 2014 13:00

Worrals

I like your honesty !

"Brisbane anti-budget rally in Queen's Park"

I just noticed in the Sydney media about the anti budget rally there.

Was it any good ?

Genuine people or the usual "I want a protest rent a crowd" ?

Pinky the pilot 6th Jul 2014 13:15


I just think we have a lousy federal government and I disagree with most of their principles.
Worrals; I`m going to call you on that comment. Given the unholy mess that the previous Labor administration left us with, and the fact that the Libs have to clean up the wreckage ie pay the debt off etc, just what do you think should be done differently to fix the problem?


Are we still friends?:}:D:O

500N 6th Jul 2014 13:22

Pinky

I think it goes something like this.

While Labor is in Gov't, the Rose tinted glasses are worn ............... ;) :O


But agree with your questioning of Worrals statement and am looking forward to the reply. Which at least with Worrals we will get one.


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